Betances, top closer or platoon?

[Deadheadz]

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I've been hearing that Dellin Betances may be just a co-closer with Andrew Miller in '15.

His ADP tells us most leagues have at least one manager who's pretty sure the job is his alone but Miller's ADP seems to tell us that most leagues also have at least one manager who isn't so sure about Betances.

I'm guessing he still has value for the other categories because he would still get appearances in the 8th if not closing out every game.

Does anyone have enough of a handle on what to expect with the Yankees bullpen to be sure?



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[CC's Desperados]

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I've been hearing that Dellin Betances may be just a co-closer with Andrew Miller in '15.

His ADP tells us most leagues have at least one manager who's pretty sure the job is his alone but Miller's ADP seems to tell us that most leagues also have at least one manager who isn't so sure about Betances.

I'm guessing he still has value for the other categories because he would still get appearances in the 8th if not closing out every game.

Does anyone have enough of a handle on what to expect with the Yankees bullpen to be sure?




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If you have to ask this question, you have lost the battle already.

[Yellow Ledbetters]

Way to add to the discussion CC.

[Deadheadz]

If you have to ask this question, you have lost the battle already.

This is the sort of vague response that kills baseball discussions. And you're not the only one who makes posts like this on the NFBC general discussion board.

I won't be drafting Betances where he's going this year but I really like Betances and took him in one DC last season. Just looking for some other opinions on the guy and the situation. Thanks for not sharing. I know you like to keep all the great knowledge to yourself which is why you're so great at this game.

I don't have the discipline to keep all my great knowledge to myself.
Props.


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[ALL-IN JD]

Shawn,

Even the Hall of Famer's get insulted by this A Hole!!

[CC's Desperados]

Way to add to the discussion CC.

At least I was on topic....

[Glenneration X]

I know you like to keep all the great knowledge to yourself which is why you're so great at this game.

Deadheadz, I don't think there's been a more inaccurate assessment to what someone's really about stated on these boards since Massotto called himself tough competition. One thing about Shawn is if anything, he overshares. In fact, I think he has a chat scheduled on these boards coming up where he'll answer every question thrown at him honestly and openly.

Now if we were talking about Juprinka and his sharing of knowledge.....

[Yellow Ledbetters]

I guess integrity and respect aren't criteria for the "Hall of Fame"

[KJ Duke]

Shawn,

Even the Hall of Famer's get insulted by this A Hole!!

Hall of Famer? He's just another self-important disappointment to his family like the rest of us JD. Why couldn't he turn into something that would make his momma proud? ... like a yellow-bellied message board troll who will never show his face at a live event?

[ALL-IN JD]

You are pathetic my friend. If only we were lucky enough to have you at a live event. I know you don't have the stones so you can spew so easily but I can still wish! If you had one ounce the respect that Shawn had that would be too much.

[ALL-IN JD]

If you have to ask this question, you have lost the battle already.

This is the sort of vague response that kills baseball discussions. And you're not the only one who makes posts like this on the NFBC general discussion board.

I won't be drafting Betances where he's going this year but I really like Betances and took him in one DC last season. Just looking for some other opinions on the guy and the situation. Thanks for not sharing. I know you like to keep all the great knowledge to yourself which is why you're so great at this game.

I don't have the discipline to keep all my great knowledge to myself.
Props.

Are you for real??? With training camp not even open yet what type of response were you hoping for????

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[Yellow Ledbetters]

I feel like I have my own little fan club following me around. I love it.
JD...don't kid yourself. Face to face you wouldn't do a damn thing.

Let me figure out why you are so angry. Tell me if i'm close...
Mommy was an alcoholic? Daddy abusive? Kids at school made fun of your appearance calling you Lurch?
Dad took out his frustrations of having a halfwit for a son by breaking out the belt?

Sorry, i would continue dissecting your miserable existence but i have a 1:00 meeting to get to. I doubt you went to college so you wouldn't know about work responsibilities. Every day working at Best Buy is probably the same...

Please continue to follow my posts...you guys crack me up.

[ALL-IN JD]

Man those retorts are original!! Aah, if only we could EVER meet in person. Please, i'm begging you, tell me exactly where and when we can meet. I'll be there with bells on, but you can't bring along your hooker of a mom and her pimp, that wouldn't be a fair fight then!!

[Gekko]

Betances will end up being the best closer in baseball starting this year. Okay, maybe chapman beats him. Other than that, enjoy the present buying opp folks. Buy him in the 6th and he will return 3rd round value. Once he is officially announced closer in the next month, his adp shoots to 4th round overnight

[ALL-IN JD]

And like the old saying goes, "when Gekko speaks people listen!!"

[mlbbug]

Those who have an early draft or auction might be wise to handcuff Miller and Betances. Even if Miller is the set up guy he's good for 100 K's plus great ratios too. Put their K's together in the same lineup and you have the equal of an elite SP with even better ERA/WHIP ratios. This would solve the problem of who closes in NYY even before the decision of who closes is made.

[chiznad21]

Just my opinion but the closer job is Betances' and only his to lose. His stuff is nasty and as good as anybodies in baseball. Will he be able to keep the job, well, we will see. He has never had the ninth all to himself, so only time will tell. They did not trade Robertson to have that position in flux......It is the Yankees and although I am not a fan, they have handled there business pretty well over the years. As for Miller, he was brought in as the lefty set up specialist......and has been rumored to maybe transition in to the starting rotation. Yes as all closer jobs, but a few, there are questions and they can be unpredictable but for now (in my opinion) the job is his and he will flourish in it. The comment was made in a previous post that his draft position will shoot up when he is announced as the "official" closer.......draft him earlier than he is going because he is the closer and will be very good, provided the Yankees put him in a position in games to close the door. Just my two cents.......happy drafting gents

[Deadheadz]

I know you like to keep all the great knowledge to yourself which is why you're so great at this game.

Deadheadz, I don't think there's been a more inaccurate assessment to what someone's really about stated on these boards since Massotto called himself tough competition. One thing about Shawn is if anything, he overshares. In fact, I think he has a chat scheduled on these boards coming up where he'll answer every question thrown at him honestly and openly.

Now if we were talking about Juprinka and his sharing of knowledge.....

When I posted that I had no idea Shawn was answering my question in his own "Chat with" thread. The guy is very clever, do doubt about it.


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[uky]

I wish you guys would stay with the same thread. Every time I come back to the MB's, its the same guys "slamming" each others mother or kids on a different thread. Keep it up guys, I'm loving the reading as we sit here in the Bluegrass in a "state of emergency" in the comfort of home....

[KJ Duke]

I wish you guys would stay with the same thread. Every time I come back to the MB's, its the same guys "slamming" each others mother or kids on a different thread. Keep it up guys, I'm loving the reading as we sit here in the Bluegrass in a "state of emergency" in the comfort of home....

Careful Cleaver, you may come back and discover the insult pigeon has shat some dropping your way.

[uky]

I wish you guys would stay with the same thread. Every time I come back to the MB's, its the same guys "slamming" each others mother or kids on a different thread. Keep it up guys, I'm loving the reading as we sit here in the Bluegrass in a "state of emergency" in the comfort of home....

Careful Cleaver, you may come back back and discover the insult pigeon has shat some dropping your way.

If the "Foo Sh*ts", wear it.

[ikenbaseball]

[quote="chiznad21"]They did not trade Robertson to have that position in flux......

Sorry chiznad21. Remind me again who Robertson was trade for?

[Gekko]

Just my opinion but the closer job is Betances' and only his to lose. His stuff is nasty and as good as anybodies in baseball.

They did not trade Robertson to have that position in flux......

+1

[KJ Duke]

Betances will end up being the best closer in baseball starting this year. Okay, maybe chapman beats him. Other than that, enjoy the present buying opp folks. Buy him in the 6th and he will return 3rd round value. Once he is officially announced closer in the next month, his adp shoots to 4th round overnight

The Yankees have a lot of good bullpen arms. If Betances stumbles he is easily replaced. A couple years ago Joba was Betances ... then he fall apart and now is hoping to get a middle relief job at the old age of 29. Dellin is a speculation relative to the top few closers ... and while he could be better than some several tiers down from there, he also has less job security than many of them. Pick your risk tolerance, there are no right answers at this stage.

[Atlas]

The Yankees have a lot of good bullpen arms. If Betances stumbles he is easily replaced. A couple years ago Joba was Betances ... then he fall apart and now is hoping to get a middle relief job at the old age of 29. Dellin is a speculation relative to the top few closers ... and while he could be better than some several tiers down from there, he also has less job security than many of them. Pick your risk tolerance, there are no right answers at this stage.

But wasn't Joba's fall due to the Yankees trying to return him to the rotation? I don't see that happening with Betances.

And while Joba was being tabbed as the heir apparent to Mariano at one point, he never got the gig as Betances seems to have. I think the Yankees still have that debacle in their minds and won't screw with him the same way they did with Joba.

Additionally, Joba's success was before his injuries and subsequent surgeries. He never made it back. Betances success is post surgery.

It strikes me as a completely different set of circumstances, although can't completely discount the same end result