The Brewers owner spoke about Braun yesterday - Translation, "right now" they expect him back, they don't trust him to do the right things, the Brewers are pissed and he's "sad" he owes Braun over a 100 million still.
His comments below that Braun is still cooperating and is unable to speak now are nothing more than cover for Braun. It most likely means Braun is doing and cooperating all he can to avoid possible criminal charges or at the very least he knows that criminal charges are on the table down the road. Right now, We will not hear much from the media at this point about Drug charges possibly coming down for some or all these cheating players and the suppliers.
If it goes down that path, trust me, no one will know until the day it happens. For anyone that thinks that criminal charges are off the table in this scandal, they would be 100% wrong and especially for the big fish like Arod and Braun and Bosch and Clinics. Not unlike the MLB players (Keith Hernandez for one) who turned on each other in the Pittsburgh Drug trials. That crimminal investigation went on for 18 months before criminal Indictments came, and no one had any idea until the day it actually happened.
He also let it slip that Braun is not turning on other players, yeah right, why even mention it? Just like his college roommates didn't turn on him. Last month when I wrote that MLB dropped Marco Albir from its BioGen lawsuit, it could have meant only one thing, he turned on Braun and others.
It's was reported yesterday from various media that Marcelo Albir, a former teammate of Braun's at University of Miami, acted as a go-between for the player and Bosch. Albir was listed as one of the defendants in MLB's lawsuit against Biogenesis but was removed in June, a possible indication he began cooperating with the investigation.
Brewers Owner comments:
“There’s a lot of thoughts the last two days,” Attanasio said. “We accepted [Braun’s] apology. He apologized again to me today. I also expressed the need for him to work to redeem himself. It’s going to take some time and take some work.”
While many in the media and many fans have questioned why Braun hasn’t made a more extensive statement or appeared publicly to address the suspension, Attanasio said that may just be a matter of time.
“I think he has to get to the point where he can actually speak about this,” Attanasio said. “Major League Baseball is in the midst of an ongoing investigation. He is now obviously cooperating with baseball. As a result of that, he’s going to wait to speak to the point where he’s able to speak.”
Attanasio said it will be a long road back to credibility for Braun, in part because there is no regimen for doing so.
“This is a unique circumstance,” Attanasio said. “I don’t think there’s a road map for that. But it’s a year and a half from when all this started to now, so this is going to take time. I told Ryan this is going to take time. This is not something that no matter how open, honest, truthful or sincere he is in the next press conference or meeting like this, that is one step. It’s going to take time. The community will know, everyone will know, if he gets over that threshold that he’s gotten over it because the community will be in a position to embrace him again.”
"I'm sad."
While Attanasio expressed his disappointment that Braun drew a season-ending suspension for violating the MLB drug program, he also said he plans to keep him on the team. With some $130 million owed to him and described across the country as a baseball pariah, Braun's trade value could be a moot point.
Attanasio admitted it was tough to have to address the media about this difficult situation but said he felt it necessary to do so. He also indicated that Braun is not able to speak publicly at this point because he is still cooperating with MLB's investigation into the Biogenesis clinic, though not against other players.
Attanasio said it's not a condition of the drug policy for Braun to withhold details but added "because he's cooperating in such a way that he's going to let them conclude or get further into his investigation before he talks. I'm not implying he's speaking against other players. Relative to his own case, he's cooperating with baseball. As a result, even though he's ready to speak to people he's waiting a little while longer so they can get through some of what they are doing in their investigation."
Asked if he knows the details of his drug violation, Attanasio said, "I don't have a full accounting of that because, given what I just said about the investigation, I don't have all the details of what he's going to say or what actually happened."
As for the loss of Braun for the rest of the year, Attanasio said, "Obviously, Ryan was the best player on our team. So, we miss him."
Attanasio said there is no blue print for Braun to repair the damage he has done with all of the denials and lying prior to accepting his suspension and finally admitting guilt.
Attanasio also said he expected Braun to speak publicly -- rather than limit his comments to a prepared statement -- once Major League Baseball has completed an investigation that is expected to result in more than a dozen suspensions for violations of baseball's drug policy. Braun's suspension was the first.
"He's under contract with us," "I know there's been a lot of commentary on that. Right now, the full expectation is to keep him. And the full expectation that he's going to do the right things, he's going to say the right things, and he's going to put in a lot of hard work to get back in folks' good graces.
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Almost all PEDs are legal. Some require a prescription, a lot do not. My impatience with MLB's process stems from this: Baseball establishment, for all intents and purposes, encouraged PED use until Jose Canseco's book. Bud Selig, through his negligence/ineptitude/arrogance/ignorance, deserves much of the blame for the rampant use of PEDs. Use exploded on his watch.Outlaw wrote:I am, Knucklehead. The use of any illegal drugs (PEDS included) without a doctors prescrip has been against the Rules of MLB, it's just the Union refused testing for them up until 10 years ago, which left the drug rules unenforceable by MLB. Many a player over the past 25 years has been caught by the authorities for illegal drug use. Not to mention the use of illegal drugs (PEDS included) without a doctors prescript in this country as far as I know, is still a criminal crime in this country. Your statement is disheartening as it sounds like you condone the use of illegal drugs/PEDS by the players.knuckleheads wrote: PEDs haven't been against the rules in baseball for 25 years. Stick to the facts.
Whiny arguments about what the Union would or wouldn't allow frustrate me as they are disingenuous when out of the mouth of Selig, and they are wishful musings when written on message boards by fans buying into MLB's propaganda. MLB canceled a World Series, so it's safe to say it will act severely over issues it feels strongly about.
It sounds as if MLB hired very qualified investigators in the Biogenisis case, which produced results. However, it is still MLB handling the negotiations with the players and Union, which is why I am so skeptical that real progress will be made to rid the game of PEDs. MLB has proved itself to be inept and has done little inspire confidence it will be more competent any time soon.
Selig is still the point man for the league and just last week on the radio he was trying to claim that the past 20 years should not be known as the steroid era. WTF?!
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Fisher about the deliver some bad news for the NBA and other athletes.
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Brief Statement from Braun today.
I read an article on how his Mom/family is taking the news pretty bad... I feel sorry for his family and to a certain extent even him.... his future and world is going to be so hard... I know he did it do himself, but no one deserves the scrutiny the press will have forever. That's the big issue with the press, bury people, bury them more and keep burying them....
I'll say one thing, He is nowhere near as despicible as AROD...
From Braun: "See Mark (Attanasio's) comments or reference what he said," the statement said. "When I am able to, I will speak.
"I know it was difficult for everybody, but I was not, and still am not, legally allowed to say anything yet."
I read an article on how his Mom/family is taking the news pretty bad... I feel sorry for his family and to a certain extent even him.... his future and world is going to be so hard... I know he did it do himself, but no one deserves the scrutiny the press will have forever. That's the big issue with the press, bury people, bury them more and keep burying them....
I'll say one thing, He is nowhere near as despicible as AROD...
From Braun: "See Mark (Attanasio's) comments or reference what he said," the statement said. "When I am able to, I will speak.
"I know it was difficult for everybody, but I was not, and still am not, legally allowed to say anything yet."
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From Porter Fischer interview:
Major League Baseball sent investigators to his mother's house, pounding on the door and saying they would offer money, according to Fischer's sister, Suzanne. "Outside the Lines" reporters found an MLB investigator's business card at the home that said, "Please call -- We know time = $. Call ASAP."
Eventually, MLB investigators found him and asked for his cooperation, Fischer said. He said he was handed an envelope with $5,000 as a down payment and eventually was given another $500. Fisher said he was reluctant to turn over documents, that he would have to leave the Miami area to start a new life if he cooperated. Eventually, he said, MLB offered him $125,000, a figure confirmed by a source familiar with MLB's investigation, but he turned that down.
"Previously, I had been getting calls from them every day," he said. "Once I turned them down for the $125,000, two days later they wrote me a letter instructing me not to destroy any documents and to keep them around."
On March 24, he said, while transporting the documents, his car was broken into and four of the seven boxes he had were stolen. The Boca Raton Police Department report of the incident states a handgun and a laptop were also stolen. One night, Fischer said, he was chased by three cars until a friend and police intervened. He said someone tried to poison one of his dogs and that several times he found feces on his car.
As Ron Burgundy would say, "you stay classy, MLB."
Major League Baseball sent investigators to his mother's house, pounding on the door and saying they would offer money, according to Fischer's sister, Suzanne. "Outside the Lines" reporters found an MLB investigator's business card at the home that said, "Please call -- We know time = $. Call ASAP."
Eventually, MLB investigators found him and asked for his cooperation, Fischer said. He said he was handed an envelope with $5,000 as a down payment and eventually was given another $500. Fisher said he was reluctant to turn over documents, that he would have to leave the Miami area to start a new life if he cooperated. Eventually, he said, MLB offered him $125,000, a figure confirmed by a source familiar with MLB's investigation, but he turned that down.
"Previously, I had been getting calls from them every day," he said. "Once I turned them down for the $125,000, two days later they wrote me a letter instructing me not to destroy any documents and to keep them around."
On March 24, he said, while transporting the documents, his car was broken into and four of the seven boxes he had were stolen. The Boca Raton Police Department report of the incident states a handgun and a laptop were also stolen. One night, Fischer said, he was chased by three cars until a friend and police intervened. He said someone tried to poison one of his dogs and that several times he found feces on his car.
As Ron Burgundy would say, "you stay classy, MLB."
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"That's the big issue with the press, bury people, bury them more and keep burying them...."
this isnt always the case. it obviously has depended on the narrative they are looking to push. some get hounded unfairly and some get a pass. thats what sucks about this "press" if you can even call them that anymore.
my team is in big trouble so i need some major carnage to have a chance this season... so let the heads start to roll!
this isnt always the case. it obviously has depended on the narrative they are looking to push. some get hounded unfairly and some get a pass. thats what sucks about this "press" if you can even call them that anymore.
my team is in big trouble so i need some major carnage to have a chance this season... so let the heads start to roll!
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Swamp lol - thats an interesting perspective... I Hadnt thought that, with the possibility of a decent amount of players getting suspended, it could bring back some teams from the dead... gotta figure most of the suspensions will be 50 games and thats roughly 1/3 the fantasy season...plus the FAAB pools are pretty well picked clean...swampass wrote:"That's the big issue with the press, bury people, bury them more and keep burying them...."
this isnt always the case. it obviously has depended on the narrative they are looking to push. some get hounded unfairly and some get a pass. thats what sucks about this "press" if you can even call them that anymore.
my team is in big trouble so i need some major carnage to have a chance this season... so let the heads start to roll!
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If what Fischer says is true, and most of it has been confirmed the past few months by different sources, This is why this story always had more legs and why Fischer is trying to say he wanted to expose it. As MLB investigated, they kept finding more and more. I learned about possible Miami Heat players being involved 4 months ago. I knew about college players, but not the HS kids and that makes it even more disturbing. Like I have been saying for months, There is no doubt the FEDS are involved and that's from people I know. There are other clinics too and they are all/were using mostly the same suppliers/sources of PEDS. Also it was confirmed that MLB had been investigating this clinic and other clinics as far back as 2008/09. It now makes sense why MLB and the Union have revised the JDA 3 times in the past 5 years, they were working together, probably hoping to stay ahead of the curve and this type of scandal coming out.
These young kids do this PED stuff because they see the Big Pro name guys doing it and view it as helping them possibly get to Pro Sports and the money. The Pros do it, to make more money and the glory of being at the top of thier sport. As someone said today, look at all the major power hitters the past 20 years, a majority were PED users.
I'll say one thing, I would not want to be one of the other major sports that have just ignored this problem. If they think Congress and the FEDS broke MLB balls over the past 10 years, they have no idea what's coming thier way. They had better get with the program, especially the NFL.....
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There are “at least 100, possibly more” athletes — including 16- and 17-year-old high school players — who were clients of Biogenesis, the now-defunct Coral Gables wellness clinic at the center of one of the biggest scandals in Major League Baseball history, the whistleblower who exposed the clinic told the Miami Herald on Thursday.
It is the first time high school athletes have been mentioned as clients of the clinic, which was operated by Anthony Bosch, a phony doctor who is now cooperating with MLB in its probe to identify professional players involved in doping.
Porter Fischer, a former Biogenesis employee, investor and client, said that besides pro baseball, basketball, boxing and soccer athletes — collegiate ball players, as well as local police officers, lawyers and at least one judge — are among those who spent thousands of dollars a month at the clinic, which operated out of a storefront across the street from the University of Miami.
Fischer has not made any names public, but said at least a dozen student names are listed in the clinic’s records for 2011 alone — largely baseball players from St. Brendans, Gulliver, Columbus and South Miami high schools, he said.
“This was never about professional ballplayers, or stars — this was about criminal activity and injecting underage athletes,” said Fischer, who contacted the Florida Department of Health after he had a falling-out with Bosch over money earlier this year.
Fischer said a state health investigator opened an inquiry and confirmed through interviews with others at the clinic that Bosch was injecting minors with steroid “concoctions.” Yet the investigation went nowhere.
“I just don’t understand that — you mean if I was in my garage, giving out tummy tucks, the department of health would just look the other way?”
Fischer, who was interviewed Thursday on ESPN’s Outside the Lines, said he has lived in fear since he first exposed the illegal activity at the clinic to the Miami New Times in January. He has been followed, his car has been broken into and his life has been threatened, he said. He lives in hiding and carries a gun.
“I don’t know why law enforcement hasn’t gotten involved to be honest,” said Fischer’s lawyer, Raymond Rafool. “We really can’t figure it out. Porter is very upset. You’re talking about high school kids getting this stuff from this clinic. For kids who haven’t even given their bodies the opportunity to grow to be doing this was really disturbing to him.”
Rafool, a former prosecutor, said that is hogwash. But Fischer says the story is bigger than baseball.
And his motives, he insisted, are not about the money, but about justice.
“It’s almost scary to think about how many people have gone through [Bosch’s treatments] and how long he’s gotten away with this,” Fischer said.
These young kids do this PED stuff because they see the Big Pro name guys doing it and view it as helping them possibly get to Pro Sports and the money. The Pros do it, to make more money and the glory of being at the top of thier sport. As someone said today, look at all the major power hitters the past 20 years, a majority were PED users.
I'll say one thing, I would not want to be one of the other major sports that have just ignored this problem. If they think Congress and the FEDS broke MLB balls over the past 10 years, they have no idea what's coming thier way. They had better get with the program, especially the NFL.....
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There are “at least 100, possibly more” athletes — including 16- and 17-year-old high school players — who were clients of Biogenesis, the now-defunct Coral Gables wellness clinic at the center of one of the biggest scandals in Major League Baseball history, the whistleblower who exposed the clinic told the Miami Herald on Thursday.
It is the first time high school athletes have been mentioned as clients of the clinic, which was operated by Anthony Bosch, a phony doctor who is now cooperating with MLB in its probe to identify professional players involved in doping.
Porter Fischer, a former Biogenesis employee, investor and client, said that besides pro baseball, basketball, boxing and soccer athletes — collegiate ball players, as well as local police officers, lawyers and at least one judge — are among those who spent thousands of dollars a month at the clinic, which operated out of a storefront across the street from the University of Miami.
Fischer has not made any names public, but said at least a dozen student names are listed in the clinic’s records for 2011 alone — largely baseball players from St. Brendans, Gulliver, Columbus and South Miami high schools, he said.
“This was never about professional ballplayers, or stars — this was about criminal activity and injecting underage athletes,” said Fischer, who contacted the Florida Department of Health after he had a falling-out with Bosch over money earlier this year.
Fischer said a state health investigator opened an inquiry and confirmed through interviews with others at the clinic that Bosch was injecting minors with steroid “concoctions.” Yet the investigation went nowhere.
“I just don’t understand that — you mean if I was in my garage, giving out tummy tucks, the department of health would just look the other way?”
Fischer, who was interviewed Thursday on ESPN’s Outside the Lines, said he has lived in fear since he first exposed the illegal activity at the clinic to the Miami New Times in January. He has been followed, his car has been broken into and his life has been threatened, he said. He lives in hiding and carries a gun.
“I don’t know why law enforcement hasn’t gotten involved to be honest,” said Fischer’s lawyer, Raymond Rafool. “We really can’t figure it out. Porter is very upset. You’re talking about high school kids getting this stuff from this clinic. For kids who haven’t even given their bodies the opportunity to grow to be doing this was really disturbing to him.”
Rafool, a former prosecutor, said that is hogwash. But Fischer says the story is bigger than baseball.
And his motives, he insisted, are not about the money, but about justice.
“It’s almost scary to think about how many people have gone through [Bosch’s treatments] and how long he’s gotten away with this,” Fischer said.
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Outlaw, before you start glorifying Fischer's efforts like you do MLB's, I am going to point out that Fischer invested $4,000 in BioGenesis with Bosch's promise that Fischer would receive $4,800 in return. Bosch made one payment to Fischer (I believe for $1,000 or $1,500) then told Fischer no additional money would be coming. According to Fischer, Bosch told him, "I'm Dr. Tony Bosch, what are you going to do about it?" So Fischer said to Outside the Lines, "This is what I did about it."Outlaw wrote:If what Fischer says is true, and most of it has been confirmed the past few months by different sources, This is why this story always had more legs and why Fischer is trying to say he wanted to expose it...
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“I don’t know why law enforcement hasn’t gotten involved to be honest,” said Fischer’s lawyer, Raymond Rafool. “We really can’t figure it out. Porter is very upset. You’re talking about high school kids getting this stuff from this clinic. For kids who haven’t even given their bodies the opportunity to grow to be doing this was really disturbing to him.”
Rafool, a former prosecutor, said that is hogwash. But Fischer says the story is bigger than baseball.
And his motives, he insisted, are not about the money, but about justice.
“It’s almost scary to think about how many people have gone through [Bosch’s treatments] and how long he’s gotten away with this,” Fischer said.
So, by his own words, Fischer is no saint. He is a petulant investor throwing a temper tantrum. He knowingly invested in a company that sold PEDs to kids, then outed the company when his investment didn't work out, claiming false indignation.
If Fischer thought it was so bad, why did he invest? You want someone to despise, he's five different kinds of scum.
1) Invested in BioGenesis, knowing what they were doing.
2) Stole records from his former employer.
3) Likely intended to use those records as leverage/blackmail/retribution.
4) Hypocritically accuses Bosch of selling PEDs to high schoolers when Fischer himself invested in Bosch's company knowing what Bosch was doing.
5) Is now trying to gain publicity for his shameful acts.
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Sorry to burst your bubble Knucklehead, I'm not glorifying any of these low lifes, inlcuding the the cheating players. I fully support MLB's efforts 100% in trying to clean up the game, again, like a majority of people and clean players do. Did I not say if the facts are true, they are disturbing.knuckleheads wrote: Outlaw, before you start glorifying Fischer's efforts like you do MLB's
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A story at the bottom on some kids and their parents as to why this does matter, and this is just not a minor story. Good for the parents too who do teach their kids right and wrong. For the parents who approve or condone thier kids using PEDS (Many experts agree that over 1.5 million students - as much as 6% of all U.S. high school and middle school students - have admitted to knowingly using anabolic steroids) shame on them.
High School kids using Anabolic Steroids (PEDS)
1993 - 1 In 45 - Canseco/McGwire Era
1997 - 1 In 27 - Sosa/McGwire Era
2001 - 1 In 21 - Manny/Bonds/Arod/Sosa Era
Today - 1 In 16 - Braun/Arod ERA
The disgusting and disheartening apsects of this scandal just keep coming... These are the types of characters all the possible involved MLB players were dealing with... To all those that wish to or have defended these MLB players involved, you should reconsider. I'm not going to say the MLB players had anything directly to do with the potential kids involved, but indirectly, absolutely. They were the ones that were paying the clinics 10x more for the same product, that allowed these operations to financially exist. Without the big athlete money, these clinics wouldn't be getting away with what they were doing. As I have pointed out for months, MLB has gained the cooperation of close to 50 other people connected to this mess through subpoena and cooperative testimony. It's amazing that OTL (ESPN) who is a major partner with MLB, has been so diligent in thier pursuit of this Scandal. The separate University of Miami investigation also continues into the involvement of their staff over the past 10 years with these clinics and PEDS suppliers.
Colazzo isn't even a named defendant in the MLB lawsuit and it appears he will now be forced to cooperate. And it is a crime of perjury to lie in a civil suit too. From what I have seen the rest of the named defendants have all testified/cooperated, although 3 still have not been dismissed from the case and one is Tony B.
I'm hearing Tony B is possibly now singing like a bird to not just MLB. I would not be surprised if MLB turns over everything they have to the FEDS when they are done with their baseball aspect of it and suspensions.
Bosch, his partners, the drug suppliers, other clinics and any others knowingly involved with this scandal, including the Pro athletes are despicable, lying, cheat, money hungry people. The other thing that is despicable is some or even all the pro athletes, using their family members, advisors, "friends", ex- roommates to do their dirty work for them.
Jimmy Goins lawsuit against U of M and others is going nowhere fast as most have filed petitions for dismissal.) shame on you!
PN 01 GOINS, JAMES
DN 01 BIOGENESIS OF AMERICA (LLC)
DN 02 BOSCH, ANTHONY P
DN 03 BOSCH, PEDRO (DR)
DN 04 MIAMI NEW TIMES (LLC)
DN 05 MIAMI HERALD MEDIA CO
DN 06 UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI
DN 07 NEW YORK TIMES CO
07/17/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/16/2013
NOTICE OF APPEARANCE ATTORNEY: 00224472 DN03
07/16/2013
MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME
07/15/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/12/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/09/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- The clinic operator at the heart of a Major League Baseball investigation provided performance-enhancing drugs to numerous high school students, according to former associates of Tony Bosch and documents obtained by "Outside the Lines."
One former Biogenesis of America employee, Porter Fischer, told "Outside the Lines" he regularly saw 16- and 17-year-old boys come to the clinic, sometimes with their fathers.
Asked what high school athletes were given, Fischer said: "Sports performance packages, which would include HGH, testosterone."
"Outside the Lines" obtained Biogenesis documents in February, and they include the names of 10 Miami-area high school baseball players and dollar amounts next to their names.
One former Biogenesis employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said such packages for young athletes generally relied on HGH and Sermorelin, a drug that stimulates growth hormone release in the body. Packages usually included little or no testosterone because the drug is generally considered not to be useful for performance enhancement in young athletes with naturally high levels.
The source said the young athletes regularly were injected with HGH and other prescription drugs in the Biogenesis office. Bosch is not a licensed physician, and HGH, testosterone and other hormones are not legally approved for use as performance enhancers.
"Outside the Lines" reporters who observed the clinic when it was open frequently saw athletic young men, sometimes with people who looked like their parents, entering and leaving the clinic.
Bosch, who has presented himself as a doctor for years, has been cooperating with Major League Baseball for more than a month, providing information on PED use by 20 to 25 major and minor league players. Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun has accepted a 65-game suspension for his connection to the clinic, and other players, notably Alex Rodriguez, are expected to receive suspensions within the next week or two.
Fischer told "Outside the Lines" that he and associates have identified as Biogenesis clients athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been named.
So far, Bosch, who could not be reached for comment, has not faced criminal charges. He was briefly investigated by the Florida Department of Health this year and received a $5,000 fine. Department of Health officials refused to comment on their investigation.
Two high school players listed in the documents are the sons of Lazaro Collazo, a longtime college pitching coach who worked at the University of Miami. Collazo is also listed in documents with the names of others identified by former Biogenesis employees as couriers for Bosch. Fischer and the other former Biogenesis employee said Collazo brought his sons and other minors to the clinic for treatment.
Reached by "Outside the Lines," Collazo several weeks ago said he never received PEDs from Bosch and that he does not know why his and his sons' names would be in Biogenesis records. He could not be reached for comment Friday.
"I just don't know," he said. "Look, I'm being polite, but you keep asking me things I don't know about. I never got anything from Tony Bosch."
Collazo has been a fixture, although controversial, for decades in the South Florida high school and amateur baseball community. He was the pitching coach at Miami for 17 years before resigning in 2003 in the wake of an NCAA investigation of the baseball program. The focus was on a private sports academy Collazo ran, with allegations that Miami players worked at the camp.
He resigned from a high school coaching job at Gulliver Prep in 2005 after he dropped his pants in the locker room following a loss. According to a Coral Gables police report, Collazo "pointed to his penis, testicles and asked the team if they had a set of these or were they equipped with a vagina."
Collazo, who later coached at the University of Louisville and the University of South Florida, is slated to give a deposition next month as a witness in the MLB case filed in March against Bosch and others. His attorney tried to block the deposition, but a Florida circuit court judge has ruled MLB can depose him.
Parents of other high school students listed in records did not return messages or denied having contact with Bosch.
Two other people identified in the records are Yuri Sucart and his son, cousins of Alex Rodriguez. The elder Sucart was identified as the relative who Rodriguez said had helped him acquire steroids more than 10 years ago when he went to the Texas Rangers.
The younger Sucart, a promising high school player, is listed as a client; his father, identified by numerous Bosch associates as regularly visiting the clinic, is listed along with Collazo as a courier.
"[Some] of the time I would see some come in by themselves, but most of the time, their parents," he said. "But still, if a 16-year-old person can't tan without their parents' permission, I don't know how in the world it's possible that somebody can get this stuff.
"What kind of parent wants their child taking this kind of stuff?"
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The video is pretty cool of the little players... they got a nice field right outside Miller Park.
http://www.wisn.com/sports/parents-kids ... index.html
Parents, kids can learn strong lessons from Braun suspension
Fans of Braun learn tough lesson about poor choices
MILWAUKEE —In the wake of Ryan Braun's suspension from Major League Baseball, some parents are left wondering what to tell their children about it.
After several years of denying his involvement with performance-enhancing drugs, Braun accepted a suspension Monday and issued an apology to his fans and teammates.
While he did not admit publicly to using drugs, parents WISN 12 News spoke to Tuesday said they're using it as a teaching moment.
"I think that's too bad," said Jan Kopp, whose son played Little League in the shadows of Miller Park Tuesday. "These guys look up to all these ball players and they're taking these performance-enhancing drugs and it doesn't set a good example for them."
While the kids played under a Ryan Braun banner at Helfaer Field, Kopp said it falls on the parents to ensure their kids know about the power of choices.
"I think you just set the example as parents and teach them what's right and what's wrong and tell them that people make bad choices," Kopp said.
Jodi Rinzel said she is waiting for a much larger apology from Braun.
"I think, based on how he reacted initially and now coming out and basically turning around completely on that, it's disappointing," she said.
Rinzel's son, Evan, is a big fan of Braun, but believes that he did wrong.
"I don't think he should've done that because now he can't play baseball, his favorite sport," Evan said.
Jodi Rinzel said she watched the news together with her son.
"He actually was with me when he saw it on the news the other day," she said. "His response to me was: 'Mom, you know the thing is you just can't cheat. You got to play it right.'"
Trevor Collicott said going to Brewers games will be different now, and he's not sure what to do with his Braun jersey.
"Probably throw it in the fireplace or just keep it," he said. "I don't know."
High School kids using Anabolic Steroids (PEDS)
1993 - 1 In 45 - Canseco/McGwire Era
1997 - 1 In 27 - Sosa/McGwire Era
2001 - 1 In 21 - Manny/Bonds/Arod/Sosa Era
Today - 1 In 16 - Braun/Arod ERA
The disgusting and disheartening apsects of this scandal just keep coming... These are the types of characters all the possible involved MLB players were dealing with... To all those that wish to or have defended these MLB players involved, you should reconsider. I'm not going to say the MLB players had anything directly to do with the potential kids involved, but indirectly, absolutely. They were the ones that were paying the clinics 10x more for the same product, that allowed these operations to financially exist. Without the big athlete money, these clinics wouldn't be getting away with what they were doing. As I have pointed out for months, MLB has gained the cooperation of close to 50 other people connected to this mess through subpoena and cooperative testimony. It's amazing that OTL (ESPN) who is a major partner with MLB, has been so diligent in thier pursuit of this Scandal. The separate University of Miami investigation also continues into the involvement of their staff over the past 10 years with these clinics and PEDS suppliers.
Colazzo isn't even a named defendant in the MLB lawsuit and it appears he will now be forced to cooperate. And it is a crime of perjury to lie in a civil suit too. From what I have seen the rest of the named defendants have all testified/cooperated, although 3 still have not been dismissed from the case and one is Tony B.
I'm hearing Tony B is possibly now singing like a bird to not just MLB. I would not be surprised if MLB turns over everything they have to the FEDS when they are done with their baseball aspect of it and suspensions.
Bosch, his partners, the drug suppliers, other clinics and any others knowingly involved with this scandal, including the Pro athletes are despicable, lying, cheat, money hungry people. The other thing that is despicable is some or even all the pro athletes, using their family members, advisors, "friends", ex- roommates to do their dirty work for them.
Jimmy Goins lawsuit against U of M and others is going nowhere fast as most have filed petitions for dismissal.) shame on you!
PN 01 GOINS, JAMES
DN 01 BIOGENESIS OF AMERICA (LLC)
DN 02 BOSCH, ANTHONY P
DN 03 BOSCH, PEDRO (DR)
DN 04 MIAMI NEW TIMES (LLC)
DN 05 MIAMI HERALD MEDIA CO
DN 06 UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI
DN 07 NEW YORK TIMES CO
07/17/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/16/2013
NOTICE OF APPEARANCE ATTORNEY: 00224472 DN03
07/16/2013
MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME
07/15/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/12/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
07/09/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- The clinic operator at the heart of a Major League Baseball investigation provided performance-enhancing drugs to numerous high school students, according to former associates of Tony Bosch and documents obtained by "Outside the Lines."
One former Biogenesis of America employee, Porter Fischer, told "Outside the Lines" he regularly saw 16- and 17-year-old boys come to the clinic, sometimes with their fathers.
Asked what high school athletes were given, Fischer said: "Sports performance packages, which would include HGH, testosterone."
"Outside the Lines" obtained Biogenesis documents in February, and they include the names of 10 Miami-area high school baseball players and dollar amounts next to their names.
One former Biogenesis employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said such packages for young athletes generally relied on HGH and Sermorelin, a drug that stimulates growth hormone release in the body. Packages usually included little or no testosterone because the drug is generally considered not to be useful for performance enhancement in young athletes with naturally high levels.
The source said the young athletes regularly were injected with HGH and other prescription drugs in the Biogenesis office. Bosch is not a licensed physician, and HGH, testosterone and other hormones are not legally approved for use as performance enhancers.
"Outside the Lines" reporters who observed the clinic when it was open frequently saw athletic young men, sometimes with people who looked like their parents, entering and leaving the clinic.
Bosch, who has presented himself as a doctor for years, has been cooperating with Major League Baseball for more than a month, providing information on PED use by 20 to 25 major and minor league players. Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun has accepted a 65-game suspension for his connection to the clinic, and other players, notably Alex Rodriguez, are expected to receive suspensions within the next week or two.
Fischer told "Outside the Lines" that he and associates have identified as Biogenesis clients athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been named.
So far, Bosch, who could not be reached for comment, has not faced criminal charges. He was briefly investigated by the Florida Department of Health this year and received a $5,000 fine. Department of Health officials refused to comment on their investigation.
Two high school players listed in the documents are the sons of Lazaro Collazo, a longtime college pitching coach who worked at the University of Miami. Collazo is also listed in documents with the names of others identified by former Biogenesis employees as couriers for Bosch. Fischer and the other former Biogenesis employee said Collazo brought his sons and other minors to the clinic for treatment.
Reached by "Outside the Lines," Collazo several weeks ago said he never received PEDs from Bosch and that he does not know why his and his sons' names would be in Biogenesis records. He could not be reached for comment Friday.
"I just don't know," he said. "Look, I'm being polite, but you keep asking me things I don't know about. I never got anything from Tony Bosch."
Collazo has been a fixture, although controversial, for decades in the South Florida high school and amateur baseball community. He was the pitching coach at Miami for 17 years before resigning in 2003 in the wake of an NCAA investigation of the baseball program. The focus was on a private sports academy Collazo ran, with allegations that Miami players worked at the camp.
He resigned from a high school coaching job at Gulliver Prep in 2005 after he dropped his pants in the locker room following a loss. According to a Coral Gables police report, Collazo "pointed to his penis, testicles and asked the team if they had a set of these or were they equipped with a vagina."
Collazo, who later coached at the University of Louisville and the University of South Florida, is slated to give a deposition next month as a witness in the MLB case filed in March against Bosch and others. His attorney tried to block the deposition, but a Florida circuit court judge has ruled MLB can depose him.
Parents of other high school students listed in records did not return messages or denied having contact with Bosch.
Two other people identified in the records are Yuri Sucart and his son, cousins of Alex Rodriguez. The elder Sucart was identified as the relative who Rodriguez said had helped him acquire steroids more than 10 years ago when he went to the Texas Rangers.
The younger Sucart, a promising high school player, is listed as a client; his father, identified by numerous Bosch associates as regularly visiting the clinic, is listed along with Collazo as a courier.
"[Some] of the time I would see some come in by themselves, but most of the time, their parents," he said. "But still, if a 16-year-old person can't tan without their parents' permission, I don't know how in the world it's possible that somebody can get this stuff.
"What kind of parent wants their child taking this kind of stuff?"
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The video is pretty cool of the little players... they got a nice field right outside Miller Park.
http://www.wisn.com/sports/parents-kids ... index.html
Parents, kids can learn strong lessons from Braun suspension
Fans of Braun learn tough lesson about poor choices
MILWAUKEE —In the wake of Ryan Braun's suspension from Major League Baseball, some parents are left wondering what to tell their children about it.
After several years of denying his involvement with performance-enhancing drugs, Braun accepted a suspension Monday and issued an apology to his fans and teammates.
While he did not admit publicly to using drugs, parents WISN 12 News spoke to Tuesday said they're using it as a teaching moment.
"I think that's too bad," said Jan Kopp, whose son played Little League in the shadows of Miller Park Tuesday. "These guys look up to all these ball players and they're taking these performance-enhancing drugs and it doesn't set a good example for them."
While the kids played under a Ryan Braun banner at Helfaer Field, Kopp said it falls on the parents to ensure their kids know about the power of choices.
"I think you just set the example as parents and teach them what's right and what's wrong and tell them that people make bad choices," Kopp said.
Jodi Rinzel said she is waiting for a much larger apology from Braun.
"I think, based on how he reacted initially and now coming out and basically turning around completely on that, it's disappointing," she said.
Rinzel's son, Evan, is a big fan of Braun, but believes that he did wrong.
"I don't think he should've done that because now he can't play baseball, his favorite sport," Evan said.
Jodi Rinzel said she watched the news together with her son.
"He actually was with me when he saw it on the news the other day," she said. "His response to me was: 'Mom, you know the thing is you just can't cheat. You got to play it right.'"
Trevor Collicott said going to Brewers games will be different now, and he's not sure what to do with his Braun jersey.
"Probably throw it in the fireplace or just keep it," he said. "I don't know."
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"Trevor Collicott said going to Brewers games will be different now, and he's not sure what to do with his Braun jersey.
"Probably throw it in the fireplace or just keep it," he said. "I don't know."
what i know is that braun jerseys are selling well right now.. so tom dont throw yours away.. sell it!
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... y/related/
its sad when aaron hernandez does what he does and braun does what he does and there are weirdos/sickos out there that NOW want their jerseys. man.. what is happening?
"Probably throw it in the fireplace or just keep it," he said. "I don't know."
what i know is that braun jerseys are selling well right now.. so tom dont throw yours away.. sell it!
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... y/related/
its sad when aaron hernandez does what he does and braun does what he does and there are weirdos/sickos out there that NOW want their jerseys. man.. what is happening?
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I saw that Braun stuff was still selling pretty good... cant compare Braun to Hernandez though... but still, it makes us wonder why people would support guys likes this, at least until they prove they have changed.. Braun at least has a good chance to rebuild his career and perception...swampass wrote:"Trevor Collicott said going to Brewers games will be different now, and he's not sure what to do with his Braun jersey.
"Probably throw it in the fireplace or just keep it," he said. "I don't know."
what i know is that braun jerseys are selling well right now.. so tom dont throw yours away.. sell it!
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... y/related/
its sad when aaron hernandez does what he does and braun does what he does and there are weirdos/sickos out there that NOW want their jerseys. man.. what is happening?
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Majority of suspensions to probably come this week, as early as tomorrow. Most will not be appealing and most will be 50 games. Arod is talking to MLB to limit his, he's gone for this year and the question remains does he get all of 2014, 1/2 next year or lifetime. I think He'll get 1/2 next year. MLB wants to move on. Hearing Gio Gonzalez may possibly be going down.
Also Braun had no confidentiality agreement with MLB to keep quite. He is doing so on his own and its not a stretch as to why.
For those that scoffed at the idea of voiding contracts, it's going to happen for all new contracts moving forward starting in 2014. Get caught using PEDS, contract will be voided at clubs discretion. Also a 100 game for first time and lifetime for 2nd time may also happen.
I find it odd Puljos went on the DL and they are talking surgery now. The other day, he was saying he was going to play the whole year like he was, battling that injury.
REV up the FAAB engines if you got any money left.
Also Braun had no confidentiality agreement with MLB to keep quite. He is doing so on his own and its not a stretch as to why.
For those that scoffed at the idea of voiding contracts, it's going to happen for all new contracts moving forward starting in 2014. Get caught using PEDS, contract will be voided at clubs discretion. Also a 100 game for first time and lifetime for 2nd time may also happen.
I find it odd Puljos went on the DL and they are talking surgery now. The other day, he was saying he was going to play the whole year like he was, battling that injury.
REV up the FAAB engines if you got any money left.
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This is from an SI Cover story in 2009. As a fan of the game, I remember reading it back then and hoping/wishing that it was true, which it might still be...............but I'm having my doubtsOutlaw wrote:Majority of suspensions to probably come this week, as early as tomorrow..............
.............I find it odd Puljos went on the DL and they are talking surgery now. The other day, he was saying he was going to play the whole year like he was, battling that injury.
But this is not a great time to be the best anything in baseball. Barry Bonds was the best player, and now he is facing federal perjury charges. Roger Clemens was the best pitcher, and every other day another newspaper story takes him down one more notch. Mark McGwire was the best home run hitter, and after telling Congress that he did not want to talk about the past, he has all but disappeared into a Pynchon-like seclusion. Alex Rodriguez was the best player, and now he tentatively admits guilt while A-ROID! headlines splash and fans heckle and a hip injury shuts him down.
"We're in this era where people want to judge other people," Pujols says. "And that's so sad." He would like to leave it with those three words—that's so sad—but then people might wonder.
So he continues: "But it's like I always say, 'Come and test me. Come and do whatever you want.' Because you know what? There is something more important to me—my relationship with Jesus Christ and caring about others. More than this baseball. This baseball is nothing to me."
Here is a link to the full article.... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm
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Players who have been previously suspended will be suspended immediatley if they are found to have used before or after that previous failed test, regardless of whether they appeal, although they may not be for the 100 games called for.
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It appears Arod gets to pick from a Lifetime ban if he wants to appeal or the rest of this year and all next year with no appeal. His lead Attorney, David Cornwell is running for the hills it seems too, after the Braun suspension and the way Arod conuducted himself the past week with the Yankees. Seems MLB has hundreds of email, phone, text, payment records detailing his use of PEDS in 10, 11, and 2012.
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No wonder the Pro sports world is a cesspool at times, with clowns like Boras involved. He's right on one thing about the Feds being involved, whether he knows if they are or not. They've been watching BioGen and other clinics for years also and one has to wonder just how much they did. Seems MLB is doing a better job. I'm sure MLB will be turning everything over, if they have'nt done so already. They want the Feds to get the actual drug suppliers....
Months ago I wrote there would be no immunity for anyone, other than a good word for any cooperation, which does mean something, if it's full cooperation.
Message to Boras, Don't just blame the suppliers and sellers of the drugs, they already are dirtbags and crimminals, But Blame the cheating players also. The same cheaters who you help glorify thier perfomance and numbers to attain even richer contracts. At the end of the Day, who pays for all this, us the fans. No fans, No game, No money. I get sports is but a small microcosim of society, but it does mean something for a lot of fans and kids who like to play sports.
Scott Boras, Rodriguez’s former agent, told FOXSports.com that baseball, by cutting a deal with Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch, is providing motivation for others to distribute performance-enhancing drugs without fear of reprisal.
Bosch, according to ESPN, agreed to cooperate with baseball only after receiving assurances that the sport would drop a lawsuit against him, indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation, provide personal security and offer assistance with any law-enforcement agents that might bring charges against him.
“To preserve the integrity of the game we need to assure that drug dealers and the devious creators of future Biogenesis-like schemes are prosecuted,” Boras said.
“If drug dealers can use the currency of player evidence as a means to gain immunity and even more money, then our system of policing and protecting baseball has incentivized the people and the very behavior that was the genesis of the problem.”
Rob Manfred, an executive vice-president for baseball, said that only state and federal prosecutors can grant immunity, and that baseball has no such power.
“Mr. Boras’ comments make no sense,” Manfred said. “We have no control over who gets immunity. Our job is to attempt to determine whether players use performance-enhancing drugs. And we use every means available to us in order to do that job."
Boras, though, said that he was talking about immunity “to the extent that baseball can offer.” He made it clear that he does not object to enforcement of the Joint Drug agreement or the discipline of players who break the rules. But he said that baseball should assist the government by providing evidence that it collected from Bosch and other aspects of its investigation.
The counter-argument, of course, is that baseball needed to give Bosch such assurances to secure his cooperation. Boras, however, raises a valid concern: What would discourage the next Bosch from selling PEDs, then cutting a deal with baseball in exchange for information about the players who were his customers?
Months ago I wrote there would be no immunity for anyone, other than a good word for any cooperation, which does mean something, if it's full cooperation.
Message to Boras, Don't just blame the suppliers and sellers of the drugs, they already are dirtbags and crimminals, But Blame the cheating players also. The same cheaters who you help glorify thier perfomance and numbers to attain even richer contracts. At the end of the Day, who pays for all this, us the fans. No fans, No game, No money. I get sports is but a small microcosim of society, but it does mean something for a lot of fans and kids who like to play sports.
Scott Boras, Rodriguez’s former agent, told FOXSports.com that baseball, by cutting a deal with Biogenesis founder Anthony Bosch, is providing motivation for others to distribute performance-enhancing drugs without fear of reprisal.
Bosch, according to ESPN, agreed to cooperate with baseball only after receiving assurances that the sport would drop a lawsuit against him, indemnify him for any liability arising from his cooperation, provide personal security and offer assistance with any law-enforcement agents that might bring charges against him.
“To preserve the integrity of the game we need to assure that drug dealers and the devious creators of future Biogenesis-like schemes are prosecuted,” Boras said.
“If drug dealers can use the currency of player evidence as a means to gain immunity and even more money, then our system of policing and protecting baseball has incentivized the people and the very behavior that was the genesis of the problem.”
Rob Manfred, an executive vice-president for baseball, said that only state and federal prosecutors can grant immunity, and that baseball has no such power.
“Mr. Boras’ comments make no sense,” Manfred said. “We have no control over who gets immunity. Our job is to attempt to determine whether players use performance-enhancing drugs. And we use every means available to us in order to do that job."
Boras, though, said that he was talking about immunity “to the extent that baseball can offer.” He made it clear that he does not object to enforcement of the Joint Drug agreement or the discipline of players who break the rules. But he said that baseball should assist the government by providing evidence that it collected from Bosch and other aspects of its investigation.
The counter-argument, of course, is that baseball needed to give Bosch such assurances to secure his cooperation. Boras, however, raises a valid concern: What would discourage the next Bosch from selling PEDs, then cutting a deal with baseball in exchange for information about the players who were his customers?
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Got a headsup that MLB may be doing a press conference soon to announce details and possible PEDS suspensions, NLT than tommorrow.
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It'll be interesting to see how many Boras clients or ex-clients were involved in this mess. He (or any agent) certainly have benefited from their cut of those mega contracts over the years. Wonder if MLB's axe to grind includes Boras and his ilk?
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Hope they do it before 7:05Outlaw wrote:Got a headsup that MLB may be doing a press conference soon to announce details and possible PEDS suspensions, NLT than tommorrow.
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They have a separate investigation ongoing on the Aces Agency, The Leveinson brothers. One of thier employees was steering players to BioGen and had ties with BioGen. It would not surprise me if other agents are being looked into. As I have said for months, there are other clinics out there and MLB knows about them. They knew about BioGen and BioKem for almost 5 years now. They knew about Aces as far back as 18 months ago.whale4evr wrote:It'll be interesting to see how many Boras clients or ex-clients were involved in this mess. He (or any agent) certainly have benefited from their cut of those mega contracts over the years. Wonder if MLB's axe to grind includes Boras and his ilk?
Seems Arod is telling MLB will accept same deal as Braun right now....My guess is he settles for rest of this year and 50 Games next year. MLB wants to announce before the trade deadline. I'll give Arod credit for saying he will appeal, because then the Arod Circus will tarnish baseball for months and he has to know MLB does not want that.
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Navel Lint wrote:Hope they do it before 7:05Outlaw wrote:Got a headsup that MLB may be doing a press conference soon to announce details and possible PEDS suspensions, NLT than tommorrow.
Check the Rangers lineup for tonight... no Cruz then we have an answer more than likely.... It's still not out, but its still a little early. Its my understanding, MLB will not be answering Questions. Just a statement detailing the suspensions.
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MLB Waiting on Arod Decision. If He fights and wants to appeal, they will go for Lifetime Ban and they may not allow him to play anyhow this year, becuase of the gravity of offenses and will fast track his appeal. Might be later tonight for an announcement, now. I'm still saying he gets roughly 100-150 games and agrees to no appeal.