DFS / NFBC question

[Driver Love]

I asked a question similar to this a year or two ago and can't really remember what the consensus answer was. I would define myself as someone who is very into season long roto baseball and dabbles in DFS from time to time for fun on the side. With the explosion/growth in DFS and the great league hosting site abilities I have the following question.

Would there be interest in a season long league that allows daily roster moves? What is the downside of this? For those who are really into the day to day activities of their NFBC teams I would imagine it would be fun to change your lineup (wouldn't be too many moves available due to short benches) based on pitcher match ups and maybe an injury that happens on a Monday. Or maybe you want to start a pitcher on a Monday but not in Colorado later in the week..

Just curious to get thoughts and know what the downside to this would be. I am not saying I want this. I am not politicking for it. Just throwing out the question to fuel some discussion.

[Greg Ambrosius]

I asked a question similar to this a year or two ago and can't really remember what the consensus answer was. I would define myself as someone who is very into season long roto baseball and dabbles in DFS from time to time for fun on the side. With the explosion/growth in DFS and the great league hosting site abilities I have the following question.

Would there be interest in a season long league that allows daily roster moves? What is the downside of this? For those who are really into the day to day activities of their NFBC teams I would imagine it would be fun to change your lineup (wouldn't be too many moves available due to short benches) based on pitcher match ups and maybe an injury that happens on a Monday. Or maybe you want to start a pitcher on a Monday but not in Colorado later in the week..

Just curious to get thoughts and know what the downside to this would be. I am not saying I want this. I am not politicking for it. Just throwing out the question to fuel some discussion.

We certainly have the ability to create a Satellite League with daily moves if anyone is interested. I was going to ask this question during the off-season, but just never really got into pushing this idea. It would be the same setup as any other NFBC Satellite League, but with daily Set Lineup moves. FAAB deadlines would remain the same.

If there are enough folks interested in this type of setup in a Satellite League, just let me know and we'll set up a couple of leagues with daily Set Lineup moves. We can do that.

[Driver Love]

Thanks for the reply Greg. I wasn't necessarily asking for this kind of league. I am just wondering what the pros/cons of this setup/format would be... Obviously there are many who are into daily games. There are also many who take their season long roto leagues very seriously and give it constant attention so making a move to put your lefty hitting first basemen on the bench on a weds because he faces Sale and plugging in a viable back up on your bench seems to be something some might be into.

Maybe I am wrong. I was just curious.

[COZ]

The Cons of daily line-ups is streaming of players, particularly pitchers. I can envision someone punting Saves, loading up on starting pitchers on their bench and just maximizing starts. That's always the danger of daily line-ups. Yes, ideally it allows one to sub for injured players mid-week, but it always gets exploited by maximizing pitcher starts. Once a week FAAB somewhat limits this but not if someone has 7 pitchers on their bench. One solution would be to just allow daily moves for position players but you can get streaming on that end too where someone may just draft stud pitchers early and load up on position players. You just get a lot more strategies that incorporate streaming and working the schedule which is basically what happens and it becomes like fantasy basketball where you are looking to maximize as many games played as possible. Not to say any of this is wrong, it just has a gaming the system feel to it all, at least in my opinion.

COZ

[Driver Love]

Let me repeat, I am not pushing for this change.. just making conversation. Let me ask this. Why is streaming bad? Isn't streaming another word for "strategically playing the game so my team performs best?" If you have a solid starting pitcher who is pitching in Colorado Monday and has a great matchup Saturday isn't it good fantasy baseball management to make that move? I am curious to know if most people see streaming as gaming the system or a negative. Again, just curious. I appreciate the post Coz. I think the point you made was accurate about what would happen. I guess the question is if that is good or bad, fun or less fun. A better or worse test of skill...

[DOUGHBOYS]

I'll take a shot at this.
I was in your shoes a few years ago. I did not fear streaming and thought it to be another strategy in the arsenal of fantasy players.
Then, there was a rule change a few years ago that temporarily allowed for streaming.
I didn't like it.
Teams that were leading all year got passed by, what I felt, were lesser teams.
These teams bulked up in Wins and strike outs through streaming. The teams already at the top of these categories had no more points to gain.
Streaming allowed teams that should have finished anywhere from fourth to seventh in a league to finish second to fourth.
Even first place in a couple of leagues.
In effect, streaming does not put all teams on an even keel.
Still, even with rules as they are now, there is streaming to a lesser degree.
Some teams will pick up double starts from Jason Marquis, Roberto Hernandez, or Eric Stults types for a dollar and hope for the best. This streaming is deemed acceptable since teams are essentially picking up live grenades.

As for daily changes, it'll never fly here in large events.
We play with folks with families, jobs, and things going on in their lives that preclude them from making changes every single day.
Most of our players are well-to-do folks who have multi meetings, flights, and vacations that take them away from the game. Busy people.
These folks drive the high stakes game.
I, personally, do not fit in with this crowd, being semi-retired.
At the same time, even I would find the daily changes a tiresome 'have-to-do' every day of the baseball season.
Daily games are popular because they can be entered at a whim. Players don't have the requirement to play every single day.
Making daily changes every day of the season in the seasonal game is something that free and smaller priced leagues offer.
If forgetting or missing making a change in those leagues, the penalty is small.
Not so much here.

[Driver Love]

doughboys,

Thanks for the post. Interesting points. I am not in the camp of wanting daily changes or wanting to stream. I sometimes will play devils advocate to illicit good posts like yours to learn the perspective of others.