ROI

[Gekko]

New 12 team DC league concept!!!!

Good ole boy network vs "The others". 6 vs 6 with alternating draft slots. cumulative point total vs cumulative point toal

[Yellow Ledbetters]

KJ-

Your comment sounded creepily like you are way too much into your dog...
Whatever floats your boat.

You are right I don't care about you, just your money. Continue the circle jerk if you want to, or have the thread locked. I'm done. I've said my piece. I know you guys think you are hot shit because you are big fish in an incredibly small pond and don't like it when someone from the outside points out that your "accomplishments" are limited to this area.

I'm not going to lower myself to talking to a bunch of people who are below me. There is no ROI there. I'm going to focus on winning the contests I'm in. I don't want your respect just your cash. Continue to bicker if you want to I'm done.

Best of luck to each of you this year. I have a feeling fantasy baseball is all many of you have.
Good night and God bless.

[ALL-IN JD]

How many good-byes does this a-hole actually have?

[KJ Duke]

I'm not going to lower myself to talking to a bunch of people who are below me.

On behalf of those who have collectively won tens of millions over the years in comparison to your zero in winnings --- thank you two times. Once for not lowering yourself with any further talking, and twice for your ongoing financial support of our hobby. We really do appreciate it.

[Glenneration X]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

[ToddZ]

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[Quahogs]

"Go figure, ostracized by yet another segment of society. Buncha humps who needs them. My pupsy Rascal still loves me though, Yoo hoo Rascal, where you at ??? "

[sandckaye]

Stay tuned for the next chapter of " AS THE BASEBALL WORLD TURNS"

[Steel Lugnuts]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

It sure seems that way at times Glenn...I've pretty much felt this way when it comes to a few of the regulars on this board. I likened it to a Country Club, where the current members want nothing to do with the newbies. LOL

The Good Ole Boy Network sounds about right, at least how that's how I felt a couple years ago. I gave up commenting or making suggestions on this board since, so not sure what it's like nowadays. I do remember it getting pretty heated when the regulars don't like you or your ideas, like they own the joint.

[ikenbaseball]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but after a long day of work this is really entertaining. The back and forth makes for some fun reading. The pics are hilarious(the pigeon was classic). ROI 0 for 5 is zero......

Seems like Deadheadz has a new sidekick in Yellow Ledbetter. I, for one would be interested in doing a draft with Deadheadz, Yellow Ledbetter, KJ, COZ,Gekko and whoever else want to put their money where their mouth is. The Royal Rumble of baseball.

We can post the draft results and we track the stands on the message board as the season goes along. This would definitely be really great theater.

The chat room comments alone would be priceless...

Please sign me up for this entertaining draft(regardless of the price)

Krys

[Glenneration X]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

It sure seems that way at times Glenn...I've pretty much felt this way when it comes to a few of the regulars on this board. I likened it to a Country Club, where the current members want nothing to do with the newbies. LOL

The Good Ole Boy Network sounds about right, at least how that's how I felt a couple years ago. I gave up commenting or making suggestions on this board since, so not sure what it's like nowadays. I do remember it getting pretty heated when the regulars don't like you or your ideas, like they own the joint.

I'm sorry you feel that way Bruce. I can't really explain why though. I can't recall seeing any time that any of your posts were reacted to in a manner that would make you feel that way.

I suppose whenever someone new enters an established community, whether here or anywhere in life, there's the potential to feeling like an outsider.

Regarding these boards however, I can only look back at my own experience. It wasn't that long ago that I was a newcomer here. The NFBC had already been around for a half dozen years, these boards were just as established, and the board participants even more active and vociferous then. Yet I've never felt anything but welcomed.

That doesn't mean all my opinions or posts were agreed with. Not all KJ's are agreed with. Not all Doughy's. Obviously not all MtM's. Even Greg's and Tom's are often debated. However, they just come back for more and are all part of the family here. I think some others may take it personally when their posts or ideas aren't embraced immediately.

Jeez, more of my posts are disagreed with than agreed with. So what? My wife disagrees with me all the time. When I have a good idea or post that others like, it'll be agreed with. If not, it won't.

I think the difference with some, like Ledbetter for instance, is when their posts are not agreed with, they lash out or insult or react with some other childish response. At that point, yes, the community can sometimes close ranks and react in a heated way. However, I've never seen it just because a post is disagreed with. Respect breeds respect. Disrespect breeds disrespect. Here and everywhere.

Keep posting Bruce. You've always seemed like a good guy to me.

[Doctor Who]

May not be of popular opinion, but I actually don't mind Yellow spewing his tout around. Far too long, these message boards have been silent, so it is actually entertaining to have some back and forth jawing about who is better, etc. There always has to be a heel in the group to make it work (Go look at the WWE business model), so having someone think they are better than the group that has proven it year end and year out is entertaining. Does that mean I agree with him? Not in the slightest, as these are the best of the best that end up here and it is very likely he ends up eating crow at season's end, but in the meanwhile it is entertaining to see a fly buzzing about all the sharks.

I will say that this is all about respect, at least what it looks like from an outsiders view. But just like in life, respect is earned and not given. These "Good Ole Boys" have gotten the respect because they can actually back it up from tangible evidence. Does that mean that Yellow can't win or should stop talking? Not in the slightest (Plus where would the fun be in that?). But from experience Vegas would make some of these guys huge favorites to win in a head to head battle. But that is what makes the NFBC so great. Any given year, the little fly and can buzz his way up to the top. Maybe one of these years, this mosquito can make it there.

I will say I thought this way once. All about winning money. Not here to make friends. Then a few years back after getting my ass handed to me for a couple of years, I decided to blog about my team and follow in Edwards King's footstep by blogging about the other main event. Through that, I started to interact with some of my competitors, and wasn't worried about anyone's negativity, because hey, who the hell am I to say what's right and wrong on how to build a team or who to get. Anyways, back on topic. Through that blog, I was able to really see what the NFBC is all about, not only the competition that is out there but the family-ness (Just made up a word) of the people who play this game when my dad died suddenly last season in the middle of my first great run in the Online Championship finishing in the top 10. Some of these so called "Good Ole Boys" reached out to someone out of their "group" and were there to do the simple things, like talk baseball when they could have easily not said anything and moved back to their teams and I would have been none the wiser.

This year I'm hoping to strike up more conversations among these people who come to these events. Not because it help my ROI and the me against the world attitude, but because part of the ROI for me has become getting to know some of these guys. There aren't too many fantasy nuts, as even Yellow himself has said, that are willing to talk baseball with you at all hours of the day. That alone is worth more than getting a better ROI in my opinion. But like you said Yellow, I'm just a little mosquito, so who cares about my opinion.

[Baseball Furies]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

It sure seems that way at times Glenn...I've pretty much felt this way when it comes to a few of the regulars on this board. I likened it to a Country Club, where the current members want nothing to do with the newbies. LOL

The Good Ole Boy Network sounds about right, at least how that's how I felt a couple years ago. I gave up commenting or making suggestions on this board since, so not sure what it's like nowadays. I do remember it getting pretty heated when the regulars don't like you or your ideas, like they own the joint.

Awwww, don't be that way, Steel. Come back to the boards. We love you and we promise to play nicer.

[Doctor Who]

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This has become a nice go-to for a quick laugh.

[Baseball Furies]

I don't know about the rest of you guys but after a long day of work this is really entertaining. The back and forth makes for some fun reading. The pics are hilarious(the pigeon was classic). ROI 0 for 5 is zero......

Seems like Deadheadz has a new sidekick in Yellow Ledbetter. I, for one would be interested in doing a draft with Deadheadz, Yellow Ledbetter, KJ, COZ,Gekko and whoever else want to put their money where their mouth is. The Royal Rumble of baseball.

We can post the draft results and we track the stands on the message board as the season goes along. This would definitely be really great theater.

The chat room comments alone would be priceless...

Please sign me up for this entertaining draft(regardless of the price)

Krys

I'm up for a "Royal Rumble"! The one requirement is that it has to be a live, steel cage match with a draft taking place in the middle of it. Let's do it in Vegas next year. I'd even pay the airfare to fly a lot of these jackasses out for it. Not you KJ...or COZ...or Gekko. No wait, my mistake. Gekko is a jackass, almost forgot.


In this photo: The opening round of the "Royal Rumble Steel Cage Draft". Pictured MTM off the top of the cage. "The Yellow Coward" on the mat about to "reconsider" his ways.

[Baseball Furies]

May not be of popular opinion, but I actually don't mind Yellow spewing his tout around. Far too long, these message boards have been silent, so it is actually entertaining to have some back and forth jawing about who is better, etc. There always has to be a heel in the group to make it work (Go look at the WWE business model), so having someone think they are better than the group that has proven it year end and year out is entertaining. Does that mean I agree with him? Not in the slightest, as these are the best of the best that end up here and it is very likely he ends up eating crow at season's end, but in the meanwhile it is entertaining to see a fly buzzing about all the sharks.

I will say that this is all about respect, at least what it looks like from an outsiders view. But just like in life, respect is earned and not given. These "Good Ole Boys" have gotten the respect because they can actually back it up from tangible evidence. Does that mean that Yellow can't win or should stop talking? Not in the slightest (Plus where would the fun be in that?). But from experience Vegas would make some of these guys huge favorites to win in a head to head battle. But that is what makes the NFBC so great. Any given year, the little fly and can buzz his way up to the top. Maybe one of these years, this mosquito can make it there.

I will say I thought this way once. All about winning money. Not here to make friends. Then a few years back after getting my ass handed to me for a couple of years, I decided to blog about my team and follow in Edwards King's footstep by blogging about the other main event. Through that, I started to interact with some of my competitors, and wasn't worried about anyone's negativity, because hey, who the hell am I to say what's right and wrong on how to build a team or who to get. Anyways, back on topic. Through that blog, I was able to really see what the NFBC is all about, not only the competition that is out there but the family-ness (Just made up a word) of the people who play this game when my dad died suddenly last season in the middle of my first great run in the Online Championship finishing in the top 10. Some of these so called "Good Ole Boys" reached out to someone out of their "group" and were there to do the simple things, like talk baseball when they could have easily not said anything and moved back to their teams and I would have been none the wiser.

This year I'm hoping to strike up more conversations among these people who come to these events. Not because it help my ROI and the me against the world attitude, but because part of the ROI for me has become getting to know some of these guys. There aren't too many fantasy nuts, as even Yellow himself has said, that are willing to talk baseball with you at all hours of the day. That alone is worth more than getting a better ROI in my opinion. But like you said Yellow, I'm just a little mosquito, so who cares about my opinion.

Anytime, Wags. I'm all for chatting.

[Baseball Furies]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

I have to disagree with you, Glenn. As a card-carrying member of the NFBC Illuminati, you damn well know that we can't let his kind in or you of that matter.

[Glenneration X]

Jeez, I'm so sick of those ridiculous terms.... Good Ole Boy Network, Inner Circle, Illuminati, Old Guard, etc. etc.
What was it that Snake used to call it on the football boards... the Chum Chum Club?

Way too often when someone's ideas or opinions or mindless chatter aren't immediately embraced around these parts, they blame it on one or all of the above. There's no such thing. There's no mysterious group, no secret society. There's just comments to initial posts that called for them. If they are universal in their condemnation, maybe the one being condemned should look within at himself and what he's contributing instead of out at the message board community he's looking to contribute to.

Ledbetters, instead of blaming this non-existent club, how about you please just bring something worthwhile to the table and spew a little less venom.

I have to disagree with you, Glenn. As a card-carrying member of the NFBC Illuminati, you damn well know that we can't let his kind in or you of that matter.

C'mon Mikey, you know there's only one kinda fantasy baseball club you qualify for......

[KJ Duke]

It sure seems that way at times Glenn...I've pretty much felt this way when it comes to a few of the regulars on this board. I likened it to a Country Club, where the current members want nothing to do with the newbies. LOL

The Good Ole Boy Network sounds about right, at least how that's how I felt a couple years ago. I gave up commenting or making suggestions on this board since, so not sure what it's like nowadays. I do remember it getting pretty heated when the regulars don't like you or your ideas, like they own the joint.

I think the NFBC is like walking into anyplace where you are new, and others are not.

Here is a short list of things that I think it takes to be accepted into the community:
1• be interesting
2• be funny
3• be insightful
4• be intelligent
5• be respectful
........................ any one of them will do, lots of options for different personalities.

Here is a short list of things which will get you ridiculed:
1• be defensive
2• be delusional
3• be dis-respectful
4• be a whiner
5• be a really bad comic

It's not that hard to fit in here.

[Yah Mule]

Long time regulars on most message boards tend to project a reserved attitude to newcomers. This is perfectly natural and not even really done in a purposefully exclusionary way most of the time. The reality is most people are only going to post on any message board a certain number of times in any given day. It stands to reason they'll devote most (or all) of their replies to people they know. This is especially true on a board like this where many regulars interact in person on an annual basis and have developed mutual respect through a history of friendly competition against one another.

I think a lot of times a new poster will come to a board and see the banter between long time posters and they're over eager to get involved. If people ignore their initial attempts to join in with the group, they start trying harder to get noticed. This shot-out-of-a-cannon approach almost always backfires and soon they're attracting negative attention. They're already feeling rejected by the group so they decide negative attention is better than being ignored and a troll is born. I've seen this scenario play out with people on all kinds of message boards over the years. One other aspect about the NFBC board that's different than most is there's an entry fee (in draft dues) to become a pariah on this board.

Like some other posters here, I find it hard to dislike this guy. His flop sweat drenched attempts to troll Coz were so cartoonishly over-the-top it was practically performance art.

[mdecav]

Like some other posters here, I find it hard to dislike this guy. His flop sweat drenched attempts to troll Coz were so cartoonishly over-the-top it was practically performance art.

Try doing a DC with this arse. Someone in the league ruffled his feathers and he decided to spend the second half of the draft purposely stalling on his 8 hours not making a pick to spite the league.

[JohnP]

1. we all benefit from new folks coming on board
2. it is my experience that the "regulars" are great people both inside and outside of the draft room
3. KJ's dog would do better than 0-5

[Yah Mule]

Like some other posters here, I find it hard to dislike this guy. His flop sweat drenched attempts to troll Coz were so cartoonishly over-the-top it was practically performance art.

Try doing a DC with this arse. Someone in the league ruffled his feathers and he decided to spend the second half of the draft purposely stalling on his 8 hours not making a pick to spite the league.

I would definitely have a worse opinion about him if I had been in that draft. I cut way back on DC's this year because of behavior like that.

[Glenneration X]

I think a lot of times a new poster will come to a board and see the banter between long time posters and they're over eager to get involved. If people ignore their initial attempts to join in with the group, they start trying harder to get noticed. This shot-out-of-a-cannon approach almost always backfires and soon they're attracting negative attention. They're already feeling rejected by the group so they decide negative attention is better than being ignored and a troll is born. I've seen this scenario play out with people on all kinds of message boards over the years. One other aspect about the NFBC board that's different than most is there's an entry fee (in draft dues) to become a pariah on this board.

I feel this was a very insightful post that takes human nature into account.

However, I wonder if the feeling of entitlement that pervades our society today is part of the problem in the portion of your post I copied above. No one is entitled to having their posts responded to. If others feel it worthy of response, they will respond, or if they feel or want to add to the post, they will add. This goes for veteran and newcomer alike, regular poster or once in a blue moon contributor.

Just yesterday, several sparse NFBC message board posters started threads and had their posts responded to multiple times. The BEST Place to Stay in Vegas, Jansen, and Starling Marte threads were all started by infrequent posters and all received more responses than even the Let's See Some Cool Team Names thread started the same day by the most veteran of all our posters, Greg. Why? It's simple. If you post something that someone wants to respond to, they will. If not, they won't. It's that simple. There's nothing personal. It's not an exclusive club. No one, not myself, not Doughy, not KJ, not Greg, not any vet, not any newcomer is entitled to have their "banter" immediately embraced.

I have more posts than not that are received by crickets. However, unless asking a question, I don't post to get a response. I merely post because I want to add something to the conversation or find something funny (or am in the mood to rip Massotto ). If it does receive a response, great. If not, that's more than fine too.

That goes for being embraced by the NFBC or message board community as well. Or any community for that matter. Whether in your neighborhood or at your place of business, at your child's school district or with the other parents of their sports teams. No one is entitled to anything. If you add something to the community, you may be embraced. If you don't, if you come in with a shot-out-of-a-cannon approach, or are annoying, or disruptive, you likely won't. It's just life.

[Yah Mule]

You see it in real life, too. Usually from a younger person who doesn't realize it isn't necessary to comment on every topic to be accepted in a typical social setting. Through experience, most of us learn to pick our spots and only contribute to a group conversation when we have something relevant or interesting to add.

For a number of reasons, the internet makes everything happen quicker and louder.