Does anybody think the 5x5 method is too simple?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:29 am

Originally posted by Coop:

11 x 11, how absurd.

Hey, I got it. Let's add a spot for Manager and draft 31. Then we'll add a category and call it "team wins". Wait, we better draft 32 so we can shuffle managers on teams with 5 games a week out and bring in ones on teams with 7 games.

I wonder what round Torre would go in? And if he's fired, do you drop $500 on his replacement? I agree completely- I think I said early on the thread if you are bored with 5x5's increase your level of competition.

I have never seen so many opinions the same on this board- 11x11 just a bad idea.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:32 pm

Originally posted by BigDog:

Your points are well made. I understand what you are saying. Maybe you guys are right. More time doesn't necessarily mean more skill. I have to admit, it feels harder to run an 11x11 team as opposed to a 5x5, but that's because I have to dedicate more time.

I see the light.

On a side note, I would love to have an NFBC champion come to our league to see what they can do...not a challenge, just an invite. We need 1 more player, $120 entry. If I end up behind, I swear to never critique the 5x5 ever again. It's probably my ego talking, but I doubt I'll lose. You're not making sense. One person going to your league doesn't prove anything. Since 5x5 is so much easier and you win the 11x11 league 7 out of every 8 years or whatever, you should quit complaining, roll over to our 'easy' league, and take our $100,000. If you really hate winning the money that much, then you can argue to change the format.

From your point of view, you want us to change the format so it will be more difficult for you to win our money. Why does this thread exist?

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:44 pm

If you look at my last post you'll notice that I listened to you guys and I understand it's not necessarily harder, it just takes more time.

I respect all of you. I'm listening to your opinions, I don't necessarily have to agree with all of you. I guess we just agree to disagree. At one time EVERYBODY thought Christopher Columbus was crazy and you know the end of that story. So you shouldn't judge the validity of my argument based on how one-sided the replies are.

Until I play in your league, I don't have the right to judge the competition or skill level in the NFBC. I guess it's time to pony up baby.

Good luck to all.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:36 pm

I prefer the 1x1 method. Total ABs for hitting, total innings pitched on the other side.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:44 pm

According to some, that's the same as an 11x11.

same skill.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:48 pm

Well then how about the 0x0 method? Everyone wins!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:08 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

I prefer the 1x1 method. Total ABs for hitting, total innings pitched on the other side. I bet if you ranked NFBC teams according to these and then looked at their actual results, you wouldn't be that far off. Not that every format doesn't reward this.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:21 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

I prefer the 1x1 method. Total ABs for hitting, total innings pitched on the other side. I bet if you ranked NFBC teams according to these and then looked at their actual results, you wouldn't be that far off. Not that every format doesn't reward this. [/QUOTE]Nah, I'm past that -- I know in my heart that the 0x0 method would give the most competitive balance possible.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:51 am

If I were to vote for any major changes for NFBC rules it would be for one catcher. The traditional two catcher lineup is just that, tradition.

One catcher would put that position on level with all other positions and like other positions, give Managers the chance to play the "hot backup". Instead, most of us will play the same two catchers all year unless someone becomes available via FAAB.

Agree? Disagree? What are your thoughts, Greg?

[ December 21, 2006, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:03 am

Agreed - 2 catchers are 2 to many, but if my options are 1 or 2 I choose 1.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:40 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If I were to vote for any major changes for NFBC rules it would be for one catcher. The traditional two catcher lineup is just that, tradition.

One catcher would put that position on level with all other positions and like other positions, give Managers the chance to play the "hot backup". Instead, most of us will play the same two catchers all year unless someone becomes available via FAAB.

Agree? Disagree? What are your thoughts, Greg? All major league teams need two catchers to survive during a season. We're trying to somewhat replicate what a major league baseball team has to go through, so I think you definitely need two catchers.

Is it tough to field a team with two catchers who don't hurt you offensively? Absolutely, but it's part of the chess game. Trust me, last year I tried to get by with bargain catchers and those teams struggled to avoid negative batting averages all year long.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:18 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Is it tough to field a team with two catchers who don't hurt you offensively? Absolutely, but it's part of the chess game. Trust me, last year I tried to get by with bargain catchers and those teams struggled to avoid negative batting averages all year long. Agree with you Greg, when to take weaker hitters at C ahead of stronger hitters adds a strategic wrinkle; I like the two-C setup.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:26 am

I ALWAYS wait on catchers , and usally end up with waiver wire pickups. Last year i picked up Miquel Olivo and he did a nice job , double diget homers, much better than the cincy combo that did nothing.Also the kid from RI , helped me down the stretch Ianetta, from the Rockies.

The only catcher i would consider early would be MAUER, his power will go up and the extra steals can help .He is also a 300 hitter.

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:27 am

By that philosophy shouldn't we have only 3 outfielders?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:52 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

By that philosophy shouldn't we have only 3 outfielders? Really no- most ML teams have 5 OF just like 2 catchers.

If I started from scratch tomorrow I would probably make it only one catcher, but no need to fix something that is barely cracked at best.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:43 am

[/qb][/QUOTE]Is it tough to field a team with two catchers who don't hurt you offensively? Absolutely, but it's part of the chess game. [/QB][/quote]

Agree 110%. The 'chess game' is what makes the game beautiful, and having 2 catchers is a key part of that chess match. Having only 1 Catcher would make the draft process considerably less interesting. Yes, its difficult to come up with two catchers who produce, that's exactly what makes it a wonderful challenge!

In the NFBC, you WILL have holes in your lineup. There's no way around it. You simply have to pick which holes you deal with the best. That's one of the ingredients that separates the NFBC from other contests; challenges such as this.

Do I wait on catchers until the later rounds? That's one option, but I'll likely have to deal with 2 black holes that drag my batting average down and/or hurt my counting numbers. Do I take a catcher early? If I do, that will open up another hole somewhere else.

Do I take Johan in the first round? If I do, there's a good chance that my offense will need patchwork, but if I pass on drafting a starting pitcher early, I run a serious risk of blowing up my ERA & WHIP.

These are the types of challenges that make the NFBC the best Fantasy Baseball Competition on the Planet!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:22 am

It may add more strategy for one day, draft day but for the next 26 weeks any strategy is out the door. I would prefer the teases of who to play every week instead of the mundane set of two catchers that were drafted. Kent is right, it is a small crack, maybe something to think about in the future.