Lineup flexibility

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Assuming the technology can be easily implemented, wouldn't it be better if we can move a guy around even if his game already started. It is similar to the flex situation in football which can be moved. Especially with the ability to wait until Tuesday to see if injured guys are in the lineup and what not. Some of the flexibility that you should have with dual eligible players seems to be compromised somewhat. Seems to me that all that should be locked is if the guy is playing for you or not. Thoughts?

[KJ Duke]

Agree Chad, was added for football - would like to see for baseball too.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Assuming the technology can be easily implemented, wouldn't it be better if we can move a guy around even if his game already started. It is similar to the flex situation in football which can be moved. Especially with the ability to wait until Tuesday to see if injured guys are in the lineup and what not. Some of the flexibility that you should have with dual eligible players seems to be compromised somewhat. Seems to me that all that should be locked is if the guy is playing for you or not. Thoughts?

I think most, if not all of us, would like to see this.

[Red Sox Nation-]

Would be a great addition. I know this has been brought up in the past.

[Glenneration X]

Good suggestion Chad. This is a no brainer. I would bet this implementation would receive zero negative responses.

[Money]

I think because of football many of us assumed that this would work the same way. I would hope that if it's not a tough fix, we implement it this season. I don't think it's considered a rule change but more of a software change.

[Liquidhippo]

Assuming the technology can be easily implemented, wouldn't it be better if we can move a guy around even if his game already started. It is similar to the flex situation in football which can be moved. Especially with the ability to wait until Tuesday to see if injured guys are in the lineup and what not. Some of the flexibility that you should have with dual eligible players seems to be compromised somewhat. Seems to me that all that should be locked is if the guy is playing for you or not. Thoughts?

I think most, if not all of us, would like to see this.

Agreed. Ideally I would like to see Monday rain-out players remain unlocked as well.

[King of Queens]

http://nfbcforums.stats.com/viewtopic.p ... 3&p=151122

[Liquidhippo]

Thanks for the link. What I read there was disappointing. All I can say is that the FBPC figured out how to do it. All of my Cleveland Indian players from the rainout today, I can still move them in and out of my lineup. All rainouts on the first day of each lineup period are that way. I don't understand why it has to be the way it is here or why this way is preferable. Not a huge deal(the rain-out issue) but slightly disappointing.

[TParsons]

I've been asking for this for two years. One would think the technology can be easily implemented, but given the missed deadlines on the draft room, faab, and the fact they can't even get the live standings right even though stats are their primary business, I'm not so sure. Who knows what loopholes they would leave open, that only a few might know about, which Greg and Tom would be perfectly fine with.

[Deadheadz]

Thanks for the link. What I read there was disappointing. All I can say is that the FBPC figured out how to do it. All of my Cleveland Indian players from the rainout today, I can still move them in and out of my lineup. All rainouts on the first day of each lineup period are that way. I don't understand why it has to be the way it is here or why this way is preferable. Not a huge deal(the rain-out issue) but slightly disappointing.

And if they were to go the extra mile and make all the changes needed to make that flexibility possible, what happens when teams who are off Monday get rained out Tuesday?

We let people lock their players into lineups on Wednesday night?

You have to draw the line somewhere and we should feel lucky to get the changes we did. The schedule is loaded into the system in advance based on the MLB master schedule and asking STATS to monitor every game every day for over 3000 games in case there's a rainout, sewer backup or Snowpocalypse is asking too much.

Maybe if you create a private league where you pay extra to hire people to manually reschedule lineup lock times then you could have your cake and eat it too.

STATS gives you an inch and you demand a mile.

As managers we all know the schedule in advance and it's up to us to plan accordingly. Dozens of people set their lineups based on these schedules and then go about their lives. You want to TAKE ADVANTAGE of a rainout to make adjustments that benefit yourself and if those other people who weren't paying attention get screwed then its their own fault for not being as attentive as you?

That makes the playing field uneven. Everyone should play from the same schedule and whatever random events cause delays or postponements should affect everyone equally.

Nice try though.

"If you're not cheatin' you're not tryin'"

Something tells me you guys would be the first to complain if your lineups were set and you ended up losing your league to a guy who was able to sit his original pitcher who got rocked and start a different one who got a 1-hitter.

[Liquidhippo]

Thanks for the link. What I read there was disappointing. All I can say is that the FBPC figured out how to do it. All of my Cleveland Indian players from the rainout today, I can still move them in and out of my lineup. All rainouts on the first day of each lineup period are that way. I don't understand why it has to be the way it is here or why this way is preferable. Not a huge deal(the rain-out issue) but slightly disappointing.

And if they were to go the extra mile and make all the changes needed to make that flexibility possible, what happens when teams who are off Monday get rained out Tuesday?

We let people lock their players into lineups on Wednesday night?

You have to draw the line somewhere and we should feel lucky to get the changes we did. The schedule is loaded into the system in advance based on the MLB master schedule and asking STATS to monitor every game every day for over 3000 games in case there's a rainout, sewer backup or Snowpocalypse is asking too much.

Maybe if you create a private league where you pay extra to hire people to manually reschedule lineup lock times then you could have your cake and eat it too.

STATS gives you an inch and you demand a mile.

Sorry, this comes off as rather trollish. Hard to take this as a serious comment. STATS gives an inch and I demand a mile? Rubbish. Did you read my brief post? Other contests have it as standard fare. No one asked for anything special. Rather, it would be a special request to have it any other way. It's what I'm used to elsewhere.

I wonder if this is Snake with a new moniker. That would explain everything.

[Deadheadz]

It's one thing to adjust to a short NFL schedule where every game is much more significant in relation to the season. An NFL game is 1/300th of a season while an MLB game is 1/3000th (round numbers).

NFL doesn't put games off by weeks or months like we sometimes see in the MLB. In the NFL every game really matters. In the MLB you might not even have the game played if it won't affect the standings late in the year (make up games).

I respect that you see the problem as easy to solve but I have to repeat my assertion that it would make the fantasy game not fair to everyone playing.

If you want to play in leagues with daily lineup locks, those leagues are out there for you. Many NFBC players are seriously hardcore about the game but don't always have time to be setting lineups more than twice a week. In a game that's already very hard to win you're looking for ways to scrape out a few more points by setting your final lineup a whole day after most others have theirs locked.

And you think that's fair?

[Deadheadz]

I wonder if this is Snake with a new moniker. That would explain everything.

I don't know Snake but if you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a troll there's gonna be a lot of snakes out there.

The NFBC is a damn fine game and you wanna go and change it. Sorry, but I must disagree. I guess that makes me a troll too.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Thanks for the link. What I read there was disappointing. All I can say is that the FBPC figured out how to do it. All of my Cleveland Indian players from the rainout today, I can still move them in and out of my lineup. All rainouts on the first day of each lineup period are that way. I don't understand why it has to be the way it is here or why this way is preferable. Not a huge deal(the rain-out issue) but slightly disappointing.

And if they were to go the extra mile and make all the changes needed to make that flexibility possible, what happens when teams who are off Monday get rained out Tuesday?

We let people lock their players into lineups on Wednesday night?

You have to draw the line somewhere and we should feel lucky to get the changes we did. The schedule is loaded into the system in advance based on the MLB master schedule and asking STATS to monitor every game every day for over 3000 games in case there's a rainout, sewer backup or Snowpocalypse is asking too much.

Maybe if you create a private league where you pay extra to hire people to manually reschedule lineup lock times then you could have your cake and eat it too.

STATS gives you an inch and you demand a mile.

As managers we all know the schedule in advance and it's up to us to plan accordingly. Dozens of people set their lineups based on these schedules and then go about their lives. You want to TAKE ADVANTAGE of a rainout to make adjustments that benefit yourself and if those other people who weren't paying attention get screwed then its their own fault for not being as attentive as you?

That makes the playing field uneven. Everyone should play from the same schedule and whatever random events cause delays or postponements should affect everyone equally.

Nice try though.

"If you're not cheatin' you're not tryin'"

Something tells me you guys would be the first to complain if your lineups were set and you ended up losing your league to a guy who was able to sit his original pitcher who got rocked and start a different one who got a 1-hitter.

Again this clown derails the topic. This is about lineup flexibility. Those that responded that an added bonus would be allowing for extended rainout deadlines did not derail it. But this forum is all about you. And the thing is, nobody gives a rats ass what you have to say.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Assuming the technology can be easily implemented, wouldn't it be better if we can move a guy around even if his game already started. It is similar to the flex situation in football which can be moved. Especially with the ability to wait until Tuesday to see if injured guys are in the lineup and what not. Some of the flexibility that you should have with dual eligible players seems to be compromised somewhat. Seems to me that all that should be locked is if the guy is playing for you or not. Thoughts?

Guys, there's no reason to turn this thread into a pissing match. We understand the request from Chad and we don't disagree with it. It's a software change we implemented in football two years ago to handle the later games. That being said, it's not something we currently have in baseball and with all of the other upgrades we are working on now it's not something we can implement right away. But we will talk with IT and see what's possible going forward in this regard.

We allowed starting lineup changes to be more flexible this year to help all owners have more information on players before locking down their starting lineups for the week. This is the first time we've allowed owners to lock in their players on Tuesdays if those players weren't scheduled to play on Monday. Hopefully this helps everyone.

But now that opens up other possibilities, like the suggestion above and dealing with Monday rainouts. The rules clearly state that players lock before their first scheduled game: "NEW FOR 2014: You now don’t have to lock in your entire starting lineup on Mondays if you have players who don’t play their first game of the week until Tuesday. You now are allowed to lock in your starters on Monday 5 minutes before their scheduled games that day and also 5 minutes before their games on Tuesdays if that is their first game of the week."

This is automated on our end and everyone has the time and date that their players lock each week on their Set Lineups page. To deal with rainouts on Mondays now we'd have to manually change those starting times as the rainouts happen and then of course change the rules mid-season. We're going to stick with the current setup as the rules state and we can re-evaluate this for 2015. We certainly understand the request and it's something none of us considered when adding the extra day of time to set your starting lineups and we'll address this change for next season.

Good luck all and thanks for the improvement suggestions.

[Money]

This thread was started to address position flexibility for lineup spots that are not already locked. The rainout discussion became a byproduct of it because we had rainouts yesterday. The point that was trying to made is that if a lineup spot is open, adjustments from within the roster should be available. If the rained out players lock that's fine, you treat them in that manner.

Today we have the CI roster spot unlocked. We have an OF on the bench who is not scheduled to play until today, he is questionable. If he's in the lineup we should be able to move an OF player who has CI eligibility to the unlocked spot to open up the OF spot for the questionable player on the bench if he indeed does play.

Once again when players lock was not the intent of this conversation. The ability to maneuver for current unlocked spots was. With that said I understand this would be a difficult change and realize this won't happen this year. I just thought I'd clarify that this discussion was not aimed at rained out players, although I also agree that they should not lock as well.

[Greg Ambrosius]

This thread was started to address position flexibility for lineup spots that are not already locked. The rainout discussion became a byproduct of it because we had rainouts yesterday. The point that was trying to made is that if a lineup spot is open, adjustments from within the roster should be available. If the rained out players lock that's fine, you treat them in that manner.

Today we have the CI roster spot unlocked. We have an OF on the bench who is not scheduled to play until today, he is questionable. If he's in the lineup we should be able to move an OF player who has CI eligibility to the unlocked spot to open up the OF spot for the questionable player on the bench if he indeed does play.

Once again when players lock was not the intent of this conversation. The ability to maneuver for current unlocked spots was. With that said I understand this would be a difficult change and realize this won't happen this year. I just thought I'd clarify that this discussion was not aimed at rained out players, although I also agree that they should not lock as well.

Agreed and we totally understand the request. We didn't think this through with rainouts when we initiated the change and neither did any of our players. But of course two rainouts occur on the second Monday of the season and now we all figure out an even better solution to this change. We get it and that's where one request turned into two requests. Now we plan accordingly for the future on the rainouts and this thread moves on without name calling and the rest. We get the request and it's a good one.