2016 Plans For Primetime & Online Championship

[Money]

Thanks Dustin.

BK, just more of the same. We're certainly not ungrateful for the NFBC. Greg asked for feedback, it differs from yours. Big deal, go bully elsewhere.

[Greg Ambrosius]

We could go back-and-forth all day long on the merits of one plan over another, but that's not the goal here. I'm not looking for that. Let everyone say what they think of the plan and let's move on.

I understand the negative of eliminating a contest that just two years ago had a $100,000 grand prize. From a player's perspective, who wouldn't want that contest when it's paying out 95%? I mean, who cares if the game operator screwed up as long as that continues, right?

But I'm saying here and now that the customer has spoken and the customer is always right. For four years we've offered a second type of Main Event -- a 12-team Main Event -- as a stand-alone product and we've failed to sell it out once. To try it a fifth year at the same plan doesn't make financial sense.

But we want to keep a second live event option for 12-team lovers and we want to build a contest with strong league prizes at an affordable price. I think we have a plan in place that will grow our numbers in the 12-team format and who knows, maybe one day it will be proven that a stand-alone 12-team product is needed. Let's all hope for that.

Of course some owners won't like it. If I were Chad and Joe, I wouldn't want this consolidation, either. Why get mad at them for speaking the truth? If you were in their shoes after winning $305,000, would you express your feelings any other way? Of course not. But my decision here is about the long-term health of our contest and this needs to be dealt with head on. Heck, when every other contest exceeds expectations and this one falls well below expectations for the fourth straight year you have to do something about the format. How could anyone fault us for that?

We've chosen this path, so let all opinions fall on this thread. That's what I've asked for, even if you don't agree with them. I'm trying to finalize plans over the next week so that we can have the site ready after the World Series and ready for DC drafts and Registration. Keep me moving forward with constructive criticism and feedback. Thanks all.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Greg,

If I understand correctly, the Primetime had a total of 17 leagues this past year, and one owner had a total of 16 teams.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that was a successful attempt at "buying" the championship. Given the massive overlay, good strategic move for the owner; however bad for your business. Why would anyone want to sign up for a situation like that moving forward? I certainly wouldn't.

I'm not big on 12 teamers; however I did win my only OLC last year. Will consider new format next year.

I think this is an unfair criticism of Chad. Quantity doesn't guarantee ANYTHING. You should know that Mark as a few years ago you had dozens of Draft Champions teams and didn't win the overall. Chad was guaranteed of nothing in the Primetime and turned $27,000 into $126,500, not counting the $75,000 bonus he won. AND he had only 3 Online Championship teams, a number MUCH lower than other owners had and yet he bested 1,500 teams to win that overall championship. Take NOTHING away from his historic accomplishment in 2015.

Again, quantity guarantees NOTHING. It helps, but enough of trying to bash any accomplishment in 2015.

Bad for business is 204 teams when prizes are based on 300. Sure, that's $326,400 in revenue, but I think the current plan could invigorate this 12-team format and add $250,000 just in the Online Championship Plus. And say what you want about the long odds in this format, but $350 (or $750) to win $100,000 should be more appealing this year as well. I remember a time when I was worried about the Online Championship reaching its goals when the grand prize was $30,000. We've come a long way baby since 2009 when we were the first to debut (since copied by many) the $350 Online Championship format.

I'm sad to say goodbye to the NFBC XII or the Primetime or Double Play or whatever we called this format. Let's all hope the Rotowire Online Championship and the Online Championship Plus take us to a higher level and better payouts for everyone.

[Greg Ambrosius]

For me, the only one was the primetime, since I cannot trust the contained leagues to be played out with dignity.

As long as I'm being a hard ass on Gekko, I might as well be a hard ass on you as well today Champ!! I can't remember a better year in the NFBC for our private high-dollar leagues than this one. It seemed like every league had several teams fighting for prize money in the final days and so many leagues went right down to the final at-bats. Heck, the Platinum League finished in a tie and you never heard a single word about any issues at any point in the year.

The private leagues are tough with a lot of money at stake. There can always be disagreements in any league, but there certainly are a lot of people who believe in the dignity and trust of these leagues. I hope these continue to grow as well because the competition is incredibly tough in these private leagues.

[Gekko]

Greg,

We'll chat in Vegas...over beers of course

[BK METS]

Thanks Dustin.

BK, just more of the same. We're certainly not ungrateful for the NFBC. Greg asked for feedback, it differs from yours. Big deal, go bully elsewhere.

Yup, that's exactly what I was doing... Bullying the defending champs in a contest that was losing money by commenting that these same champions wont play a new structure and part of the reasoning was because "the goal is to play bad players, not better players." My comments werent to criticize your accomplishments. I think you did amazing this year. No doubt. And I definitely understand why you would not want it changing. But this is like an employer paying their employees in one department big money, even while that department is losing money.This change will salvage a format that wasn't working and will sell out. If you guys don't join for whatever reason, it will be a shame, since it will be good to play against you and leagues in football and baseball with Chad are always a challenge. Hopefully you guys change your mind.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

For me, the only one was the primetime, since I cannot trust the contained leagues to be played out with dignity.

As long as I'm being a hard ass on Gekko, I might as well be a hard ass on you as well today Champ!! I can't remember a better year in the NFBC for our private high-dollar leagues than this one. It seemed like every league had several teams fighting for prize money in the final days and so many leagues went right down to the final at-bats. Heck, the Platinum League finished in a tie and you never heard a single word about any issues at any point in the year.

The private leagues are tough with a lot of money at stake. There can always be disagreements in any league, but there certainly are a lot of people who believe in the dignity and trust of these leagues. I hope these continue to grow as well because the competition is incredibly tough in these private leagues.

Good to hear there were no ridiculous lineup moves that affected outcomes this year. They shouldn't happen. That doesn't mean I trust it wouldn't happen to me again. Like I have said many times, they are thrown into the main event standings so that cannot happen, I would play every single one. But that is obviously not going to happen.

As for the primetime, I certainly understand the need to try something new. You gotta make some money or it is not worth running. I am in the minority of liking the 12 teamers far more. Completely different skills required to win and they play to my strengths. I can overcome injury to an extent in that. It is very difficult in the 15 teamer. Me not liking it, has no bearing on if it is the right move or not. Just not a fit for me, that's all.

[Glenneration X]

For me, the only one was the primetime, since I cannot trust the contained leagues to be played out with dignity.

I suppose the definition of dignity for some is to publicly whine for a year.

[Money]

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[Cocktails and Dreams]

For me, the only one was the primetime, since I cannot trust the contained leagues to be played out with dignity.

I suppose the definition of dignity for some is to publicly whine for a year.

I suppose the definition of playing out with dignity to some is to admittedly play a sub par lineup. Although, judging by how quickly your chasing the 2015 NFBC blog came to a crashing halt, perhaps you do that more often than I thought.

[Yah Mule]

Message boards are like a shitty marriage. An argument about anything becomes an argument about everything that ever happened.

[Glenneration X]

For me, the only one was the primetime, since I cannot trust the contained leagues to be played out with dignity.

I suppose the definition of dignity for some is to publicly whine for a year.

I suppose the definition of playing out with dignity to some is to admittedly play a sub par lineup. Although, judging by how quickly your chasing the 2015 NFBC blog came to a crashing halt, perhaps you do that more often than I thought.

Didn't know you were a follower of my blog. I'm flattered.

I am sorry to have disappointed you with the shortened duration of this year's thread. For those of us with family, a career outside of fantasy sports, other interests, etc., sometimes we have to make tough choices with the time left over that we can dedicate to this hobby. This year unfortunately, the blog needed to be sacrificed early on. I know you probably can't relate without what I'm sure you would consider pesky inconveniences like a job and/or young kids and can spend all the time in the world on your hundreds of fantasy teams and the message boards as your number one priority. You probably consider yourself lucky.

Maybe in 20 or so years, when my kids have moved on and started families of their own, and if I'm retired by then, I'll be able to enjoy having hundreds of teams too. Though I'm sure the wife might object a bit.

[Glenneration X]

Having to respond to subtle snipes aside and to get this thread back on task, my opinion of the change in format is if it's a good move for the contest's viability and ability to profit and sustain, then it's a good move period. Unfortunately, I've seen what happens when companies continue with a business model that loses money. Everyone ends up losing in the end.

The vast majority of the customer base has spoken through the years and that is apparent in the numbers. Greg, Tom, I'm glad to see that you are hearing it loud and clear. Personally, I'll support the new format with my participation. I truly hope it succeeds.

[Greg Ambrosius]

All right, all right, this isn't the forum to re-start old feuds. We're past that. Email is a good spot for an Internet fight, not our public forums.

This thread is for the introduction of the Online Championship Plus next year and the grand prize in the Online Championship growing to $100,000. Let's keep the focus there. Thanks all.

[Cocktails and Dreams]

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Didn't know you were a follower of my blog. I'm flattered.

I am sorry to have disappointed you with the shortened duration of this year's thread. For those of us with family, a career outside of fantasy sports, other interests, etc., sometimes we have to make tough choices with the time left over that we can dedicate to this hobby. This year unfortunately, the blog needed to be sacrificed early on. I know you probably can't relate without what I'm sure you would consider pesky inconveniences like a job and/or young kids and can spend all the time in the world on your hundreds of fantasy teams and the message boards as your number one priority. You probably consider yourself lucky.

Maybe in 20 or so years, when my kids have moved on and started families of their own, and if I'm retired by then, I'll be able to enjoy having hundreds of teams too. Though I'm sure the wife might object a bit. [/quote]

Lol at acting like your (look at me) blog wouldn't have continued if you were doing worth a damn. You are simply a fraud acting otherwise. Claiming that I think my family is a "pesky inconvenience" is absurd and further confirms my thoughts about you. You need to have your head examined if you are making claims that an NFBC message board is a larger priority than my family. I certainly consider myself lucky. I have had an amazing, exciting career for the last 16 years. I have a great family. I have an amazing wife. I live in a great place, where people have great midwestern values. You damn right I am lucky. But not despite the things you mention. Instead it is because of them.

[Glenneration X]

Didn't anyone ever tell you drinking in the afternoon and message board posting don't mix.

All joking aside Chad, after a year don't you think it's time to give it a rest. Your whiny attack posts have gotten old and honestly more than a little pathetic.

[Doctor Who]

Eeesh. I guess blogging about one's teams shouldn't happen Chad. I know at least from my angle it takes a lot of time, and sometimes feels like I'm saying the same thing over and over again so why keep posting if it the same thing. You wouldn't want to read it and i certainly didn't want to write it. I can't speak for Glenn, mostly just what my experience is since I do write a mosquito laden blog in this message board. I just thought it was a fun way to talk about ones team since a ton of people hold onto their thoughts like it is Area 51. I already know I'm a nobody and have no big winnings in my name, so maybe that's why I get away with it. Maybe I was wrong and it is too self centered to actually be entertaining as in football nobody cares about ur team but yourself. I don't know, maybe that is what it is here too. Anyways, off topic but thought I would at least comment on the blogging as I do here myself. Congrats Chad on the big year, and hopefully I can be a donator to your account next year.

From Texas and not the east coast,

Dusty

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Eeesh. I guess blogging about one's teams shouldn't happen Chad. I know at least from my angle it takes a lot of time, and sometimes feels like I'm saying the same thing over and over again so why keep posting if it the same thing. You wouldn't want to read it and i certainly didn't want to write it. I can't speak for Glenn, mostly just what my experience is since I do write a mosquito laden blog in this message board. I just thought it was a fun way to talk about ones team since a ton of people hold onto their thoughts like it is Area 51. I already know I'm a nobody and have no big winnings in my name, so maybe that's why I get away with it. Maybe I was wrong and it is too self centered to actually be entertaining as in football nobody cares about ur team but yourself. I don't know, maybe that is what it is here too. Anyways, off topic but thought I would at least comment on the blogging as I do here myself. Congrats Chad on the big year, and hopefully I can be a donator to your account next year.

From Texas and not the east coast,

Dusty

Enjoyed your blog very much. You should do one every year. Other than Dan's posts, the blogs are the best posts on the message boards. All of you that do them should continue for sure.