And the hits just keep on coming....

[NorCalAtlFan]

The best Roto players are at NFBC.
The stakes are high at NFBC.

Why dumb down the game and make it "easier" for everyone?
Just step your game up.

Next you'll want a DL slot on FanDuel.

Dead- that Makes no sense, FD is daily, one would have be to be an idiot to pick a player on the DL...geez

These guys would want the option to change out a player to get the points of his replacement.
Yes, it makes no sense. Yes, it's ridiculous.

THAT's the point. It doesn't make sense to change the rules based on short term rashes of injuries.
There are thousands of leagues for players who want to play with a DL. It's arrogant to show up where there's no DL and say "this game is too hard for me, you should change it to make it easier."

you don't have to be an asshole every post. i know that's your schtick, but putting words into people's mouths and demeaning their opinion/thoughts on a topic reflects more on you than them.
i have no qualms about the rules as is. we all know the rules when we sign up, and play by them. i can see both sides of the argument however and both have merit. this at least gives us something to discuss moving forward.

[Deadheadz]

you don't have to be an asshole every post. i know that's your schtick, but putting words into people's mouths and demeaning their opinion/thoughts on a topic reflects more on you than them.
i have no qualms about the rules as is. we all know the rules when we sign up, and play by them. i can see both sides of the argument however and both have merit. this at least gives us something to discuss moving forward.

So I express the opinion that it's arrogant to come in and say the rules should be changed at an established game and you take that as being an asshole?

What usually makes someone an asshole is being rude and name calling.
I say potato, you say rectum.

To be fair, you're being consistent. You hate all my posts.
Not biased at all.

[NorCalAtlFan]

you win.

you're a charming person and bring wit and intelligence to every post.

my sincerest apologies.

[Outlaw]

The best Roto players are at NFBC.
The stakes are high at NFBC.

Why dumb down the game and make it "easier" for everyone?
Just step your game up.

Next you'll want a DL slot on FanDuel.

Dead- that Makes no sense, FD is daily, one would have be to be an idiot to pick a player on the DL...geez

These guys would want the option to change out a player to get the points of his replacement.
Yes, it makes no sense. Yes, it's ridiculous.

THAT's the point. It doesn't make sense to change the rules based on short term rashes of injuries.
There are thousands of leagues for players who want to play with a DL. It's arrogant to show up where there's no DL and say "this game is too hard for me, you should change it to make it easier."

I don't see anyone here advocating to change anything for this year. Moaning yes about current injuries, but go back as many years as you choose in the old posts, and you will see the same discussion and each progressive year the discussion takes on more veracity and passion. Everyone plays this year's games as they understood the rules, no one here asking for the money back. Shoot even Glenn is posting his injuries now on his teams, although he's not whining and still wanting to leave things as they are. He's s big boy, he fully accepts the rules and likes that part of the challenge I suppose.

All I am saying and others as well, is, discussion and consideration be given to the impact of ever increasing injuries and that the possibility exists for different variations of the same game and let anyone who spends their money decide where and how they want to spend it. I'd be willing to bet that most players cannot and do not have the time and would welcome leagues that offer variation and consideration to the injury factor, that limits the amount time they have to worry about injuries. For owners/players that do have unlimited time on their hands and can troll all the fantasy/baseball information sites, discussion boards and FA pools and study from 6am-11pm, they absolutely would resist changes, its an advantage they have over the other players who don't have as much free time, who work, have kids, don't have the luxury of studying baseball all day.

Its not a stretch to say that the same core of verteran, hard core, successful, multiple team owners who reside on these boards have very good reason to leave things the way they are. My point is, it is not a good sample size of the larger group of owners/players who never come here or if they do, don't say a word. They try the NFBC, they don't do well, they see the challenges and they leave. The Churn factor. My rant on this injury subject is more about owners having more choices and where the NFBC wants to go business wise. To grow, you have to make adjustments and constantly upgrade your product and offering to what your customers want. Granted NFBC has added different flavors, like fast drafts, 12 team primetime, but not to the concepts of the rules. It amazes me as to why the 12 team prime time has struggled during its first 2 years to increase the amount of teams/owners, probably a boatload of reasons better left for another discussion at another time.

Me personally I see both sides, but I always look to see how motivation plays into opinions. A league of 15 owners who all absolutely love the rules exactly as they are would be great for those 15 owners. They would all love that aspect and challenge in ways others might not like. Same with a league of 15 owners who like a total FA pool of all players that have say, 2 DL spots or 3-5 DL moves per year.

Bottom line, same discussion every year, injuries continue to rise and no changes. So for those that do not even think the whole injury discussion/ DL spots has merit and no changes should be made in the future, do not fear, nothing will probably change, because thats what the past 5 years of discussion or is it whining, say will happen.

[Outlaw]

The best Roto players are at NFBC.
The stakes are high at NFBC.

Why dumb down the game and make it "easier" for everyone?
Just step your game up.


Dead- that Makes no sense, FD is daily, one would have be to be an idiot to pick a player on the DL...geez

These guys would want the option to change out a player to get the points of his replacement.
Yes, it makes no sense. Yes, it's ridiculous.

THAT's the point. It doesn't make sense to change the rules based on short term rashes of injuries.
There are thousands of leagues for players who want to play with a DL. It's arrogant to show up where there's no DL and say "this game is too hard for me, you should change it to make it easier."

you don't have to be an asshole every post. i know that's your schtick, but putting words into people's mouths and demeaning their opinion/thoughts on a topic reflects more on you than them.
i have no qualms about the rules as is. we all know the rules when we sign up, and play by them. i can see both sides of the argument however and both have merit. this at least gives us something to discuss moving forward.

Well said NorCal. I saw he put words into my opinion that were not mine or my thoughts- oh well

[DOUGHBOYS]

Heck Mike, you're starting to make me feel bad about being a long time NFBC member

I do think it's unfair to say that long time NFBC players are resistant to change. Most of us were on board for twice-a-week moves.
I would like to see one pitcher changed every Friday. Some wouldn't.
Sure, we want to know what newbies are thinking. They are not being quashed or ridiculed. Most choose not to post.
I know 10 year veterans who also choose not to post.

The Message Boards are a cauldron. Ideas are thrown around. Some good. Some bad.
To Message Board posters, they can be educational and entertaining.
To Greg and Tom, it is information to be processed.
There's no scorecard though.
It almost seems as if 'veteran NFBC'ers are blamed for lack of rule changes. That is just wrong.
I doubt that Greg puts more credence in who posted an idea, over what the actual idea contained.
And when it is a thread six pages long, he knows and feels the passion behind ideas.

[Rainiers]

Those wanting a dl list will be the same ones wanting it abolished because other players found a way to game it.
An injured Cameron Maybin would be worth the same as a healthy Lucas Duda. Maybe even more so because Maybin could be stashed in dl, while Duda 'counts against us' on the bench.
Derek Holland, injury known, could still be taken in the middle of drafts, right beside a healthy Tim Lincecum with this rule change.
Theoretically, I can have seven folks on my bench, control Holland, Maybin, Zimmerman, and Hamilton on my dl and have a tremendous advantage later in the year over those with no injuries.
A dl bench seemingly helps the problem, but in practice, it only changes the game in a way that few would enjoy.

All this time, and I thought this thread was just the annual complaint session on injuries that are ravaging some teams out there. Didn't realize it had morphed into a rule change discussion.

For those who care about this topic and how various folks feel about it, this post best represents my view on the subject of a DL list.

[Yah Mule]

I have several teams with benches that are more or less inoperable due to a harsh combination of red crosses and spec plays such as minor leaguers and/or Boras clients and/or set-up men who are a frayed ligament away from relevance. Part bad luck, but I don't remember anybody coercing me to sprinkle not-ready-for-active-duty players across my rosters. In fact, while I weighed the possibility of early season roster inflexibility, I generally thought myself quite clever in stashing many of these players. In recent years, I've had to grit my teeth and wait for management to give players like Jansen, Chapman, Trout and Puig opportunities to contribute. I've also wasted draft picks and essentially nullified roster spots on Oscar Taveras last year and countless closers-in-waiting who are still waiting.

I agree with everybody who has said adding DL spots or extending rosters don't seem like good solutions. Gaming the DL spots will begin on draft day. This is an absolute certainty. Players who have fewer significant injuries over the course of the season are going to have better options regardless of the system in place. This is just one of the realities of the game, but we all assume the same risks. Some of us willingly assume more as a concession to strategy. Sometimes it pays off big and sometimes its a self imposed obstacle, but I don't like the idea of additional safety nets.

[Outlaw]

Heck Mike, you're starting to make me feel bad about being a long time NFBC member

I do think it's unfair to say that long time NFBC players are resistant to change. Most of us were on board for twice-a-week moves.
I would like to see one pitcher changed every Friday. Some wouldn't.
Sure, we want to know what newbies are thinking. They are not being quashed or ridiculed. Most choose not to post.
I know 10 year veterans who also choose not to post.

The Message Boards are a cauldron. Ideas are thrown around. Some good. Some bad.
To Message Board posters, they can be educational and entertaining.
To Greg and Tom, it is information to be processed.
There's no scorecard though.
It almost seems as if 'veteran NFBC'ers are blamed for lack of rule changes. That is just wrong.
I doubt that Greg puts more credence in who posted an idea, over what the actual idea contained.
And when it is a thread six pages long, he knows and feels the passion behind ideas.

That is certainly not my intent Dan. But when the only measurement of what is going on in the NFBC are these boards and its basically the same 50 posters year in and year out, those/us/we posters have possibly a perceived influence by others who do look in once in while, don't post, rarely visit. IMO Changes, Ideas, different types of league offering have to be measured and polled to include all, not just by the rants or ideas on these boards. You have probably read all every post here for years. Take an honest look at newbie posts, and their concerns, ideas, wishes, questions. More often than not they are attacked and blown out of the water as meritless and baseless and they then disappear.

I thought the poll the NFBC did on changing the FAAB time to 7pm was a very inclusive move and strategy to gauge the masses and where they could participate with no backlash.. They certainly got a lot more response than anything these boards would ever get. They used a legit polling venue and communicated the poll in various ways.

I'll borrow a page from the Mossato playbook, where he cares too about the NFBC and say that- after 5 or more years of the injury rants here at NFBC and the whole DL/No Dl issue, If I'm the NFBC, I get out in front of it right now, because it is becoming a bigger issue every year and gauge my owners/customers as to how they feel about the injury issue and what options might appeal to the majority. If they then get convincing and reliable data thats says makes some changes, they then have a solid 6-8 months to make the changes for next year and then promote those changes. If you don't ask the questions then you'll never know, but that is ignorance IMO and not good for business, unless all you are interested in status quo.

[Deadheadz]

I'm not sure why anyone thought I was saying people wanted to change the rules for the current season. I think 100% of us agree it's wrong to change the rules after the contest begins. That would be insane.

But I've read twice now that people got that impression. To be clear, I disagree with the idea of coming into an established contest and lobbying to change the rules for future seasons based on 4% of a single season of data.

[Fourslot40]

No DL. Injuries are part of the game. One year it works against you, another for you. I agree with Dough's post.

[Outlaw]

The best Roto players are at NFBC.
The stakes are high at NFBC.

Why dumb down the game and make it "easier" for everyone?
Just step your game up.

Next you'll want a DL slot on FanDuel.

Dead- that Makes no sense, FD is daily, one would have be to be an idiot to pick a player on the DL...geez

These guys would want the option to change out a player to get the points of his replacement.
Yes, it makes no sense. Yes, it's ridiculous.

THAT's the point. It doesn't make sense to change the rules based on short term rashes of injuries.
There are thousands of leagues for players who want to play with a DL. It's arrogant to show up where there's no DL and say "this game is too hard for me, you should change it to make it easier."

Dead- You are correct in the aspect that there are thousands, and quite frankly tens of thousands of other leagues in ESPN, CBS that all have DL's and thats one of a few reasons there are tens of thousands of owners paying into and playing in those leagues and there a lot of them that have $150-400 buyins. Also a lot of private leagues with DL's and with even higher amounts if you know where to look. If the NFBC wants to or chooses to ignore all those players, thats their choice by not wanting to change things at the NFBC. As I and others have said over a long period of time, the NFBC is better than all of them for a lot of unique reasons, but they should consider changes I would think for business reasons and customer Sat. Fantasy is becoming big business as time goes on. Daily is having a big impact too...

No one is saying change the NFBC core staples like the Main or Main rules, just consider other options /offerings is all. However it would be interesting even with something like the Main to get a thumbs up or down poll on DL/No DL or something like Friday pitching changes. I'm not advocating any position either way, I'm just saying get the data or the user pulse and these boards are not where to learn that. What worked 5 years ago my not be working anymore, but no one will know unless they measure. Those that espouse not changing, not offering different leagues with slightly different rules, not measuring, very well could be afraid of what the majority might want. The NFBC has a distinct and enjoyable feel to playing here, thats what many like about it, the live drafts and such, but if the plan is limited or incremental growth then do nothing I suppose an hope the churn rate can continue.

[Steel Lugnuts]

These guys would want the option to change out a player to get the points of his replacement.
Yes, it makes no sense. Yes, it's ridiculous.

THAT's the point. It doesn't make sense to change the rules based on short term rashes of injuries.
There are thousands of leagues for players who want to play with a DL. It's arrogant to show up where there's no DL and say "this game is too hard for me, you should change it to make it easier."[/quote]

Dead- You are correct in the aspect that there are thousands, and quite frankly tens of thousands of other leagues in ESPN, CBS that all have DL's and thats one of a few reasons there are tens of thousands of owners paying into and playing in those leagues and there a lot of them that have $150-400 buyins. Also a lot of private leagues with DL's and with even higher amounts if you know where to look. If the NFBC wants to or chooses to ignore all those players, thats their choice by not wanting to change things at the NFBC. As I and others have said over a long period of time, the NFBC is better than all of them for a lot of unique reasons, but they should consider changes I would think for business reasons and customer Sat. Fantasy is becoming big business as time goes on. Daily is having a big impact too...

No one is saying change the NFBC core staples like the Main or Main rules, just consider other options /offerings is all. However it would be interesting even with something like the Main to get a thumbs up or down poll on DL/No DL or something like Friday pitching changes. I'm not advocating any position either way, I'm just saying get the data or the user pulse and these boards are not where to learn that. What worked 5 years ago my not be working anymore, but no one will know unless they measure. Those that espouse not changing, not offering different leagues with slightly different rules, not measuring, very well could be afraid of what the majority might want. The NFBC has a distinct and enjoyable feel to playing here, thats what many like about it, the live drafts and such, but if the plan is limited or incremental growth then do nothing I suppose an hope the churn rate can continue.[/quote]

Voice of reason Outlaw, too bad others are too blind to at least listen. A couple years ago, I was new to NFFB and made a suggestion to add H2H leagues (but not to do anything with the current Roto format), and too possibly add a total points style league with a cut-line system. Football was able to do this, why not baseball? Well, BK and the rest of the regulars did there share of "bullying" for lack of another term, it was ridiculous.

Then what do know, Greg mentions the points style cut-line system they're thinking about doing, and it's now a great idea. Not sure exactly what BK thought of this to be fair, but I know others that ripped on me thought it was now a great idea. Just shows the mind set of some of the regulars on this board.

I also have not stayed away from these boards because a select few regulars gang up from time to time!

[EWeaver]

I believe that ME is awesome the way it is, AND that it represents an older style of fantasy baseball that's perfered by those who have played fantasy baseball for some time.

DL slots are expected by younger fantasy players.

Younger players who are into fantasy baseball to the point that they are willing to spend $1500 on an entry *probably* don't want W as a category...probably don't want BA...probably don't want HR...probably consider a Hold as being roughly as valuable as a SV (and probably dislike both stats, but understand their basic need in creating an RP market w/o simply requiring a certain number of RP in the lineup)...Probably don't want two C slots...not hardcore SABR but also not the classic stats they don't pay attn to anymore...

I guess I'm saying my takeaway from this discussion is less "should vs shouldn't there be a DL slot," and more: "is there growth opportunity in an ME2.0 (Millenial Event), while leaving ME alone." I think there is room for both. ME is gonna get about 400 entries, that is pretty well established, right (honestly asking)? I think Millenial Event with modern-nerd / hipster stat categories and some structural tweaks would surpass that (in a few years), while attracting a younger user base AND w/o canibalizing the current ME base who probably absolutely hate everything I just said!

[Steel Lugnuts]

I believe that ME is awesome the way it is, AND that it represents an older style of fantasy baseball that's perfered by those who have played fantasy baseball for some time.

DL slots are expected by younger fantasy players.

Younger players who are into fantasy baseball to the point that they are willing to spend $1500 on an entry *probably* don't want W as a category...probably don't want BA...probably don't want HR...probably consider a Hold as being roughly as valuable as a SV (and probably dislike both stats, but understand their basic need in creating an RP market w/o simply requiring a certain number of RP in the lineup)...Probably don't want two C slots...not hardcore SABR but also not the classic stats they don't pay attn to anymore...

I guess I'm saying my takeaway from this discussion is less "should vs shouldn't there be a DL slot," and more: "is there growth opportunity in an ME2.0 (Millenial Event), while leaving ME alone." I think there is room for both. ME is gonna get about 400 entries, that is pretty well established, right (honestly asking)? I think Millenial Event with modern-nerd / hipster stat categories and some structural tweaks would surpass that (in a few years), while attracting a younger user base AND w/o canibalizing the current ME base who probably absolutely hate everything I just said!

I don't really think anyone is saying change the way ME is being run.

[Steel Lugnuts]

I haven't been playing fantasy baseball all that long and didn't even realize there are other sites out there that utilize DL spots, good to know. I have been in football leagues that have IR as an option.

[Steel Lugnuts]

AJ Burnett cleared to start Wednesday...now there's someone I wish would go on the DL, for good.

[DOUGHBOYS]

No one is saying change the NFBC core staples like the Main or Main rules, just consider other options /offerings is all. However it would be interesting even with something like the Main to get a thumbs up or down poll on DL/No DL or something like Friday pitching changes. I'm not advocating any position either way, I'm just saying get the data or the user pulse and these boards are not where to learn that. What worked 5 years ago my not be working anymore, but no one will know unless they measure. Those that espouse not changing, not offering different leagues with slightly different rules, not measuring, very well could be afraid of what the majority might want. The NFBC has a distinct and enjoyable feel to playing here, thats what many like about it, the live drafts and such, but if the plan is limited or incremental growth then do nothing I suppose an hope the churn rate can continue.

I want to address this.

Mike, you haven't even come up with a new rule. You have an idea. Sure, a dl list would probably be voted in by many.
Ok, now what are the rules?
Can we have as many as we want on this dl list?
Can we draft dl'ed players?
If drafting a dl'ed player, are we allowed to go to round 31, 32, 33, or 34 to fill out the bench of our regular roster?
Does it affect our bench in anyway?
Does the timing of a dl'ed player effect our lineups?

In many ways, Mike, you are putting the cart before the horse. You want a survey to get other members feelings on a dl list.
Most of these folks would vote without seeing the ramifications on the Message Board first.
Most votes would be knee jerk. "Sure, a dl list would be cool"!
THAT is why it is good to have discussions here!
On a broad plane, a dl list sounds good. And you may even get over a 50 per cent majority because it does sound like a plausible way to fight injuries. But, as others and I have described, a rule with loopholes is not a good rule at all.

Hearing ideas on the Message Board is merely the first step in introducing new rules. If putting a vote out to everybody, without everybody seeing all the ramifications, what good has come of it?
I have never seen one idea brought up by a new player that was shot down summarily because somebody did not want change.
What I have seen is somebody like 'Gunslinger' (I think that was his name) challenge Gekko to a war of words.
And I've seen some self-professed financial guy who disagreed with KJ.
Those are more widely seen then somebody with a new idea.
Some have brought up trading, some vickory, and other ideas that they thought were new too.
They weren't. Neither is the disabled list.
From what I've seen, in order for a rule to become plausible, it has to test the bullet proof-ness of the Message Boards.
There are holes in the DL Rule change.
The Message Boards has brought that out.
It wasn't the old guard who doesn't want change.
It wasn't an idea by a new fella.
It's the rule itself.
It's a rule with more questions than answers.
It's a rule with holes. Many holes.
This discussion has helped in knowing that..

[Deadheadz]

No DL. Injuries are part of the game. One year it works against you, another for you. I agree with Dough's post.

+1

[Deadheadz]

Bottom line, something you can all agree upon:

If Deadheadz wins an overall in 2014 because every other team had too many injuries, the rules should change.

[Steel Lugnuts]

Bottom line, something you can all agree upon:

If Deadheadz wins an overall in 2014 because every other team had too many injuries, the rules should change.

Hey, something we can agree upon!

And actually, that position eligibility countdown thread was a good idea, got to give you props on that one.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Maybe good news is on the way:

Boston Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia does not have a fracture in his left wrist, a development a baseball source called "great news" on Monday afternoon.

Another source told ESPNBoston.com earlier Monday that things looked good so far but that further tests were scheduled.

Pedroia was scratched from the lineup Sunday against the New York Yankees after reporting soreness in his left wrist, stemming from a play that occurred the previous weekend in Boston.

Also from Bob Dutton:

#Mariners' tentative plan for Iwakuma: bullpen session tomorrow, simulated game Saturday, then a rehab assignment (probably at Tacoma).

[Outlaw]

No one is saying change the NFBC core staples like the Main or Main rules, just consider other options /offerings is all. However it would be interesting even with something like the Main to get a thumbs up or down poll on DL/No DL or something like Friday pitching changes. I'm not advocating any position either way, I'm just saying get the data or the user pulse and these boards are not where to learn that. What worked 5 years ago my not be working anymore, but no one will know unless they measure. Those that espouse not changing, not offering different leagues with slightly different rules, not measuring, very well could be afraid of what the majority might want. The NFBC has a distinct and enjoyable feel to playing here, thats what many like about it, the live drafts and such, but if the plan is limited or incremental growth then do nothing I suppose an hope the churn rate can continue.

I want to address this.

Mike, you haven't even come up with a new rule. You have an idea. Sure, a dl list would probably be voted in by many.
Ok, now what are the rules?
Can we have as many as we want on this dl list?
Can we draft dl'ed players?
If drafting a dl'ed player, are we allowed to go to round 31, 32, 33, or 34 to fill out the bench of our regular roster?
Does it affect our bench in anyway?
Does the timing of a dl'ed player effect our lineups?

In many ways, Mike, you are putting the cart before the horse. You want a survey to get other members feelings on a dl list.
Most of these folks would vote without seeing the ramifications on the Message Board first.
Most votes would be knee jerk. "Sure, a dl list would be cool"!
THAT is why it is good to have discussions here!
On a broad plane, a dl list sounds good. And you may even get over a 50 per cent majority because it does sound like a plausible way to fight injuries. But, as others and I have described, a rule with loopholes is not a good rule at all.

Hearing ideas on the Message Board is merely the first step in introducing new rules. If putting a vote out to everybody, without everybody seeing all the ramifications, what good has come of it?
I have never seen one idea brought up by a new player that was shot down summarily because somebody did not want change.
What I have seen is somebody like 'Gunslinger' (I think that was his name) challenge Gekko to a war of words.
And I've seen some self-professed financial guy who disagreed with KJ.
Those are more widely seen then somebody with a new idea.
Some have brought up trading, some vickory, and other ideas that they thought were new too.
They weren't. Neither is the disabled list.
From what I've seen, in order for a rule to become plausible, it has to test the bullet proof-ness of the Message Boards.
There are holes in the DL Rule change.
The Message Boards has brought that out.
It wasn't the old guard who doesn't want change.
It wasn't an idea by a new fella.
It's the rule itself.
It's a rule with more questions than answers.
It's a rule with holes. Many holes.
This discussion has helped in knowing that..

hey Dan, the issue is injuries and the discussion is about what are the options and there have been ideas suggested over many years by some board posters on what the changes could be and even ideas in this thread. This is not about reinventing the wheel. I've made a strong suggestion to offer different games. Leave the old stuff in place if some like it. Choice is what I'm advocating, that and at least finding out how owners/customers feel is all. Some say that owners will "game" the changes, well it is a game and it is full of strategy. If the perceived "gaming" of any new roster/DL rules cause glaring issues, then it can be easily fixed and tweaked. That argument is old and tired and only seen on these boards. Injuries are not going away anytime soon and will continue the current trend upward.

How about the online draft leagues, the most popular NFBC offering by ownership that has FAAB, the DCs have no FAAB, same scoring rules, 32 man roster and 2 DL spots. Still draft your base 30. First FAAB you can bid on 2 DL players if you choose or move players you drafted to the DL who went on the DL prior to first FAAB and replace them without having to drop 2 players. 12 teams equals 24 DL players max for the league that are removed from the player pool. 24 more players are not going to kill the player pool in 12 teamers and it might make the 15 teamers harder to find a decent replacement, but even in those 15 teamers there would still be options. Dont want to spend FAAB on DL players then dont. don't want to roster a DL player in a DL spot, then don't. Only DL players can occupy a DL slot. Each team would have to always have 30 active players just like now. They could have 2 players in a reserve DL spot. At any time any team can put a DL player into their lineup, say if they are coming off the DL on a tuesday or pitcher coming off anytime that week. If they don't come off for some reason, that team is stuck with player in the lineup just like now.

There are 122 MLB players on the DL right now. A lot will come off in the next 7-30 days. Almost all will come of the DL at sometime during the season, excepting the ones out for the year. A team still is making decisions on who to keep, DL, etc... the weekly FAAB pain because of injuries will be reduced though.

Majority of owners don't come to the msg boards at least not often. Bullet proof approval/buy-in off the message boards, I don't see it sorry. As for a knee jerk votes, I would give more credit to people who play fantasy. Do a real poll with a real clear writeup attached to the poll articulating what the proposed changes/options are. Take the results and then see what they say and make a decision. If owners want to come the board to see what others think, thats fine too before they would vote their opinion on any change.

Don't want to poll or ask ,then don't. Want to go off what is opined, ranted and genuinely thrown around as a haphazard ideas, moaning, bitches, groaning, complaints, in these boards by a small pct of owners, then don't poll and don't ask and don't change because you will never really know how your owners/customers feel.

But, offer the same 12 team online leagues both as a No DL league option and one as a DL league option. Let the signups speak for themselves and you'll have your answer. As you said or suspect, the majority may very well want a DL option league. You could do the same with the DCs and Mains too. Let the people spending their money choose. The time has come to address injuries and roster size. These are not $10-20 buyin leagues and no owner should have a drafted team blown out of the water early because of injuries and at the rate they are occurring these days. Most owners know if they already have 3-4 injuries they face a major uphill battle staying competitive, and solely based on injuries. Injuries are part of the game, but the game is changing and so is the amount of injuries.

At the end of the day all it is modified increases in roster size. To me it doesn't sound that complicated and that's only giving it 20 mins of thought to any specified changes. Those who read this will poke holes in the base assumptions I just outlined, but give me 5 days and I'll write entire rules book and pull in 20 experienced players and eliminate all the Gaming or holes. It's all doable, just like pitching changes can be too.

Where there is a will and desire to make improvements, there is a way. No will or desire, no changes then. But hey, its not my business, but if it was I would be out on front of this injury issue, just like MLB will be doing in the coming years and I would ask my customers what they might like to see, high level ideas, gauge their concerns, interest. If the majority don't see any problems then change nothing and I'm not saying change just because 51% say to change. 65-85% or some other number reveals truly how any majority feels. I see 51%, maybe nothing changes.

[Deadheadz]

According to ESPN:

If Taijuan Walker has no troubles with his rehab start Tuesday, he could start for Seattle on Sunday.

[Fourslot40]

I can't believe the character size of some of these posts. The last thing I want to do after working all day is read or write anything of such length. I like bullet points after about 3pm on weekdays. After that, to me it just looks like someone sat on the keyboard and did the macarena for about 20 seconds.