K-Rod waived

[Top Dawg]

K-Rod was waived in my $100 3-Prize League (Feb 28). Can I assume he will be removed from the waiver pool?



Pete

[Tom Kessenich]

We'll look into that Pete.

[Jackstraw]

We dropped him... We ranked second in the saves category and had no chance of moving up. It doesn't really look like the guy behind us is going to pass us up either since we still have Papelbon and Nathan.



Sorry, we needed the bench space and I hope this doesn't cause any problems.

[Top Dawg]

Tom - Any thoughts on taking K-Rod out of the waiver pool? It seems to me that players of his status should not be available as free agents because one team decides they can't go up or down in a category. What's next, someone waives Reyes because they have enough sb's or Thome because they have enough HR's?



Please advise. I still see K-Rod on my waiver wire.



Thanks - Pete

[Hangtown]

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

K-Rod was waived in my $100 3-Prize League (Feb 28). Can I assume he will be removed from the waiver pool?



Pete Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We certainly understand why some owners need to cut closers and of course every cut will be allowed. However, we have taken Chad Cordero out of Chicago League 2's free agent pool as having a closer in that league at this point in the season could be an unfair advantage. Owners in Chicago League 2 won't see Chad Cordero in their free agent pool this season.



Good luck everyone.



Eric Byrnes is having a solid season, but we have not taken him out of that league's free agent pool. This is my first year in the NFBC and this makes me very uncomfortable...



I don't want to give the impression that I think Greg or Tom would do anything slanted, but people do make mistakes in judgement. I for one know this to be true in the NFBC, but I don't need to re-hash that here.



So, I really think that if drops are going to be evaluated on a league by league basis, there really needs to be an "Undroppable" list so we all know were we stand. In LV6, Chipper Jones was removed from the waiver list last week for obvious reasons. But some decent players in other leagues just as important have not?



I don't want to stir up anything, but my point is that if we leave drops up to the admins, that opens up a whole new can of worms. Who's to say they will always make the right choice? Everyone values players differently, don't we?



With an "undroppable" list, they wouldn't have to make any judgemental calls...



At the very least, if "every cut will be allowed", there should be a list that if you drop them, they will be removed, no questions asked and no explanations needed!

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

Tom - Any thoughts on taking K-Rod out of the waiver pool? It seems to me that players of his status should not be available as free agents because one team decides they can't go up or down in a category. What's next, someone waives Reyes because they have enough sb's or Thome because they have enough HR's?



Please advise. I still see K-Rod on my waiver wire.



Thanks - Pete Pete, we do take players out of the free agent pool for the main event because it's unfair for everyone competing for the overall grand prize if one league has an unfair advantage over others. But in individual leagues, I have taken a hands-off approach on cuts like this. I understand some of the frustration, but again this is an individual league prize and it's not affecting an overall grand prize.



We have left K-Rod in this league at this point.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Dan, first of all, all cuts are allowed in the NFBC. We do not tell you how to manage your team. However, when it comes to the overall grand prize, it's important for the integrity of the contest to make sure everyone has an equal opportunity to pick up similar talent. Having a player who is second in the NL in batting average in one league but not in 21 others doesn't seem fair. We took him out of the free agent pool in that league and now we are taking Chad Cordero out of another league.



There isn't a set list, only common sense on the admin's part to make sure the battle for $100,000 remains consistent. We'll watch closers intently down the stretch and guys in the Top 2 in batting average! No "no drop list" is needed in my view.

[Hangtown]

That's my point, you guys now have a say in what's fair...



I was allowed to pick up Sheffield when he had surgery. If he comes back in September, that can be huge in my opinion. If he got hurt 2 weeks ago, he would not have been allowed back in the pool...



See what I'm saying?

[rmurph3]

I agree with Greg on this one... I don't think K-Rod should be removed from the pool. In the main event, yes... you wouldn't want someone in Chicago League 3 benefitting in the overall standings because K-Rod got dropped in NY League 4.



But in an individual league, all's fair. Everyone has a chance to bid on K-Rod, and there are no indirectly affected parties in other leagues.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Hangtown:

That's my point, you guys now have a say in what's fair...



I was allowed to pick up Sheffield when he had surgery. If he comes back in September, that can be huge in my opinion. If he got hurt 2 weeks ago, he would not have been allowed back in the pool...



See what I'm saying? Shouldn't we have a say in what's fair? Isn't that what a league commissioner should do? In the end, the best manager should win and it's my job to make sure that happens.



You were allowed to pick up Sheffield because of the risk factor with that pickup. I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure I understand the dispute.

[nydownunder]

Originally posted by Hangtown:

That's my point, you guys now have a say in what's fair...



I was allowed to pick up Sheffield when he had surgery. If he comes back in September, that can be huge in my opinion. If he got hurt 2 weeks ago, he would not have been allowed back in the pool...



See what I'm saying? Hangtown, a bunch of If's in that statement.



I think the fact that certain circumstances dictate different opinions/rules is perhaps the strongest argument for keeping it the way it is. So far I can't say that they have made any bad judgements in this arena over the past 2 years.



If Sheffield comes back then you and every other second hand owner deserve his stats....because bench space is pretty darn valuable over the long haul and guys like you took a big chance in putting a big IF there for the better part of the season. Good luck.

[bjoak]

Who cares! As long as the NFBC is not telling us who we can't drop--and they used to--what is the difference? Would you rather that players be left in the pool? That could be a sort of collusion between losing managers and managers with FAAB left. All the decisions made re: which players to 'freeze' have been fine.



With an "undroppable" list, they wouldn't have to make any judgemental calls...

Except for every single week when someone like yourself was on the boards complaining about which players he could and couldn't drop. And every week when new players got hurt and their status had to be reevaluated, creating more arguments.



At the very least, if "every cut will be allowed", there should be a list that if you drop them, they will be removed, no questions asked and no explanations needed!

Aren't you asking questions and demanding explanations right now? Why should that change because of a list? You'll just have a whole lot more players whose status you can question and demand explanations on.



[ August 08, 2006, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by bjoak:

Who cares! As long as the NFBC is not telling us who we can't drop--and they used to--what is the difference? We did ask a team owner to not cut Barry Bonds last year, and thus we instituted this rule where we freeze free agents. But we do not tell owners who they can and can't drop.

[Top Dawg]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

Tom - Any thoughts on taking K-Rod out of the waiver pool? It seems to me that players of his status should not be available as free agents because one team decides they can't go up or down in a category. What's next, someone waives Reyes because they have enough sb's or Thome because they have enough HR's?



Please advise. I still see K-Rod on my waiver wire.



Thanks - Pete Pete, we do take players out of the free agent pool for the main event because it's unfair for everyone competing for the overall grand prize if one league has an unfair advantage over others. But in individual leagues, I have taken a hands-off approach on cuts like this. I understand some of the frustration, but again this is an individual league prize and it's not affecting an overall grand prize.



We have left K-Rod in this league at this point. [/QUOTE]Greg, in all due respect, I think what's fair for the overall should be considered equaly fair in individual leagues. It would be easier for someone to help another team in a Satellite league move up in the standings than to help someone move up into the Overall standings.



First of all, Satellite leagues are not randomly selected. Anyone can enter a Satellite league along with a friend or two. Heck, some of us do that just for the competition. You're saying all we would have to do is hang onto free agency bucks and see what shakes out. If one of us needs sb's, HR or saves (any category for that matter) then one of us could simply waive a player like K-Rod or Reyes and BINGO, next week someone we know has a top player on their team.



Consider me not pleased that a player like K-Rod can be waived in a Satellite league this late in the season when 10 saves the fianl 9 weeks can add 5-7 points to any team in the thick of the saves category.



No sour grapes here, but I didn't know this was possible and it will effect my decision making process going forward in Satellite leagues.



I guess it's the same for the Satellite football leagues. A 2-6 team can waive Larry Johnson or LT for am extra kicker or defense after week 8.... Interesting.



Pete

[Top Dawg]

By the way, the guy who waived K-Rod to make room on his bench has such studs as Mulder (DL) (48 K's, 6.05 ERA, 1.55WHIP); Miguel Batista (80 K's, 4.87 ERA, 1.56 WHIP) on his bench. He also has David Wells, winless with 9 K's in 19 innings and an 8.05 ERA and 1.84 WHIP and Horatio Ramirez (37 K's 4.47 ERA and 1.42 WHIP) in the lineup.



I can clearly see why he does not need K-Rod and his 27 saves, with his 58 K's, 2.38 ERA and 1.08 WHIP.



Who wouldn't like to wake up and see K-Rod available as a free agent????????

[Chest Rockwell]

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

Tom - Any thoughts on taking K-Rod out of the waiver pool? It seems to me that players of his status should not be available as free agents because one team decides they can't go up or down in a category. What's next, someone waives Reyes because they have enough sb's or Thome because they have enough HR's?



Please advise. I still see K-Rod on my waiver wire.



Thanks - Pete Pete, we do take players out of the free agent pool for the main event because it's unfair for everyone competing for the overall grand prize if one league has an unfair advantage over others. But in individual leagues, I have taken a hands-off approach on cuts like this. I understand some of the frustration, but again this is an individual league prize and it's not affecting an overall grand prize.



We have left K-Rod in this league at this point. [/QUOTE]Greg, in all due respect, I think what's fair for the overall should be considered equaly fair in individual leagues. It would be easier for someone to help another team in a Satellite league move up in the standings than to help someone move up into the Overall standings.



First of all, Satellite leagues are not randomly selected. Anyone can enter a Satellite league along with a friend or two. Heck, some of us do that just for the competition. You're saying all we would have to do is hang onto free agency bucks and see what shakes out. If one of us needs sb's, HR or saves (any category for that matter) then one of us could simply waive a player like K-Rod or Reyes and BINGO, next week someone we know has a top player on their team.



Consider me not pleased that a player like K-Rod can be waived in a Satellite league this late in the season when 10 saves the fianl 9 weeks can add 5-7 points to any team in the thick of the saves category.



No sour grapes here, but I didn't know this was possible and it will effect my decision making process going forward in Satellite leagues.



I guess it's the same for the Satellite football leagues. A 2-6 team can waive Larry Johnson or LT for am extra kicker or defense after week 8.... Interesting.



Pete [/QUOTE]Well said-

[sportsbettingman]

Something smells fishy...



Keep M. Batista who's on the waiver wire in more than 50% of the leagues??? Cut F-Rod who's most likely 90+% kept on rosters/started???



If I were king...I'd remove him from that pool.



~Lance

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

Tom - Any thoughts on taking K-Rod out of the waiver pool? It seems to me that players of his status should not be available as free agents because one team decides they can't go up or down in a category. What's next, someone waives Reyes because they have enough sb's or Thome because they have enough HR's?



Please advise. I still see K-Rod on my waiver wire.



Thanks - Pete Pete, we do take players out of the free agent pool for the main event because it's unfair for everyone competing for the overall grand prize if one league has an unfair advantage over others. But in individual leagues, I have taken a hands-off approach on cuts like this. I understand some of the frustration, but again this is an individual league prize and it's not affecting an overall grand prize.



We have left K-Rod in this league at this point. [/QUOTE]Greg, in all due respect, I think what's fair for the overall should be considered equaly fair in individual leagues. It would be easier for someone to help another team in a Satellite league move up in the standings than to help someone move up into the Overall standings.



First of all, Satellite leagues are not randomly selected. Anyone can enter a Satellite league along with a friend or two. Heck, some of us do that just for the competition. You're saying all we would have to do is hang onto free agency bucks and see what shakes out. If one of us needs sb's, HR or saves (any category for that matter) then one of us could simply waive a player like K-Rod or Reyes and BINGO, next week someone we know has a top player on their team.



Consider me not pleased that a player like K-Rod can be waived in a Satellite league this late in the season when 10 saves the fianl 9 weeks can add 5-7 points to any team in the thick of the saves category.



No sour grapes here, but I didn't know this was possible and it will effect my decision making process going forward in Satellite leagues.



I guess it's the same for the Satellite football leagues. A 2-6 team can waive Larry Johnson or LT for am extra kicker or defense after week 8.... Interesting.



Pete [/QUOTE]Agreed. After looking at his team and the overall league situation, this is not a fair cut. We will take him out of this league's free agent pool immediately and he will remain unavailable via FAAB the rest of the year. This one doesn't play right. Thanks for your patience as we looked it through.

[Quahogs]

good decision Greg. it's very easy to tag-team in the sats.

[Jackstraw]

I love it that we have created so much controversy... And, I'm surprised that somebody didn't make note of us keeping Joey Gathright as well.



We've lived with our team and league all season, so I think we know a lot more about what is going on in the league and the standings. Our justification falls under the category of "Saves are an unnecessary commodity." Yeah, at the beginning of the season K-Rod looks much more attractive than Miguel Batista. In the stretch run, for us, Batista is a much better choice. We have the potential of gaining 1 point in saves and a potential of gaining 7+ in wins and 3+ in strikeouts. The starting pitchers were held solely because of the potential for 2 turn starts. I don't want to give away our long term strategy, though it should be pretty obvious. Their stats may not be stellar but the opportunities for wins is more valuable than a few saves that aren't going to gain us anything.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

I love it that we have created so much controversy... And, I'm surprised that somebody didn't make note of us keeping Joey Gathright as well.



We've lived with our team and league all season, so I think we know a lot more about what is going on in the league and the standings. Our justification falls under the category of "Saves are an unnecessary commodity." Yeah, at the beginning of the season K-Rod looks much more attractive than Miguel Batista. In the stretch run, for us, Batista is a much better choice. We have the potential of gaining 1 point in saves and a potential of gaining 7+ in wins and 3+ in strikeouts. The starting pitchers were held solely because of the potential for 2 turn starts. I don't want to give away our long term strategy, though it should be pretty obvious. Their stats may not be stellar but the opportunities for wins is more valuable than a few saves that aren't going to gain us anything. Agreed George. It's important to allow teams to cut whomever they want to improve themselves in certain categories. But then it's my job to make sure the competition remains fair down the stretch for everyone. We'll try to balance both during the last few weeks of the NFBC season. Good luck everyone.

[Jackstraw]

Greg,

If this had been the Main Event, I would have emailed you and Tom to let you know what we were going to do. Since it was a satellite league I didn't think that it would matter that much. Sorry if this has caused you any grief.