Non-Tender Marcus Giles?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:52 am

Somebody must know something I do not (at least that is what my wife infers often)? Why would the Braves just non-tender a guy like Marcus Giles, which reportedly they are getting ready to do. Is he that hurt? He did not do well in the lead-off role last year, but he is no lead-off hitter so that is no surprise. I do not understand this one...

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:13 am

My question more than anything is why not offer him a contract direct to try to avoid arbitration?

His arbitration tag of over 5 million is what is scaring off trade partners- that should tell him you are not going to get that on the open market especially when you consider the demand for starting 2b's is essentially 2 teams and Loretta and Belliard are still unsigned also.

Throw a one year 3.5 million dollar off at him see if he bites. If they resign him and trade for Baldelli as heavily rumored that would be a lineup with American league level depth in the NL. Laroche hitting 7th, Renteria 8th my goodness..

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:30 am

He seems to have uh shrunk a little.Nuff said?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:07 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

He seems to have uh shrunk a little.Nuff said? Easy to speculate on roids guys but I do not know if there are more obvious candidates than him and his brother.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:29 am

The story the "media"likes to ignore is that it turned out that many more pitchers were roiding.Many people stood by the opinion that roids would not help pitchers.But,pitcher after pitcher seemed to have "lost"four to five miles off of the fastball.Back to Giles I have the opportunity to sit and listen to the scouts talk amongst themselves before the marlin games.The name I heard oh so many times was Marcus Giles.They made no bones over what they thought about his usage.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:30 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by DiamondKing:

He seems to have uh shrunk a little.Nuff said? Easy to speculate on roids guys but I do not know if there are more obvious candidates than him and his brother. [/QUOTE]The Boone brothers come to mind for obvious candidates as well

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:31 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

The Boone brothers come to mind for obvious candidates as well

this line made me chuckle. Back in college 2 pals who frequented the weight room starting getting pretty pumped up. Big necks the whole works. It got out that they were juicing. They were then dubbed around campus as .... the balloon brothers.

Q

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:42 pm

Q - were their names Hanz and Franz?

We're here to pump (clap) YOU up!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:04 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Q - were their names Hanz and Franz?

We're here to pump (clap) YOU up! Ha! That would have been perfect. Their only saving grace was that the girly men hit the scene a couple years after

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poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:30 pm

I agree. Steroids wouldn't be surprising for either Giles brother. It has to be something...if you can give Pierre $9M and Matthews $10M, why not give Giles about $5-$6M???

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I know this is not what this thread started out to be, but are there any players that anyone avoids an early round pick on because of steroid fears? Losing a 1-5 round pick for 1/3 season can be devastating.

I know last year, I had some players I tried to avoid (maybe I overthought that angle a bit too much) but I couldn't see an early pick on Helton. I had my doubts about Sheffield also.

I would feel bad if these guys were clean and others like Giambi rewarded owners who got them later.

I admit, I did expect sharper drop off in HR totals.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:00 pm

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

I know this is not what this thread started out to be, but are there any players that anyone avoids an early round pick on because of steroid fears? Absolutely! There's no way you're getting me to spend a top 5 pick on any of the following players:

Bonds

Giambi

Boone

Giles

Giles

McGwire

Sosa

Canseco

751542 · Post by **751542** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm

a quick story from inside the clubhouse. my brother is a caddy @ eastlake country club in atlanta. he had the privledge of caddying the braves outing this year and i was excited to hear which player he had caddyied for that day, to my dismay he caddyied(sp??)for one of their broadcasters who was quite loose lipped about alot of the players. for what it is worth marcus giles is known as a huge jerk and the braves have been trying to unload him for quite a while. the broadcaster mentioned many bar brawls and cover ups for him. once i saw that he was non-tenedered i had to chuckle!! i am glad to see an orginzation get rid of some of its cancer. remember guys, there is alot we dont see or understand that happens off the field that affects their onfield situation or contracts. RT

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:19 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by poopy tooth:

I know this is not what this thread started out to be, but are there any players that anyone avoids an early round pick on because of steroid fears? Absolutely! There's no way you're getting me to spend a top 5 pick on any of the following players:

Bonds

Giambi

Boone

Giles

Giles

McGwire

Sosa

Canseco [/QUOTE]ROFL

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:17 am

I guess that is the disadvantage of being a homey. I had not heard or chose to ignore the clubhouse cancer and the 'roids stuff (which certainly could have "assisted" in all the injuries last year). Thanks...

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:55 am

I don't understand how Giles has stayed near the top of the lineup the last two years, definetely a seven or eight hitter. Managers get in a comfort zone and automatically make out a lineup. Jack Wilson hitting two devalues Bay a bit. Other examples?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:13 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I don't understand how Giles has stayed near the top of the lineup the last two years, definetely a seven or eight hitter. Managers get in a comfort zone and automatically make out a lineup. Jack Wilson hitting two devalues Bay a bit. Other examples? Cubs had lowest OBP and second-lowest OPS from the 2-hole last season thanks to the Neifi Perez-Ronny Cedeno tag team.

tons worse than Marcus Giles.

[ December 13, 2006, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:22 am

Dusty Baker, genius. And that followed Pierre and his OBP.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:38 am

Dusty had to go. granted the team had lots of injuries last year and maybe they went to war without enough weapons, but he let the team quit, lay down and die, didn't make any attempt that I saw to stop it and didn't seem to care. Just a guess on my part, but I don't think Lou will stand for that. If he can infuse some heart into the team and God forbid get them to play fundementally sound baseball as a "team". We may see a winner some time in my lifetime. I wonder if Lou is young enough to get all that accomplished before it kills him. The Cubs are a tough nut to crack even with the extra spending. Somehow no matter who manages, who owns them, or who plays for them they always play the same. Swing at anything, swing for the fences every time, and oh by the way we can relax now and play like idiots. The fans will love us anyway. Sorry for rambling on. Watching the Cubs for over 40 years will do this to you.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:27 am

vander- there is room for you with the sox!