Hot Stove League Talk: Let's Break It Down

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Re: Hot Stove League Talk: Let's Break It Down

Post by BK METS » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:29 pm

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BK METS wrote:Yanks now sign Carlos Beltran. I hope, for Yankee fans sake, that he can pitch. Do they know they can only start 3 outfielders or will they trade Gardner to the Mets for Daniel Murphy? Seems like a good trade for both teams, no?

Gardner has to be moved, makes no sense to keep him... Soriano back to 2B? Gardner will go for a pitcher probably... Beltran for 3 years.... insane... with his knees, even though the DH, still 45M??
Soriano couldn't play 2nd base 10 years ago. He definitely cant play it now. It would be a nightmare. I think you either need to trade for a 2nd baseman or stick with Kelly Johnson. Gardner alone will not get you much of a pitcher... I think you might be able to package him with Gary Sanchez and another player, for a decent pitcher.

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Post by Bronx Yankees » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:42 pm

Not crazy about stacking the roster with guys past their prime, but I could see Gardner + Sanchez (maybe) = Phillips. I don't think that package is enough for Samardzija (who I'd prefer to Phillips at this point), but the Reds might entertain it because they also need an OF that could lead off, and Sanchez is a nice chip whose path is blocked by McCann. Guess it depends how valued Sanchez is league wide. Although he's one of the Yankees' top prospects, in recent years that has not meant much. I like Murphy better for fantasy than real baseball. He had a very nice breakout season, but him and Jeter are not the combo I want defensively up the middle.

Frankly, although Beltran is a power bat who should do well in Yankee Stadium, especially with the ability to DH every now and then, I expected the Yanks to go full bore after Choo once they lost Cano.

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Re: Hot Stove League Talk: Let's Break It Down

Post by ToddZ » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:23 pm

Bronx Yankees wrote:Not crazy about stacking the roster with guys past their prime, but I could see Gardner + Sanchez (maybe) = Phillips. I don't think that package is enough for Samardzija (who I'd prefer to Phillips at this point), but the Reds might entertain it because they also need an OF that could lead off, and Sanchez is a nice chip whose path is blocked by McCann. Guess it depends how valued Sanchez is league wide. Although he's one of the Yankees' top prospects, in recent years that has not meant much. I like Murphy better for fantasy than real baseball. He had a very nice breakout season, but him and Jeter are not the combo I want defensively up the middle.

Frankly, although Beltran is a power bat who should do well in Yankee Stadium, especially with the ability to DH every now and then, I expected the Yanks to go full bore after Choo once they lost Cano.

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Reds already have Billy Hamilton -- they don't need another banjo hitter in a bandbox. They also have Mesoraco so Sanchez isn't all that enticing (I wouldn't think).

And you're right - that doesn't even get you in the room for Samardzija.
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Re: Hot Stove League Talk: Let's Break It Down

Post by Deadheadz » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:27 am

Nate McLouth is now with the Nationals and would play behind Harper, Werth and Span.

Will he lose a ton of value? Was he all smoke and mirrors anyway? Does he platoon with Span?

Are the Nats shopping Span with the hope of using McLouth in his place? What position does Washington need the most help at?
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Post by Bronx Yankees » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:34 am

ToddZ wrote:
Bronx Yankees wrote:Not crazy about stacking the roster with guys past their prime, but I could see Gardner + Sanchez (maybe) = Phillips. I don't think that package is enough for Samardzija (who I'd prefer to Phillips at this point), but the Reds might entertain it because they also need an OF that could lead off, and Sanchez is a nice chip whose path is blocked by McCann. Guess it depends how valued Sanchez is league wide. Although he's one of the Yankees' top prospects, in recent years that has not meant much. I like Murphy better for fantasy than real baseball. He had a very nice breakout season, but him and Jeter are not the combo I want defensively up the middle.

Frankly, although Beltran is a power bat who should do well in Yankee Stadium, especially with the ability to DH every now and then, I expected the Yanks to go full bore after Choo once they lost Cano.

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Reds already have Billy Hamilton -- they don't need another banjo hitter in a bandbox. They also have Mesoraco so Sanchez isn't all that enticing (I wouldn't think).

And you're right - that doesn't even get you in the room for Samardzija.
Todd - You're right. Gardner is too much like Hamilton for the Reds to want both. I guess I'm skeptical Hamilton will develop into a legit lead off hitter. He had an OBP under .310 in AAA last year. He hit surprisingly (to me) well in his brief call up last year, so maybe he has the goods, but the sample size was too small for me to be a believer. Still, they'll give Hamilton every chance, and, therefore, are unlikely to trade Phillips for Gardner (unless it was simply to dump salary). The problem for the Yankees is that they seem to have very few real trade chips. Now that the Yanks lost Cano and signed Beltran, I'd do a Gardner for Murphy swap, I guess, although I'd be worried about infield defense. Maybe just sign Infante (not sure Kelly Johnson is an adequate full-time 2B for an entire season).

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Re: Hot Stove League Talk: Let's Break It Down

Post by Bronx Yankees » Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:42 am

Deadheadz wrote:Nate McLouth is now with the Nationals and would play behind Harper, Werth and Span.

Will he lose a ton of value? Was he all smoke and mirrors anyway? Does he platoon with Span?

Are the Nats shopping Span with the hope of using McLouth in his place? What position does Washington need the most help at?
It was a somewhat surprising signing to me. A nice payday for McLouth, so I don't blame him, but after a really, really good year (kind of under the radar) in 2013, I'd have thought he could've gotten a full-time gig or at least a clearer platoon role. I'm not sure if the Nats want to platoon Span, and he may be the only one they'd prefer to play CF. Given possible injury concerns re Werth and Harper (especially Werth), I'd stick those guys in the corners and keep them out of CF, if possible. Still, given those injury concerns, rest days, and some games in AL parks, McLouth should get a decent number of ABs. If Span does lousy, he would play more. He may be the best fourth OF in the NL. A pretty good insurance policy for a team intending to make a run deep into the playoffs.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:26 am

With Ichiro totally useless at this point I am giddy about an OF/DH of Gardner, Soriano, Ellsbury and Beltran. I think Kelly Johnson will be okay and I would love for them to sign Infante to play 3rd. If we get a healthy Texeira (may be a pipe dream at this point) the offense will be quite good. All that being said they need to snag Tanaka (if he gets posted) and they MUST sign a closer. David Robertson is WAY better suited to be a setup guy and a great bridge to the 9th inning. Now matter how much offense gets added the pitching needs to be addressed.

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Post by Bronx Yankees » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:53 am

ALL-IN JD wrote:With Ichiro totally useless at this point I am giddy about an OF/DH of Gardner, Soriano, Ellsbury and Beltran. I think Kelly Johnson will be okay and I would love for them to sign Infante to play 3rd. If we get a healthy Texeira (may be a pipe dream at this point) the offense will be quite good. All that being said they need to snag Tanaka (if he gets posted) and they MUST sign a closer. David Robertson is WAY better suited to be a setup guy and a great bridge to the 9th inning. Now matter how much offense gets added the pitching needs to be addressed.
Completely agree with you re pitching. I really liked what I saw from Nova during parts of last season, but CC's decline has me scared (Kuroda's fade also is disconcerting). One of the problems for the Yanks is that with the possible exception of Tanaka, the free agent SPs are somewhat lacking and they have very few desirable trade chips. But, as you say, it doesnt matter how many hitters they get if they don't also add some quality pitching (would love to see what a healthy Pineda could do). I do like Gardner, so I'd be fine if they kept him. Was just trying to figure out a way to get Phillips, who I think still possesses an excellent glove. I also agree with you re keeping Robertson as the 8th inning guy. I think the only comment with which I disagree is having Kelly Johnson as the full-time 2B. Will be interesting to see what they do next week.

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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:40 am

Mike,

Don't get me wrong, Kelly Johnson is no gem. But he does offer a decent power/speed combo and with the addition of McCann, Ellsbury and Beltran we can certainly live with Johnson at 2nd. I agree with you totally regarding the SP market. Other than Tanaka there is no pitcher out there that I want. looks like Kuroda is coming back, agree about Nova and HOPING we get something out of Pineda. Adding Tanaka and a closer will definitely help.


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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:27 am

And Hanley Ramirez gets six more years.
Surely, that won't bite the Dodgers in the ass.
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Post by ALL-IN JD » Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:53 am

The Dodgers are making George Steinbrenner look like a cheap skate!! :-)

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Post by poopytooth » Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:25 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:And Hanley Ramirez gets six more years.
Surely, that won't bite the Dodgers in the ass.
Not this year when they win the world series! :D
The rest of the baseball world can chant "Beat LA" all they want.
I will take too many years for a Championship...now let's lock up Kershaw!

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