Chris Vaccaro On STATS Fantasy Advantage

[Money]

Enough of this. What Chad is doing is well within the rules and helped save the Primetime this season. The start is great, but that's all it is, a great start. Why don't you bitch about two top 10 teams in the online championship with 3 entries.

There is zero competitive advantage. We have no problem being the villan here. Hopefully we keep everyone entertained all summer long. Top 10 in all 3 overalls is something that should or should not be recognized but we should not have to address this. To attempt to diminish what's he's doing is wrong.

I hope it continues. For the record, we have 16 primetime teams, 5 main event teams and 3 online championship teams. A good start is all we're off too.

Good luck this year.

[JohnP]

I don't think the lack of primetime teams had much to do with chad, joe or Eric. I'm glad they helped fill it and I don't see the comparison to flooding a daily league. Kudos to the great start! Having that many teams can be viewed as a disadvantage - very hard to manage.

[COZ]

I don't think the lack of primetime teams had much to do with chad, joe or Eric. I'm glad they helped fill it and I don't see the comparison to flooding a daily league. Kudos to the great start! Having that many teams can be viewed as a disadvantage - very hard to manage.

Exactly John, not to mention often times it seems they win with widely different rosters & players, not some set formula. They draft the best possible team given their draft position and given the dynamics of the draft and then constantly tweek their lineups with FAAB. I respect guys willing to put their money up and compete against anyone. I want to compete against the best which is why I enjoy playing in the NFBC and competing against these guys. As is said of the best coaches, these guys could take your (drafted) players and beat you, and take their own players and beat you. I respect their abilities and know if I win I've beaten the best. Nothing to fear, its competition fair & square. I have absolutely no issue with the multiple entries here because, if anything, its more difficult.

COZ

[knuckleheads]

Enough of this. What Chad is doing is well within the rules and helped save the Primetime this season. The start is great, but that's all it is, a great start. Why don't you bitch about two top 10 teams in the online championship with 3 entries.

There is zero competitive advantage. We have no problem being the villan here. Hopefully we keep everyone entertained all summer long. Top 10 in all 3 overalls is something that should or should not be recognized but we should not have to address this. To attempt to diminish what's he's doing is wrong.

I hope it continues. For the record, we have 16 primetime teams, 5 main event teams and 3 online championship teams. A good start is all we're off too.

Good luck this year.

Easy there, Joe. Nobody is calling anybody a villain. Nobody is trying to diminish what anybody is doing. And this is not a complaint about anybody's top 10 standings. I'm not in the league, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I don't care who wins.

As for the competitive advantage, one of your top 3 teams picked up Grichek last week, your other top 3 team did not. He could be a difference maker. The option to go both ways and on that decision could prove critical in a similar situation in September.

You've paid your $25K to play and I've said over-and-over I think it is fair play. But if the reason for so many entries was to "save the Primetime" as some have been suggesting, why argue so vehemently to make sure that option is open next year?

I respect what Greg and Tom are doing with the NFBC. I shared my opinion privately with them. It wasn't until Chad whined about DFS sharks that I made any comment. And not until the first-place team in the Primetime started this discussion that I shared my opinion openly.

My guess. There are a lot of guys who don't like, but don't want to seem wimpish and complain about it. I don't consider it wimpish to share the reason I didn't play. I actually think a certain amount of multiple entries helps the NFBC.

Last year I joined a Primetime that had you, Lindy, Potts and a few other talented players. I'm not afraid of competition. The competition is why I play here. But I have to be confident that the playing field is level. The every-league entries shook that confidence for me. We'll see how it plays out.

Please don't take my opinions as a personal slight to you, Chad or Eric. You played by the rules, the question I am asking is allowing players to join every league in a contest good for the contests. You know, that same question Chad was asking about DFS.

[Money]

Enough of this. What Chad is doing is well within the rules and helped save the Primetime this season. The start is great, but that's all it is, a great start. Why don't you bitch about two top 10 teams in the online championship with 3 entries.

There is zero competitive advantage. We have no problem being the villan here. Hopefully we keep everyone entertained all summer long. Top 10 in all 3 overalls is something that should or should not be recognized but we should not have to address this. To attempt to diminish what's he's doing is wrong.

I hope it continues. For the record, we have 16 primetime teams, 5 main event teams and 3 online championship teams. A good start is all we're off too.

Good luck this year.

Easy there, Joe. Nobody is calling anybody a villain. Nobody is trying to diminish what anybody is doing. And this is not a complaint about anybody's top 10 standings. I'm not in the league, I don't have a dog in this hunt. I don't care who wins.

As for the competitive advantage, one of your top 3 teams picked up Grichek last week, your other top 3 team did not. He could be a difference maker. The option to go both ways and on that decision could prove critical in a similar situation in September.

You've paid your $25K to play and I've said over-and-over I think it is fair play. But if the reason for so many entries was to "save the Primetime" as some have been suggesting, why argue so vehemently to make sure that option is open next year?

I respect what Greg and Tom are doing with the NFBC. I shared my opinion privately with them. It wasn't until Chad whined about DFS sharks that I made any comment. And not until the first-place team in the Primetime started this discussion that I shared my opinion openly.

My guess. There are a lot of guys who don't like, but don't want to seem wimpish and complain about it. I don't consider it wimpish to share the reason I didn't play. I actually think a certain amount of multiple entries helps the NFBC.

Last year I joined a Primetime that had you, Lindy, Potts and a few other talented players. I'm not afraid of competition. The competition is why I play here. But I have to be confident that the playing field is level. The every-league entries shook that confidence for me. We'll see how it plays out.

Please don't take my opinions as a personal slight to you, Chad or Eric. You played by the rules, the question I am asking is allowing players to join every league in a contest good for the contests. You know, that same question Chad was asking about DFS.

Fair enough.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

As you are apparently better at fantasy baseball than reading comprehension, and counting, I'll let your own words defeat you.

Hypocrite would be incredibly stupid as well. Nothing even remotely hypocritical about it. You comparing dfs cash games to this is ludicrous. And if you read closely, I never once called you any names.

Quite frankly you sound like a chickenshit.

I count once.

By allowing these lobby hogs to occur at all levels, it is both allowing the fewest amount of people to have success, which is horrible for their business. And it also prevents contests from filling, which is also horrible for their business. There would be so many more people willing to play 500, 1k matches etc if you could do it without having to play lovesbases every single time. It is hard to believe how fanduel doesn't realize it is damaging the health of the industry, and more importantly their amount of contests that fill.

Just read your own paragraph again, but replace the following words:

1) lobby with Primetime
2) 500, 1k matches with $1500 leagues
3) lovesbases with Coctails and Money & Homerun Derbies
4) Fanduel with NFBC

You are currently leading 7 of 17 leagues. (Congratulations, it is quite an accomplishment.) If you still don't understand how it is remotely comparable, well then, at least you're good at fantasy baseball (at least season-long games).

Huge difference between you sound like and you are. Please accept my apology if the difference is not as big in your eyes. It is a huge difference from my perspective and I promise I am not calling you a chickenshit. I don't know you.

As for the full season and daily comparison. The differences are somehow sailing way over your head. Not worth discussing it with you anymore. You clearly are not understanding it. You must not play Draftkings tourneys, or this rather simple logic would probably get through to you. It isn't releasing nuclear launch codes. It is very basic game theory.

[knuckleheads]

I don't play Draftkings. But you didn't say Draftkings, you said Fanduel. And lovesbases. And I know what it's like when looking at games on Fanduel. Lovesbases and zzzimsleeping is in every one. Just like the Primetime with Derbies and Coctails.

Sounds like you are changing your story.

[Glenneration X]

The way I'm reading this debate is that one side is saying that it's impossible to join a Fanduel game without seeing Lovebases and some other sharks entered, which lessens his desire to play in those games.

The other side is saying that it was impossible this year to join a Primetime without seeing Cocktails & Money and some other sharks entered, which lessened his desire to play in those games.

I really don't see what the debate is about. Both are based on actual facts of who's playing where and the resulting effects it has on their "personal" desires to play. Seems like they agree on every aspect of the debate outside of what contest is being discussed and what shark is playing all the games.

Personally I could give a rat's ass who plays in every league at either Fanduel or here. If you're willing to put your money at risk, you should be allowed to play.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

I don't play Draftkings. But you didn't say Draftkings, you said Fanduel. And lovesbases. And I know what it's like when looking at games on Fanduel. Lovesbases and zzzimsleeping is in every one. Just like the Primetime with Derbies and Coctails.

Sounds like you are changing your story.

You brought the fanduel lobby discussion here from another thread. Completely different stratosphere. Not sure why you and Glenn think that a fan duel cash game lobby discussion would have anything to do with this discussion. Makes no sense whatsoever. WTF does a fan duel cash game discussion in a completely different thread possibly have to do with Maxdulury entering 888 teams in a multi entry Draft Kings tourney or me and Joe combining to have 16 teams in the primetime? No clue where you are going other than another horrible attempt at trying to make someone look bad. Obviously you don't know much about the daily landscape. I thought Glenn did though. I am done know. Can't continue this nonsense with a guy that don't even have a clue about the difference between daily cash games and huge multi field tourneys. Getting dumber by the second listening to this.

[Glenneration X]

I don't play Draftkings. But you didn't say Draftkings, you said Fanduel. And lovesbases. And I know what it's like when looking at games on Fanduel. Lovesbases and zzzimsleeping is in every one. Just like the Primetime with Derbies and Coctails.

Sounds like you are changing your story.

You brought the fanduel lobby discussion here from another thread. Completely different stratosphere. Not sure why you and Glenn think that a fan duel cash game lobby discussion would have anything to do with this discussion. Makes no sense whatsoever. WTF does a fan duel cash game discussion in a completely different thread possibly have to do with Maxdulury entering 888 teams in a multi entry Draft Kings tourney or me and Joe combining to have 16 teams in the primetime? No clue where you are going other than another horrible attempt at trying to make someone look bad. Obviously you don't know much about the daily landscape. I thought Glenn did though. I am done know. Can't continue this nonsense with a guy that don't even have a clue about the difference between daily cash games and huge multi field tourneys. Getting dumber by the second listening to this.

As you know, I do play the daily game, and I do believe I have an understanding of them as well as an understanding of the issues you bring up.

That said, the "Maxdulury having 888 entries in a single tourney" concern might not be the best example of the specific comparison that Dave is discussing in his posts. Luckily, the NFBC does not allow multiple entries in a single league, which if allowed would be a more equitable comparison to what Maxdulury and others are doing in the large field daily tourneys.

I believe a truer example to what Dave is discussing is what was also put forth in this and other threads by you and others. That of Lovebases and others having an entry in every 50/50. There's no avoiding facing them in any 50/50 at Fanduel, just like there was no avoiding you in any league of the Primetime this year. I believe this is all Dave was stating. And as it affected your desire to play 50/50's at Fanduel, it affected Dave's desire to play the Primetime here.

Again, personally I have no issue with them entering every 50/50, or you entering every Primetime for that matter. They still have to put together a lineup that will beat mine, and you will still have to draft and manage a team that will beat mine.

However, your specific statement that you had issue with being forced to face Lovebases if playing a 50/50 is comparable to Dave's statement of being forced to play you in a Primetime. The games are different as you point out, the dynamic discussed however is very much the same.

By the way for anyone who doesn't know, Fanduel does offer single entry tourneys for anyone trying to avoid the Maxdulury concern referenced in this thread as well.