NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:55 am

This thread is definitely ample proof that there is NO WAY to ever please everyone with rule tweaks. Our game is pretty established right now and making changes going forward is going to be tough.

The DC's get pretty long already at 50 rounds and going deeper than 750 players isn't desired. I understand how injuries can still deplete rosters with 27 reserve players, but I also know how going 55 or 60 rounds could deplete interest in this format even more. I think the solution could be a mid-season 5-round draft or FAAB session, but even that might not be as ideal as you'd think. So we'll sit a spell and think about it, as Andy Griffith liked to say. ;)

I still think there's a way to make the Friday pitching rule work, but right now you've all spun us around so much that I'm not sure I can make it work for next year. The hitters lineup change on Fridays has worked without any problems and maybe we just stick with that.

Maybe the fact that rosters don't lock on Mondays if your players are off that day will allow more time for better pitching decisions in 2014. Let's hope. And hopefully our minor-league tweak will allow for a better understanding of who you can pick up in free agency each week. At least those two tweaks are winning approval.

Again, thanks for the feedback all. We'll finalize most of this shortly, post rules and get Registration set up for a November launch. Good luck to all who won money in 2013.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Money » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:22 pm

Greg Ambrosius wrote:This thread is definitely ample proof that there is NO WAY to ever please everyone with rule tweaks. Our game is pretty established right now and making changes going forward is going to be tough.

The DC's get pretty long already at 50 rounds and going deeper than 750 players isn't desired. I understand how injuries can still deplete rosters with 27 reserve players, but I also know how going 55 or 60 rounds could deplete interest in this format even more. I think the solution could be a mid-season 5-round draft or FAAB session, but even that might not be as ideal as you'd think. So we'll sit a spell and think about it, as Andy Griffith liked to say. ;)

I still think there's a way to make the Friday pitching rule work, but right now you've all spun us around so much that I'm not sure I can make it work for next year. The hitters lineup change on Fridays has worked without any problems and maybe we just stick with that.

Maybe the fact that rosters don't lock on Mondays if your players are off that day will allow more time for better pitching decisions in 2014. Let's hope. And hopefully our minor-league tweak will allow for a better understanding of who you can pick up in free agency each week. At least those two tweaks are winning approval.

Again, thanks for the feedback all. We'll finalize most of this shortly, post rules and get Registration set up for a November launch. Good luck to all who won money in 2013.
Are you giving any consideration to eliminating the last week of the season?
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Post by Deadheadz » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:34 pm

Money wrote: Are you giving any consideration to eliminating the last week of the season?
Sounds like another "make the game easier" request.
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Post by Money » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:27 pm

Deadheadz wrote:
Money wrote: Are you giving any consideration to eliminating the last week of the season?
Sounds like another "make the game easier" request.
I really believe It's exactly the opposite. It appears you don't side with my position on other rule change/issues. That's ok. I'm not really about making the game easier, I can figure most of it out on my own, given the rule structure for any given season.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:54 am

Money wrote:
Greg Ambrosius wrote:
Are you giving any consideration to eliminating the last week of the season?
No.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Deadheadz » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:45 am

Instead of eliminating an entire week of the season, how about daily roster changes in week 26 only?

(I say this after seeing the injured Michael Bourn is supposed to play now after I benched him for the final period)

Would that make both sides happy?
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Post by TParsons » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:54 am

Deadheadz wrote:Instead of eliminating an entire week of the season, how about daily roster changes in week 26 only?

(I say this after seeing the injured Michael Bourn is supposed to play now after I benched him for the final period)

Would that make both sides happy?
No. Keep it consistent. I prefer cutting out the entire last month of the season. Allowing daily changes lets teams gain points over dormant teams by streaming late in the season. This is already being done by streaming 2 start pitchers w/ current weekly changes. We either need to cut off the end of the season to minimize the effect, or do something to provide an incentive to said dormant teams in order to continue to make roster changes.

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Post by TParsons » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:01 pm

KJ Duke wrote:An ideal solution would be to lock any player into a starting (or bench) position for the period as soon as they enter a game or generate a statistic, and not before. Hitter or pitcher.
Interesting idea, KJ. The one thing I'm not sure I like about this is how it can be used for relief pitchers. For instance if I have Street and he is brought in on Monday just to get work, he would be locked into my lineup for the week and may/may not receive a save opp all week. Meanwhile, my opponent has Perkins, whom hasn't had any work thru Wed and has Thurs off. My opponent now has the opportunity to swap out their closer, whose potential saves are now cut in half, for a starter. I'm not sure I like them having that option.

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Money » Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:25 pm

In my opinion playing this week makes absolutely no sense. The fact that some players will get the opportunity at 163 and 164 games makes even littler sense. Just in the past day you have the Tigers bench Martinez, Hunter, Fielder and switch Porcello out of a start. This is asinine and will cost some well deserving teams a league title.

The NFFC deletes the last week of football and that week represents 5-8% of the season depending on how you calculate. One week in MLB only represents 3.7% of the season. For a game that prides itself on having the best teams win and devises ways to make all drafting slots as fair as possible, including the final week of the season is not in step with the way you run this organization.

As a disclaimer, I entered a Main event team this year for the first time in a few years. It has held a lead for the last couple of months, that lead is in serious jeopardy right now. I have spoken on this in the past, it's just hitting home pretty hard right now.

With that said and no matter the outcome, I still believe that playing this week for all the money is not in line with the NFBC core values.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by poopytooth » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Quahogs wrote:
Bama wrote:
Money wrote:I'd like to throw in a vote for 45 8-)
I will second the vote for 45.

Still havent got any feedback on my proposal on another thread to make it a true draft champions league when the draft is over no managing during the season. Make the draft 36 rds and all players stats count. you would do this by adding positions. say 1 c, 1ci, 1 mi, 3of, 1dh 5 pitchers and 1 flex(pitcher or hitter). 1 would probably do 5 or more of these.
Ken, I had the exact same idea last year. I think I posted more detail about this on one of Doughboys threads asking about alternative styles of gameplay. When I get the chance I'll look for it. The gist of it was let's just draft. I proposed that it be tailored similar to a main event (more players obviously) so that way its relevant to ME prep. But after the draft is over you don't have to do a damn thing other than follow the standings. Injuries be damned. Every player you have counts.

You would need some sort of minimum IP requirement that way you dont get crazy Kershaw and then 8 closers teams. If you don't hit the IP requirement due to injury then tough.

Great practice for the higher stakes leagues but without the overhead. Appeals to the casual/new blood player who just wants to follow a team during the season but don't want to deal with burdensome lineup changes and foreign faab.
This is a GREAT idea - but I would say draft ONLY starting line up...same positions as we have now. Now management throughout the season...as Quahogs says...injuries be damned...I agree - minimum IP could get tricky with injuries, but if we looked at like 600, I think it would be manageable...just oart of the "injury risk" :D

I think you'd get a lot more leagues, quicker drafts, more entries, etc. These could have league and/or overall prizes.

I guess the biggest question with this style league is simple...would Carlos Gonzalez still be a top 10 pick?

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Deadheadz » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:16 pm

If the NFBC wants to attract new players...

Allow dormant teams to be taken over as soon as they are deemed dormant. The definition of dormant would have to be something like "six consecutive weeks with no roster changes and at least one DL or minor league player still active".

Only players not already owning a team at NFBC would be eligible.

The problem would be making sure the new manager is experienced enough to know not to be dropping good players back into to FA pool. That would be worse than the team being dormant.

Taking over a team would be free and only the original owner would be able to claim a prize. It is just a way for prospective future NFBC players to try before they buy.

I'm guessing there are plenty of current managers at NFBC who rely on dormant teams so getting their approval isn't likely.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Outlaw » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:26 pm

Deadheadz wrote:If the NFBC wants to attract new players...

Allow dormant teams to be taken over as soon as they are deemed dormant. The definition of dormant would have to be something like "six consecutive weeks with no roster changes and at least one DL or minor league player still active".

Only players not already owning a team at NFBC would be eligible.

The problem would be making sure the new manager is experienced enough to know not to be dropping good players back into to FA pool. That would be worse than the team being dormant.

Taking over a team would be free and only the original owner would be able to claim a prize. It is just a way for prospective future NFBC players to try before they buy.

I'm guessing there are plenty of current managers at NFBC who rely on dormant teams so getting their approval isn't likely.

This suggestion has no merit and presnts way too many possible problems for the NFBC. It will do nothing to attract new players. The NFBC is doing quite well in attracting new owners IMO and owners come and go for whatever reason, but I have seen very few dormant teams ever in the NFBC. An owner pays his money and no way would it be right to take a team away for any reason.

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by KJ Duke » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:59 pm

The last week of the season in baseball is far different than in football. Almost every starter playing at least half the week and most play close to a full week, and that goes for all teams. In football it is very skewed with only a handful of teams that have clinched sitting key players because of injury risk. In football it can be very difficult to replace a top starter with a suitable replacement; plenty of faab pickups available in baseball to plug in for a full week of stats. Also, the impact in football because of the weekly win or loss is far different than a 10-category, 162-gm roto league.

In a points-based league you could make a reasonable argument for eliminating the final week, but not roto, unless the reason is you're just tired of managing by week 26.

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Money » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:14 pm

KJ Duke wrote:The last week of the season in baseball is far different than in football. Almost every starter playing at least half the week and most play close to a full week, and that goes for all teams. In football it is very skewed with only a handful of teams that have clinched sitting key players because of injury risk. In football it can be very difficult to replace a top starter with a suitable replacement; plenty of faab pickups available in baseball to plug in for a full week of stats. Also, the impact in football because of the weekly win or loss is far different than a 10-category, 162-gm roto league.

In a points-based league you could make a reasonable argument for eliminating the final week, but not roto, unless the reason is you're just tired of managing by week 26.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by KJ Duke » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:25 pm

I know you don't like the final week, but what I posted are facts, Joe ... I don't know how you can strongly disagree with facts (although it didn't surprise me). :P

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Post by Money » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:33 pm

KJ Duke wrote:I know you don't like the final week, but what I posted are facts, Joe ... I don't know how you can strongly disagree with facts. (Although it didn't surprise me). :P
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by KJ Duke » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:35 pm

Money wrote:
KJ Duke wrote:I know you don't like the final week, but what I posted are facts, Joe ... I don't know how you can strongly disagree with facts. (Although it didn't surprise me). :P
I'll reserve the facts for next week. You're diluted. You're baseball season has probably been less than a success if I had to guess. Drinking bud light, go have your Starbucks. You're a popular guy around here, sometimes I have a hard time understanding why. We have differing opinions on many things, you attack, that's fine, I'm a big boy.

I hope we can compete in the 12 team Ultimate next year.
You've got to be the most senstive big boy on the boards Joe. Each time I disagree you think it's an attack. I can't recall one time when I've "attacked" you. That's ok, lots of personalities here, I can live with all of them.

Yeah, horrible season Joe. I'm sure yours was much, much better. :roll:

I'm not looking for an argument, just trying to enjoy this final week, so you can post your "facts" and whatever other response you like at a later time and I'll let the other rational players here take it up, I'm a few hours away from going 100% football.

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by King of Queens » Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:56 pm

Money wrote:You're a popular guy around here, sometimes I have a hard time understanding why.
Money wrote:You're diluted.
KJDiluted :lol:

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by KJ Duke » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:00 pm

King of Queens wrote:
Money wrote:You're a popular guy around here, sometimes I have a hard time understanding why.
Money wrote:You're diluted.
KJDiluted :lol:


Ok, one more post :mrgreen:

def:
di·lute (d-lt, d-)
1. To make thinner or less concentrated by adding a liquid such as water.

He nailed it, I've had at least a half gallon of water today!

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Post by TParsons » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:02 pm

KJ, your response is assuming that all teams are still competing. We both know that by the end of the season less than half of teams are competing in FAAB and approximately 1/3 or more teams are no longer making roster changes. Sure it is more difficult to find a replacement player in football, but that is part of the problem in baseball, in my opinion. When you no longer have full participation, it is too easy at the end of the season to find a suitable replacement on the waiver wire due to the influx of players from September call-ups. When players are so easily accessible via FAAB with less competition, and there are teams that still have the likes of Jeter, E3, Castro, Fernandez, Wheeler, etc in their starting lineups, the effect is not minimized, the effect is actually magnified in baseball imo. If you don't think this is the case, why is it that in the final month of every year, teams are streaming two start pitchers?

By the way, nice year and congrats on your big win "across the street."

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by King of Queens » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:05 pm

KJ Duke wrote: He nailed it, I've had at least a half gallon of water today!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx_CaXqp9U

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Gekko » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Money wrote:
KJ Duke wrote:I know you don't like the final week, but what I posted are facts, Joe ... I don't know how you can strongly disagree with facts. (Although it didn't surprise me). :P
I'll reserve the facts for next week. You're diluted. You're baseball season has probably been less than a success if I had to guess. Drinking bud light, go have your Starbucks. You're a popular guy around here, sometimes I have a hard time understanding why. We have differing opinions on many things, you attack, that's fine, I'm a big boy.

I hope we can compete in the 12 team Ultimate next year.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Money » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:04 pm

KJ Duke wrote:
Money wrote:
KJ Duke wrote:I know you don't like the final week, but what I posted are facts, Joe ... I don't know how you can strongly disagree with facts. (Although it didn't surprise me). :P
I'll reserve the facts for next week. You're diluted. You're baseball season has probably been less than a success if I had to guess. Drinking bud light, go have your Starbucks. You're a popular guy around here, sometimes I have a hard time understanding why. We have differing opinions on many things, you attack, that's fine, I'm a big boy.

I hope we can compete in the 12 team Ultimate next year.
You've got to be the most senstive big boy on the boards Joe. Each time I disagree you think it's an attack. I can't recall one time when I've "attacked" you. That's ok, lots of personalities here, I can live with all of them.

Yeah, horrible season Joe. I'm sure yours was much, much better. :roll:

I'm not looking for an argument, just trying to enjoy this final week, so you can post your "facts" and whatever other response you like at a later time and I'll let the other rational players here take it up, I'm a few hours away from going 100% football.
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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by Outlaw » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:29 pm

Opinions should be respected. The thing I dislike the most about these boards is the name calling. It's probably a big reason over the past 3 years less and less people post. Joe and KJ are execllent Fantasy players and both offer a lot to the NFBC and offer and write some good stuff. Bottom line, disagree, but no name calling or any semblence of personnal attacks.

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Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014

Post by KJ Duke » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:40 pm

Joe, differing opinions don't make you irrational, ignoring facts while acting defensive and irrational make you irrational. I don't think there's a single guy on these boards who's been around since the beginning who I haven't disagreed with at some point, but I respect almost every one of them.

Ty - thanks, it hasn't been easy with you, capt morgan and clark pushing me 'til the end. Your counter-point makes sense. Doesn't change my opinion at all on the final week, and as you know the same thing happens in football with a certain number of teams not playing it out to the end. You make a reasonable point, but I believe roto should go 162. I'm not nearly as traditional as Zola, but I think it needs to be played 'til the end.

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