NFBC Lifetime Rankings

[KJ Duke]

Updated for 2013, the first TEN years of the NFBC Classic!

Blogger is having issues right now, so I can't update on the blog ... I will post the highest ranked teams below and update the blog at some later date.

One note on this year's rankings ... I've never had a good solution for listing partners, especially for owners who partnered with different people and/or managed teams on their own. This year I came up with a formal method for how to handle partners in the ranking. Below is the full ranking methodology with item #5 addressing partnerships. If I have a partnership for you listed incorrectly, let me know at my kjduke11-BSBL address at yahoo.

METHODOLOGY
(1) For each NFBC season, any team scoring above the average overall score (rounded to the nearest percentage point) accumulates points equal to its percentage above the average. For example, if the league average is 1000 points and a team scores 1200 points, that player scored 20 percentage points (200/1000) above the average and is awarded 20 points. Teams scoring below the average points score zero.

(2) Points are weighted to give slightly higher value to more recent years; each season's point total is increased 10% over the prior season. Recent results are weighted such that the rankings remain both current and relevant because as players become more experienced the game and/or degree of difficulty may change.

(3) Next, each player's career points are totaled and divided by an index equal to the sum of the weighted number of years for the contest. For example, after two seasons the index would be 2.1 (1.0 for the first season and 1.1 for the second season).

(4) Finally, one hundred points is added to each player's total points to reflect the equivalent annual points scored above average. For example, a score of 120 would indicate that a player scored on average 120% of the league average points per season over the history of the NFBC (adjusted for the year weightings).

(5) If teams are actively managed by one or more partners, those partners will be ranked together on the list as a team. Financial (only) partners are not listed in cases where that is known. If players have accumulated points both individually and as a partner in different seasons or with different teams, they will be ranked twice - once in the partnership with the correspondiong accumulated points, and individually, reflecting their cumulative individual points plus one-half of their partnership points.

[KJ Duke]

NFBC 2013 Lifetime Rankings
1 - Stephen Jupinka (170)
2 - Andy Nolan & Chris Stephenson (149)
3 - Rick Thomas (140)
4 - Kevin Kirves (138)
5 - KJ Duke (137)
6 - Lindy Hinkelman (135)
7 - Shawn Childs (135)
8 - Dan Kenyon (133)
9 - Jason Duponte (133)
10 - David Deterra (133)

11 - David DiDonato (132)
12 - Mark Srebro (132)
13 - Dave Potts (132)
14 - Glenn Lowy (131)
15 - Steve Wells (131)
16 - Martin Bedell (130)
17 - Richard VanFleet (129)
18 - Bob Particelli (129)
19 - Michael Edelman (129)
20 - Dan Semsel & Ken Norred (127)

21 - Nick Cassavetes (127)
22 - Jon Stadtmueller (127)
23 - Bob Mazur (126)
24 - Ari Benjamin (126)
25 - Kenneth Norred (125)
26 - Gino Yu (125)
27 - Scott Jenstad (125)
28 - Gregory Glukhovsky (125)
29 - Chris Plouffe (124)
30 - Eric Albright & David Shoup (124)

31 - Pat Tremaglio & Kevin Sullivan (123)
32 - John Pausma (123)
33 - Ty Parsons (123)
34 - Jeffrey Dobies (123)
35 - Brian Oakchunas (123)
36 - Chris Schinker (123)
37 - Ken Magner & Frank Cracolice (123)
38 - Dave Clum (122)
39 - John Hogan (122)
40 - Kevin Schiller (122)

41 - Ken Magner (122)
42 - Eric Price (121)
43 - Mike Cameron & Ron Spurgeon (121)
44 - Andrew Robinson (121)
45 - Rob Silver (121)
46 - Clark Olson (121)
47 - David VanDerStuyf (120)
48 - William Tyrer (120)
49 - Eddie Gillis (120)
50 - Paul Weber (120)

51 - David Longood (120)
52 - Winston Sapigao (120)
53 - Leonard Ringle (120)
54 - Chad Schroeder (120)
55 - John Rundle (119)
56 - Pat Depirro (119)
57 - Terrence Haney (119)
58 - KC Cha (119)
59 - Michael Leone (119)
60 - Anthony Palavis & Eric Burd (119)

61 - Stephen Fiore (119)
62 - Win Murray & Ray Murphy (118)
63 - Dallas Jones (118)
64 - Rob Zamojski (118)
65 - Joe Kruk (118)
66 - Phillip Mcdonald (118)
67 - Rusty Clark (118)
68 - Ned Donohue (118)
69 - Keith Voight (118)
70 - Kris Carroll (117)

71 - Paul Gromek (117)
72 - Chris Beeler (117)
73 - Jaime Baird (117)
74 - Roger Garvin (117)
75 - David Shovein (117)
76 - David Geisinger (117)
77 - Donn Johnson (116)
78 - Karl Mische (116)
79 - Laurence Edelman (116)
80 - Ty Parsons & Greg Headrick (116)

81 - Anthony Palavis (116)
82 - Tim Short (115)
83 - David Zwickel (115)
84 - Jason Steeves (115)
85 - Roy Ericson (115)
86 - Lopi Asch (115)
87 - Carl Borgatti (114)
88 - James Bradtke (114)
89 - Greg & Dale Morgan (114)
90 - Michael Makula (114)

91 - Mike Diedrich (114)
92 - Dan Satinoff (114)
93 - Patrick Raney (114)
94 - Henry Tang (114)
95 - Tom Zarogiannos (114)
96 - Bobby Jurney (114)
97 - Joe Anthony (114)
98 - Larry Schechter (114)
99 - J.T. Visco (114)
100 - Jack Haan (113)

[KJ Duke]

A total of 789 players are ranked, I'll post here down to the top 250.

101 - Mike Cameron (113)
102 - Scott Zeidman (113)
103 - Lenny Diveglio (113)
104 - Dave Taylor (113)
105 - Cory Schwartz (113)
106 - Gene Mccaffrey (113)
107 - Edward Nolan (113)
108 - Keith Mininson (113)
109 - Billy Mcaleer (113)
110 - Henry/Shick Tang & William Shinn (113)

111 - Peter Plati (113)
112 - Anson Chan (112)
113 - Eric Albright (112)
114 - Scott Fleming (112)
115 - Mike Duggan (112)
116 - Jim Christie & Tim Mccarthy (112)
117 - Matthew Shepherd (112)
118 - Brent Grooms (112)
119 - David Conkey & Matthew Snoga (112)
120 - Greg Marta (112)

121 - Michael Samuels (112)
122 - Jim Christie (112)
123 - Craig Kielinski (112)
124 - Joseph Anello (112)
125 - Artie Rastelli (111)
126 - Todd Zola (111)
127 - Scott Vetter (111)
128 - John Noeske (111)
129 - Mark Yagan (111)
130 - Shawn Childs & Chris Schinker (111)

131 - Mike O`Connor (111)
132 - T L (111)
133 - Oscar Solamillos (111)
134 - Rey Diaz (111)
135 - Chris Poulson (111)
136 - David Cushard (111)
137 - Josh Honeycutt (111)
138 - Wayne Edwards (110)
139 - Albert Petit (110)
140 - Josh Jantas (110)

141 - Matt Hickok (110)
142 - Robert Sargent (110)
143 - Donald Warner (110)
144 - Dohn Terrell (110)
145 - Douglas Jaffe (110)
146 - Gary Cutler (110)
147 - Cory Sarge (110)
148 - Ronny Mor & Vlad Sedler (110)
149 - Richard Mccormick (110)
150 - John Bono (110)

151 - Nick Cassavetes & Eric Price (110)
152 - Jason Aberli (110)
153 - Greg Morgan (110)
154 - Bill Strickler (110)
155 - Tim Miller (110)
156 - Neal Moses & Charlie Casey (110)
157 - Todd Nord (110)
158 - Jeff Thomas (110)
159 - Scott Newman (110)
160 - Brian & Jared Eagle (110)

161 - Eddy Betancourt (110)
162 - Ray Murphy (110)
163 - Joshua Sack (109)
164 - Chris Throop & RT Davis (109)
165 - Marc Perlmutter (109)
166 - Kevin Cummings (109)
167 - Pat DePirro & Doug Cassidy (109)
168 - Aaron Seefeldt (109)
169 - James Li (109)
170 - Kent Stermon (109)

171 - Matthew Anderson (109)
172 - Erik Sudigala (109)
173 - Diego Hootenanny (109)
174 - Don Brady (109)
175 - Brian Zirlin (109)
176 - Robert Fitzgerald (109)
177 - John Dean (109)
178 - Brian Walton (109)
179 - Anson Chan & Winston Sapigao (109)
180 - Henry Cantrell (109)

181 - Andre Bourcier (109)
182 - Thomas Greenwald (109)
183 - Joe Martino (108)
184 - Scott Keikoan (108)
185 - Chris Fessler (108)
186 - Rich Verost (108)
187 - Kevin Bass (108)
188 - George Puhl (108)
189 - George & Sandi Kleemann (108)
190 - Andy Eldridge (108)

191 - Todd Lepow (108)
192 - Robert Green & Peter Berall (108)
193 - Josh Blumenreich & Lowell Kaplan (108)
194 - Erik Konyk (108)
195 - Tom Lord (108)
196 - Eric Peden (108)
197 - Randy Barbour (108)
198 - Roger Martin (108)
199 - Chris Hill (108)
200 - Korey Gardner (108)

201 - Kelly Uganski (108)
202 - John Kerr (108)
203 - Eddie Betancourt & Mike Wilson (108)
204 - Kyle Borth (108)
205 - Aaron Smith (108)
206 - Greg Doyle & Duran Holton (108)
207 - Mike Massotto (108)
208 - Johnny Bosch (108)
209 - Sam Botnick (108)
210 - Michael Sonday (107)

211 - John Lemke (107)
212 - Michael Leone & Joshua Coleman (107)
213 - Michael Crescenzi (107)
214 - Jules Mclean (107)
215 - Matt Sterk (107)
216 - Ronny Mor (107)
217 - David Dorfman (107)
218 - Brian Oldenski (107)
219 - Vince Clemente & Bryan Paul (107)
220 - Ross Longood (107)

221 - Dave Mcdonald (107)
222 - Shawn Johnson (107)
223 - Emmett Ruland (107)
224 - Fred Zinkie (107)
225 - Donn Johnson & Rick Kanfer (107)
226 - J.P. Kastner (107)
227 - Craig Wiley & James Arney (107)
228 - Aaron Smith & Scott Williams (107)
229 - Michael Becker (107)
230 - Todd & Bill Macey (107)

231 - Richard Kulaski (107)
232 - Billy Wu (107)
233 - Ken O'Brien (107)
234 - Jeff Butler (107)
235 - Alan Greenberg (107)
236 - Edward Klein (107)
237 - Charles Gillespie (107)
238 - J.T. Visco & Chris Worstell (107)
239 - David Biester (107)
240 - Richard Lepow (107)

241 - Sean Brinlee (107)
242 - Joe Berg (107)
243 - Nate Ravitz (107)
244 - Laurence Curtis (107)
245 - Jeff Meyer (107)
246 - Charles Gillespie & Brian Rudd (107)
247 - Bruce Bevacqua (107)
248 - Jason Santucci (107)
249 - Rob Conti (107)
250 - Marc Ewing-Chow (107)

[KJ Duke]

A few comments on this year's rank.

• The top two are unchanged. Jupinka and the Andy Nolan/C Stephenson duo are just unbelievably consistent.
• Rick Thomas jumps from 10th all the way to 3rd place. He was leading the overall early in the year and ended up having three very good main event teams.
• Joining the top 10 this season: Kevin Kirves, who shoots all the way up to #4 on the back of 2 very strong teams in each of the last two seasons, impressive; and Jason DuPonte, who had three solid teams this season in the main event and has had at least one strong main event team for four consecutive seasons (not many players have accomplished that).
• Joining the top 20 were Dave Potts, last season's champ proving he's still hungry with another strong year; Glenn Lowy, who despite not playing in the first five NFBC seasons broke in at #14, moving steadily higher each year; Richard Van Fleet, who had a big season outside of the classic event too; Bob Particelli, who also took a Diamond league title this year; Michael Edelman, a long-time high finisher in the NFBC; and last but not least, this year's champion parternship of Dan Semsel and Kenny Norred will be collecting a big check in addition to sliding into the #20 slot all-time.

[Glenneration X]

Thanks for the effort in putting this together every season KJ and for helping keep the history of this contest we all love to play.

[Navel Lint]

Updated for 2013, the first TEN years of the NFBC Classic!


METHODOLOGY


(2) Points are weighted to give slightly higher value to more recent years; each season's point total is increased 10% over the prior season. Recent results are weighted such that the rankings remain both current and relevant because as players become more experienced the game and/or degree of difficulty may change.

It's your rankings, so your rules.

I was just wondering, could you go into further detail on the decision behind point 2 of your methodology.

Also, if you have the time or interest, could you tell us where Player A and Player B would rank in your current standings.

Player A: finished 100th Overall in years '08, '09, '10 and 10th Overall in years '11, '12, '13
Player B: finished 10th Overall in years '08, '09, '10 and 100th Overall in years '11, 12, '13
(assume the points earned for those years are the same as the actual points that were required to finish in those spots)

I'm not challenging your rankings, as I said, they are your rankings and you do a great job of putting them together. I'm just curious about how your methodology effects the outcome of the rankings.

(Edited to change 200th place finishes to 100th place finishes. It will give a more accurate representation as to where these players would stand in current rankings)

[TParsons]

Thanks for doing this, KJ. If you could spend more time doing things like this instead of managing your football teams, it would be much appreciated.

[KJ Duke]

Updated for 2013, the first TEN years of the NFBC Classic!

METHODOLOGY

(2) Points are weighted to give slightly higher value to more recent years; each season's point total is increased 10% over the prior season. Recent results are weighted such that the rankings remain both current and relevant because as players become more experienced the game and/or degree of difficulty may change.

It's your rankings, so your rules.

I was just wondering, could you go into further detail on the decision behind point 2 of your methodology.

Also, if you have the time or interest, could you tell us where Player A and Player B would rank in your current standings.

Player A: finished 100th Overall in years '08, '09, '10 and 10th Overall in years '11, '12, '13
Player B: finished 10th Overall in years '08, '09, '10 and 100th Overall in years '11, 12, '13
(assume the points earned for those years are the same as the actual points that were required to finish in those spots)

I'm not challenging your rankings, as I said, they are your rankings and you do a great job of putting them together. I'm just curious about how your methodology effects the outcome of the rankings.

(Edited to change 200th place finishes to 100th place finishes. It will give a more accurate representation as to where these players would stand in current rankings)

Sure. There are guys that were good 5 years ago when someone like Glenn Lowy wasn't even playing ... who's the more feared competitor now? That's what I am trying to get at in the weighting - those past results lose 10% in value each year for everyone so it's not that like they are meaningless, but if you quit (or quit being good) you are on an inevitable slippery slope down, no matter how good you used to be. I also think the game changes - in real baseball players get better, stronger, faster ... in the NFBC we get smarter, more strategic and have access to increasingly more info and better technology. All else equal, being good long ago still comes into play, just a little less so each season.

As for the math problem ... ... I will assume for sake of argument that 10th overall would score a 50 each season and 100th scores a 20. The better, more recent team would be ranked 24th overall right now with 126 pts, the better earlier on team would be ranked 32nd with 123 pts.

[CASS]

KJ is there any weighting for # of leagues etc? - meaning if a player enters 4 main teams a year vs someone entering 1 of course they will accumulate more points far often then not.

[KJ Duke]

KJ is there any weighting for # of leagues etc? - meaning if a player enters 4 main teams a year vs someone entering 1 of course they will accumulate more points far often then not.

There is not. More play equals more opportunity to prove you're good, but you don't get points for being average. Half the entries each year score a zero. This is a lifetime rank of cumulative success.

[Vander]

I look forward to the list every year. Thanks for keeping it up.

[KJ Duke]

I'll try to get this updated over the next week.

Sure seems like we'll have some movement near the top this season after some top 10 guys had off years and some top 20 or top 50 guys coming through with a stellar season!

[KJ Duke]

Just starting to wade thru all the data, but here are the top 10 main event players based on 2014 only (percentage points scored above the mean, on a combined teams basis):

1 Jon Stadtmueller +121 pct pts (previously ranked 22nd) led the way thanks to 2 teams in the overall top 11
2 Alan Greenberg +104 (prev 235th), who I believe Greg said was the only player to win 2 main event leagues this season
3 Eric John (Heidelberg?) +100 (prev 719th) had 3 solid teams
4 KC Cha +99 (EDIT - missed this one earlier)
5 KJ Duke +92 (prev 5th) ditto for my squads, 3 good teams
6 Jon Izenstark/T&B Macey +87 (prev 497th) had two strong teams
7 Lindy Hinkleman +85 (prev 6th) had yet another top 10 squad plus another that just missed the top 100
8 Jason DuPonte +76 (prev 9th) had a top 10 team plus two other plus teams
9 Michael Edelman +74 (prev 19th) had 2 strong teams
10 Greg & Dale Morgan +73 (prev 89th), who won the overall, were the only top 10 scorer with a single team
11 Kevin Kirves +71 (prev 4th) had two strong teams

Likewise, it looks like close to half of the previous top 10 had an off year with minimal or zero points scored above the mean, so we could have more movement around the top 10 than in recent years.

Updated lifetime to come later this week.

[KJ Duke]

The new Top 100 Lifetime Main Event players through 2014 (with points and net change in rank):

1 - Stephen Jupinka (163) n/c
2 - KJ Duke (145) +3
3 - Andy Nolan (145) -1
4 - Kevin Kirves (143) n/c
5 - Lindy Hinkelman (143) +1
6 - Jason Duponte (140) +3
7 - Jon Stadtmueller (140) +15
8 - Shawn Childs (139) -1
9 - Rick Thomas (138) -6
10 - David Deterra (135) n/c

11 - Michael Edelman (135) +8
12 - Dave Potts (135) +1
13 - David DiDonato (133) -2
14 - Nick Cassavetes (131) +7
15 - KC Cha (130) +43
16 - Ken Magner (129) +25
17 - Ty Parsons & Greg Headrick (129) +63
18 - Rob Silver (129) +27
19 - Mark Srebro (129) -7
20 - Dan Kenyon (129) -12

21 - Martin Bedell (128) -5
22 - Mike Cameron & Ron Spurgeon (128) +79
23 - Michael Leone (127) +36
24 - Glenn Lowy (127) -10
25 - Greg & Dale Morgan (127) +64
26 - Gregory Glukhovsky (126) +2
27 - Steve Wells (126) -12
28 - Jeffrey Dobies (126) +6
29 - Stephen Fiore (126) +32
30 - Chad Schroeder (126) +24

31 - Bob Mazur (126) -8
32 - Richard VanFleet (125) -15
33 - Eric Albright & David Shoup (125) -3
34 - Bob Particelli (125) -16
35 - Dan Semsel & Ken Norred (125) -15
36 - Clark Olson (124) +10
37 - Anthony Palavis & Eric Burd (124) +23
38 - John Hogan (124) +1
39 - Kenneth Norred (123) +2
40 - Win Murray & Ray Murphy (122) +22

41 - Ari Benjamin (122) -17
42 - Michael Makula (122) +48
43 - Eddie Gillis (122) +6
44 - Gino Yu (121) -18
45 - Scott Jenstad (121) -18
46 - John Pausma (121) -14
47 - Chris Plouffe (121) -18
48 - Chris Schinker (121) -12
49 - Lenny Diveglio (121) +54
50 - Pat Depirro (121) +6

51 - Alan Greenberg (121) +184
52 - Ned Donohue (120) +16
53 - Jon Izenstark & Bill &Todd Macey (120) +177
54 - Roger Garvin (120) +20
55 - Pat Tremaglio & Kevin Sullivan (120) -24
56 - William Tyrer (120) -8
57 - Brian Oakchunas (119) -22
58 - John Rundle (119) -3
59 - Dave Clum (119) -21
60 - Kevin Schiller (119) -20

61 - Scott Zeidman (119) +41
62 - David Geisinger (119) +14
63 - Richard Kulaski (119) +168
64 - Eric Price (118) -22
65 - Kris Carroll (118) +5
66 - Leonard Ringle (118) -13
67 - John Riccio (118) n/a
68 - Andrew Robinson (118) -24
69 - David Shovein (118) +6
70 - Jim Christie (118) +42

71 - Anson Chan (118) +41
72 - David VanDerStuyf (118) -25
73 - Neal Moses & Charlie Casey (117) +83
74 - Henry & Shick Tang (117) +20
75 - Paul Weber (117) -25
76 - David Longood (117) -25
77 - Phillip Mcdonald (117) -11
78 - Terrence Haney (116) -21
79 - Keith Mininson (116) +39
80 - Rusty Clark (116) +13

81 - Dan Satinoff (116) +11
82 - Dallas Jones (116) -19
83 - Rob Zamojski (116) -19
84 - Joe Kruk (116) -19
85 - Larry Schechter (115) +13
86 - David Zwickel (115) -3
87 - Keith Voight (115) -18
88 - Paul Gromek (115) -17
89 - Chris Beeler (115) -17
90 - JT Visco (115) +9

91 - Jaime Baird (115) -18
92 - Winston Guest (115) n/a
93 - Sam Botnick (115) +116
94 - Dave Taylor (115) +10
95 - Eric John (115) +624
96 - Bill Strickler (114) +58
97 - Patrick Raney (114) -4
98 - Donn Johnson (114) -21
99 - Karl Mische (114) -21
100 - Laurence Edelman (114) -21

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Congrats to those ahead of Lindy. You are doing something right. He is number one in my ratings.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Thanks for doing these Lifetime Standings, KJ. This is great, great information. This looks great and it's fun to see folks moving up or down each year. Good job everyone and congrats.

[KJ Duke]

Thanks Greg, after 11 years I have 4400 data points. Looking over the raw data it is easy to see how difficult it is for players to stay consistent and maintain high rankings. There are good players out there that disappear for years from accumulating any points, so for those that can hang around the top 20 - they've done a lot of things right consistently to achieve and maintain that level.

We all know the guys that have won this contest ... those guys have their accolades (and $$$), but there are many others who are statistically very comparable but didn't get those extra few points at the right time. That's what this list is about - giving props to some of those guys who have done it quietly like Kevin Kirves, Jason DuPonte and Jon Stadtmueller. They haven't won any $100k pots, but the skill to get where they have suggests an extra ounce of luck and they would have.

Likewise, it's worth mentioning that Jupinka, who is coming off his worst season EVER in main events, still has a lead over #2 that is greater than the difference between the next 20 players. Lindy has the best track record for winning money in the main, but Jupinka remains the clear #1 all-time main event player statistically. Now, if he keeps crapping out like 2014 , Lindy or someone else may catch him in a few more years.

[DOUGHBOYS]

- giving props to some of those guys who have done it quietly like Kevin Kirves, Jason DuPonte and Jon Stadtmueller. They haven't won any $100k pots, but the skill to get where they have suggests an extra ounce of luck and they would have.

I would also add Andy Nolan and Ty Parsons to the list of 'quiet assassins'.
Andy should get recognition for the Hall of Fame.
He's as consistent as a sun rise.

[KJ Duke]

Congrats to those ahead of Lindy. You are doing something right. He is number one in my ratings.

Jupinka has out-scored Lindy in 7 of 11 seasons, with one tie and 3 losses. Jupinka has the better long-term record (in the Main only); who is the better player qualitatively or also taking into account other contests ... open to interpretation.

[KJ Duke]

- giving props to some of those guys who have done it quietly like Kevin Kirves, Jason DuPonte and Jon Stadtmueller. They haven't won any $100k pots, but the skill to get where they have suggests an extra ounce of luck and they would have.

I would also add Andy Nolan and Ty Parsons to the list of 'quiet assassins'.
Andy should get recognition for the Hall of Fame.
He's as consistent as a sun rise.

No doubt, Dan. I guess I didn't consider Andy as one doing it quietly since he's been really hard to beat since Day 1 of this contest. Andy's consistency is unmatched by anyone other than the guy in the one slot.

EDIT - Speaking of consistency, there are only 4 players in history who have finished with plus points in all 11 years of the contest: Jupinka, Nolan, Childs, Rick Thomas.

[KJ Duke]

The full list of players has been updated for 2014, posted here: ► http://NFBCPlayer.blogspot.com/ ◄

[Edwards Kings]

Tied for 112th...got you guys right where I want you....bwwwhahahahahahah!

[Glenneration X]

Thanks for doing this again KJ. In my mind, this has become the official rankings for our contest. Great job that I imagine takes some time and effort, but certainly adds to creating an historical context for our game.

[bmike]

Hey Kevin, Ron Spurgeon and I have partnered in all of our team events since 2004. Ron does a few teams alone but I shouldn't be listed twice. Also, thanks for all of the hard work in putting this together.
Mike Cameron

[Oaktown]

Great stuff, thanks for doing it KJ.

Damn, -18 in one year, that stings!