NFBC Draft Champions Results

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:03 am

I second Don's post...

Thank you!

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:12 am

I'll step in for Greg today. Round 16 has been added to the first post.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:52 am

Round 17 is now on the first post and below:

ROUND 17

241. Gary Matthews Jr.

242. Josh Bard

243. Mike Lowell

244. Armando Benitez

245. Ken Griffey Jr.

246. Corey Hart

247. Brandon McCarthy

248. Ronny Paulino

249. Jason Kendall

250. Freddy Garcia

251. Andre Ethier

252. Omar Vizquel

253. Chris Iannetta

254. Michael Napoli

255. Boof Bonser

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:57 am

I was also in this draft , had the 1st pick, if anyone , and poppy want to take a look at it , go right ahead.

Ok, Eddie, here’s my take on your draft through first 17 rounds…

1. A. Pujols

2. H. Ramirez

3. M. Young

4. J. Thome

5. J. Putz

6. T. Gordon

7. C. Jones

8. N. Swisher

9. D. Roberts

10. A. Burnett

11. A. Pettitte

12. I. Kinsler

13. S. Olsen

14. B. Penny

15. P. Burrell

16. M. Alou

17. G. Matthews

My initial impressions were…Rd 1-Pujols no brainer, without a doubt the #1 overall guy. RD 2-is Hanley Ramirez that good? Everyone is very high on him. I am not as high on him. Currently, I have him as a 5th round guy. His 40 SBs will be nice, and overall he won’t hurt anywhere, maybe because I’ve been burnt with 2nd year players, not sure…RD 3- Michael Young, nice look on SS’s…I also have Young as third round pick…4th RD – Jim Thome…2nd perfect pick of the draft. How is this guy still available with the 60th pick? Because of injury risk is all I can assume…There is not a player I would have taken over Thome here…RD 5 and RD 6 Putz and Gordon…Need 2 closers to win, so there;s no arguing with the logic. Putz should have another great year. I don’t like Gordon in rd 6. To me, he’s too risky – injury wise (even though he’s been healthy last few years, plus ballpark.) I think you could have gotten another closer of equal or greater value in rd 8 or 9.

Rd 7 – C. Jones…when healthy still great, problem is he misses too many games for me to take with first pick in rd 7; however, he contributes to 4 categories. (Glaus was taken later and can be avg killer, with Jones, you know he won’t hurt you as long as he’s playing. Rd 8 – N. Swisher great power, low average, nice versatility if needed. Rd 9 – D. Roberts 40-50 SBs is great pick for 9th rd. I’m not a Roberts fan, as he seems 1, maybe 2 dimensional and gets hurt fairly often. RD 10 and 11 – Burnett and Pettitte…great when healthy of 65 or so starts, will be lucky to get 50 between them, and I do think Burnett will pitch most of the season and have a very strong year, Pettitte, something just doesn’t seem right to me with him. I would have avoided him and maybe went with Zito or Willis in this round…Pettitte may be better if healthy, but other two seem more reliable to me. Rd 12. – Ian Kinsler what’s disappointing to me here is he is getting selected in rd 12. I was hoping he would slip through a couple more rounds. I think he has Utley potential from 2 years ago…great pick. Rd 13 S. Olsen…can’t really say…I can’t get a handle on him…that’s not good or bad, just not someone I think I can accurately evaluate. Rd 14, Brad Penny Great pick. Keep hearing trade rumors, and that he’s an a**hole, but he can flat out pitch when he’s on. In LA, he should be lock for 14 wins if not more with great supporting numbers for 14th rounder. Rd 15 Pat Burrell. I like the pick. Most people are down on Burrell, but as long as he plays, he will put up about 28HR and 90RBI, with potential for more. I would take that in 15th round every draft. The potential downfall is lost playing time or trade to less hitter friendly ballpark…RD 16-M. Alou…did you let someone else pick for you here? Kidding, but he’s another high risk, high reward player. Won’t produce enough for me. Not awful value in rd 16, but strikes me as player who will start 4-5 games a week, driving owner nuts on when to start and when to sit. Rd 17 – Gary Matthew Jr. They say his numbers will go down in LA. I have also read his hitting is for real, either way, he’ll contribute some power and SB with outside shot at 20/20 season. Will also contribute decent run or rbi’s depending on where he hits in line up.

Overall, I would say you have very strong hitters. You’re SP’s are also good, but some risk with a couple of them which could make or break season. Closers, 1 excellent, 1 average.

Each player and pick/round was good (with exception of Ramirez IMHO, but when you look at 17 players, 6 or 7 are pretty good bets to miss some time, which overall may prevent you from winning. You would need a lot of luck as far as injuries go. Power/speed average are all there. Saves are also there. I think an ace would help, but would then hurt your hitting stats depending on when selected.

Eddie – this is the most important piece of this review, and I’ll share this with everyone reading this…you came in 1st place in Ultimate League in Vegas – which was called, by you and others, the more competitive of the ultimate leagues. I on the otherhand, finished DEAD LAST in the New York ultimate league. This means, the law of averages has to balance out this year, and the pendulum will swing my way!!! 2007 Year of the Tooth…check your Chinese calendars!

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:38 am

Poppy Tooth , great job grading my team.Last night we did the Childs league and some great fantasy owners. Childs, Morgan , Herron and Zola just to name a few. Hanley Rameriz went the 1zt pick in the 2nd round, pick 16.Have to admit i thought this was a little high , especially after hearing about his shoulder promblems.Gordon had 34 saves last year with 68 strike outs in 59 innings. His innings are actually down from his last two years in NY.hE PITCHED 89 innings and 80 innings in 2004 and 2005, so being a closer is actually less strain.

In other words , im fine with GORDON, this was also a closer draft, they went fast , as last night you could get one late.Valverde went 8th round in one draft and 13th round in the other, very strange.Olsen is going to be a star, im not saying why, remember this when your in NY.

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:46 am

Eddie -

The logic behind Gordon makes sense. If he puts up similiar to last year, he'll definitely be worthy.

Hanley Ramirez is just too high of a pick for me. This is where draft leagues hurt me...some players will never be available because of values placed on players. He could be worthy of the pick, just risky for me.

I will remember Olsen. You can PM why so I look at him again in NY.

Don't tell King of Queens! That Jacknuts beat me out by 1/2 point last year to stay out of the basement!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:45 pm

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

Don't tell King of Queens! That Jacknuts beat me out by 1/2 point last year to stay out of the basement!

Jacknuts? a...HEM!!

That would be ONE FULL POINT

37 to 36

See you in two months -- you'll have your shot at revenge

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:16 am

quote:

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Originally posted by poopy tooth:

Don't tell King of Queens! That Jacknuts beat me out by 1/2 point last year to stay out of the basement!

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Jacknuts? a...HEM!!

That would be ONE FULL POINT

37 to 36

See you in two months -- you'll have your shot at revenge First of all, I meant jacknuts in the best possible way

Second of all, ok, a full point, makes it a little easier to handle!

You bringing a laptop again this year? I was thinking about it. My biggest fear is the battery dying in Round 20, and then having to wing it, but it's worked better with mocks to have info on line.

One more thing...don't let me draft a pitcher in round 2!!!

See you there. You doing any satellites this year?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:16 am

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

You bringing a laptop again this year? I was thinking about it. My biggest fear is the battery dying in Round 20, and then having to wing it, but it's worked better with mocks to have info on line.I strongly recommend having two batteries. Two fully charged batteries -- plus a little recharge time during the breaks -- should get you through the afternoon.

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

You doing any satellites this year? If I do, it will be under an alias

I did the Champions Draft last month (pick #13). Feel free to post your comments on my team.

[ January 05, 2007, 09:16 AM: Message edited by: King of Queens ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:15 am

Here's Round 18. Enjoy.

ROUND 18

256. Gerald Laird

257. Chad Billingsley

258. Craig Monroe

259. Justin Duchscherer

260. Ted Lilly

261. Noah Lowry

262. Mark Prior

263. Ryan Garko

264. David DeJesus

265. Miguel Olivo

266. Mark DeRosa

267. Jim Edmonds

268. Randy Winn

269. Kevin Youkilis

270. Kerry Wood

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:04 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Here's Round 18. Enjoy.

ROUND 18

256. Gerald Laird

257. Chad Billingsley

258. Craig Monroe

259. Justin Duchscherer

260. Ted Lilly

261. Noah Lowry

262. Mark Prior

263. Ryan Garko

264. David DeJesus

265. Miguel Olivo

266. Mark DeRosa

267. Jim Edmonds

268. Randy Winn

269. Kevin Youkilis

270. Kerry Wood The first five are correct.

261. Tim Hudson

262. Tom Glavine

263. John Garland

264. Clay Hensley

265. Jason Isringhausen

266. Brandon Inge

267. Noah Lowry

268. Mark Prior

269. Ryan Garko

270. David DeJesus

A Krause cutie must have distracted Greg

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:05 am

Greg,

R18 looks a little messed up starting with after the Lilly pick...

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:32 am

I think Round 17 and 18 can be flipped.

I see a MUCH better picks in the 18th round.

Wood, Billingley, Prior, Hudson, Isringhausen, Garko, Hensley, Lowry. Granted they're not guarantees but at this late in the game they are good gambles.

The only players I like in Round 17 are Garcia, Hart, and Ethier. In my humble opinion, it's not a good round in this draft.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:48 am

BIG DOG, the steal here is David Dejesus, he went in the 11th round in the shawn childs league the other night.Double digit homers and steals this year, he's at the majic age of 27.He scored 83 runs last year in 491 at bats , in a full year he would top 100 runs and he always hits for good batting avg , last year 295.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:54 am

The Carlos Guillen pick in Round 4 really throws me.

With Guillen, 153 games last year was the most he's ever had in his career. Projections should be limited to 135 to 140 games which puts him at .300-15-70-80 runs-12SB. Based on overall games the last 6 years (and I know 87 game season drags it down quite a bit) he's averaged 110 games per year.

I don't think he carries the risk that Drew has, but it's not far off. Early rounds you can't take chances like this. Not worth the gamble.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:00 am

I like Dejesus a lot. He doesn't get a lot of attention ala Ryan Shealy because he's on the Royals. Dotel is not too bad of a gamble either as he clearly does not have any competition at the closer spot.

There are many little golden nuggets on the worst teams in baseball simply because they're not as attractive as players who are on the Yankees, Redsox, or Whitesox. Doesn't make any sense to me.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:13 am

I agree round 4 is too early for Gullien, but his position short stop and those 20 steals will keep in the end of the 4th round or the 5th round.I would rather go a safer option.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:17 am

Originally posted by BigDog:

The Carlos Guillen pick in Round 4 really throws me.

With Guillen, 153 games last year was the most he's ever had in his career. Projections should be limited to 135 to 140 games which puts him at .300-15-70-80 runs-12SB. Based on overall games the last 6 years (and I know 87 game season drags it down quite a bit) he's averaged 110 games per year.

I don't think he carries the risk that Drew has, but it's not far off. Early rounds you can't take chances like this. Not worth the gamble. January 5, 2007 we finally agree on something. Those 06 numbers and what he can do when healthy are hard to resist. He is just too fragile for me that early. I lived through spending a pretty high pick on him in 05 to have him in and out of the lineup.

BTW Royals do not fly under the radar at the NFBC- lots of interesting guys on KC this year.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:33 am

January 5, 2007

We have finally agreed. This is amazing. After only 80 posts you sucked up your pride and believed in the Big Dog. This is a day for the record books.

Right now I am going to buy a lottery ticket.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:48 am

Originally posted by BigDog:

January 5, 2007

We have finally agreed. This is amazing. After only 80 posts you sucked up your pride and believed in the Big Dog. This is a day for the record books.

Right now I am going to buy a lottery ticket. Has nothing to do with pride- has a lot to do with you not being very good at analysis. I also do not believe in you I just believe Guillen is injury prone.

The old saying is a broke clock is right twice a day there was one of yours. One more to go I guess..

The lottery ticket is a great idea you have better odds at that than the 100k in this contest.

[ January 05, 2007, 02:06 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:42 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by BigDog:

January 5, 2007

We have finally agreed. This is amazing. After only 80 posts you sucked up your pride and believed in the Big Dog. This is a day for the record books.

Right now I am going to buy a lottery ticket. Has nothing to do with pride- has a lot to do with you not being very good at analysis. I also do not believe in you I just believe Guillen is injury prone.

The old saying is a broke clock is right twice a day there was one of yours. One more to go I guess..

The lottery ticket is a great idea you have better odds at that than the 100k in this contest. [/QUOTE]OUCH!I think that one left a mark.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:32 pm

Chest. I respect you as a fantasy player. I have nothing bad to say about you. If you think I'm really horrible at analysis, then it's possible I am. I am really just trying to learn as much as I can. I am a newbie here and it's not easy to be on this forum while I'm getting constantly bashed left and right.

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:37 pm

Chest. I respect you as a fantasy player. I have nothing bad to say about you. If you think I'm really horrible at analysis, then it's possible I am. I am really just trying to learn as much as I can. I am a newbie here and it's not easy to be on this forum while I'm getting constantly bashed left and right. Should I call Dr. Phil?

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:41 pm

I'm out.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:56 pm

Originally posted by Big Dog:

Chest. I respect you as a fantasy player. I have nothing bad to say about you. If you think I'm really horrible at analysis, then it's possible I am. I am really just trying to learn as much as I can. I am a newbie here and it's not easy to be on this forum while I'm getting constantly bashed left and right. Don't worry about Chest. He's just mad because he had to give up his career in porn when he got married. Try distinguishing yourself by doing some interesting stuff on the boards. Try your hand at Gekko jeopardy.

Most of all just try ignoring the people who give you a hard time. You can start with me because I still think of you as The Boss and will continue to say you are proving what a toothless loser you are by not putting up money for the main event.