FSTA lobbyist

[Gekko]

From testimony today in NJ: FSTA lobbyist Jeremy Kudon: "Skill comes more into play in DFS than season-long"

https://mobile.twitter.com/LSPReport/st ... 6605062144

Greg: do u know this guy? Me thinks he has it ass backwards; however he's an FSTA lobbyist so does that mean the FSTA is throwing "season long" under the bus

[King of Queens]

Kudon also called season-long fantasy "chess" and DFS "speed chess".

Season-long and DFS are two completely different games. It would appear that Kudon is trying to paint season-long as a game for the masses, and DFS as a game for professionals.

[Bronx Yankees]

It would appear that Kudon is trying to paint season-long as a game for the masses, and DFS as a game for professionals.

Perhaps, but that certainly is not how the DFS industry is advertising its game. The DFS commercials seemingly go out of their way to showcase how "regular guys" can turn small amounts into big amounts simply by completing the easy task of filling out a lineup.

Mike

[Gekko]

Kudon: Chance is not a "material element" of daily fantasy sports.

Legislators should ask Kudon what happened with the coors/reds game when FanDuel held their marquee tournament last year and if it impacted who received prizes

[King of Queens]

Yesterday, Nick Folk was one of the most popular kickers on the DFS slate (15-20% ownership). I was at the game, watched the players go through warm ups, checked Twitter before lineup lock, etc.

At 1:25pm, it was announced that he was scratched.

Yup, no chance involved.

[Bronx Yankees]

Was at the Jets game as well. (Talk about ugly victories!) I'm not really into fantasy football myself, but, yeah, a single injury can absolutely kill you in DFS. There certainly was no news at the Stadium about Folk before the game. In fact, I didn't even notice Folk was out on Quigley's first extra point (didn't hear the Stadium announcer). I only became suspicious about Folk's health when the Jets uncharacteristically went for it on 4th-and-3 from the Jacksonville 25 in the first quarter. Nearly had heart failure when one of Quigley's later extra points hit the goal post before bouncing through.

As an aside, if sports leagues like the NFL want a cut of DFS, and they certainly enjoy the increased TV viewership as a result of fantasy, then perhaps they should require greater disclosure of injuries, etc., that impact fantasy sports. (My own pet peeve is when you lock a baseball player into your lineup only to later find out that he's going to miss multiple games on parental leave. I want WAG due dates, dammit! )

Mike

[DOUGHBOYS]

Kudon: Chance is not a "material element" of daily fantasy sports.

A foolish thing to say. Chance is a material element of all things.

“I have noticed that even those who assert that everything is predestined and that we can change nothing about it, still look both ways before they cross the street”
― Stephen Hawking

[Cocktails and Dreams]

If playing one contest there is far more skill involved in a full season contest than a daily contest. However, when you take into account that you can play about 1000 different lineup locks at a daily site during the baseball season compared to the full season, there is mass skill involved. I am not sure which is more skillful. There are completely different skills, that much I know. And I would argue that skill outweighs luck in both types of fantasy plays. Certainly in the long run. That is why I am not playing due to the scripting rules. I don't want to be at a disadvantage because I don't know how to write one.

[Gekko]

If playing one contest there is far more skill involved in a full season contest than a daily contest.

Checkmate. DFS doesn't want this truth to come out

[Greg Ambrosius]

From testimony today in NJ: FSTA lobbyist Jeremy Kudon: "Skill comes more into play in DFS than season-long"

https://mobile.twitter.com/LSPReport/st ... 6605062144

Greg: do u know this guy? Me thinks he has it ass backwards; however he's an FSTA lobbyist so does that mean the FSTA is throwing "season long" under the bus

No, I don't know this guy but he is part of the lobbying firm the FSTA works with. It kind of shows where we are right now in this discussion: We will use any leverage to gain an advantage for DFS, in this case even at the expense of season-long games. Yikes.

Obviously he's trying to make the argument that since season-long was called a skill based game in UIGEA that daily has to fall in that same category because it's as skillful OR MORE SKILLFUL than season-long. Okay, nice point but don't throw season-long under the bus for it.

I'm afraid that season-long is getting caught up in all of this DFS discussion and law making. Nevada's AG ruling had nothing to do with season-long games and yet you're now seeing companies like Yahoo exempt Nevada from season-long games. This is all amazing and a damn shame.

[King of Queens]

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/6014/l ... g-fantasy/

Here's the article summarizing Kudon's strategy.

[King of Queens]

Yes, great move on the part of the FSTA to have their lobbyist paint this picture before the committees in NJ, PA, and presumably all the rest. What is already a murky situation in Nevada will soon become an issue in all states. Doesn't seem that hard to form a clear distinction between these two VERY different types of contests.

Very disappointing.

[Gekko]

FSTA is NOT a friend of season long participants

[Greg Ambrosius]

FSTA is NOT a friend of season long participants

Listen, the PLAYERS are the ones who can affect change here. There is going to be a site that will allow players to easily voice their concerns against this movement and to easily contact your representatives. I'll post that URL shortly and hopefully we all reach out and take part in this.

NOBODY is asking their legislators to step in and shut down season-long fantasy sports in any of these states. We all get the need to step in and make waves on DFS, and hopefully sane decisions will be made there to make that game legal in all 50 states, safe and regulated. I'm sure it can be done.

But the fact that ALL pay-to-play fantasy games could be affected was never the reason for this movement. We need to reach out and make that known to these legislators. I really think enough people can make a difference here and we have to do it. Let's stop bitching about this, blaming an organization and get this done. If they hear from enough of us, hopefully they will word these bills correctly and mirror what UIGEA had intended.

[Gekko]

I anticipate crafting an email tonight to the committee chairperson to ask for a meeting (or to testify at a hearing). I'd like to clear up some misinformation as well as ask a couple questions. I will be using my experience in the NFBC to craft my season-long "testimony"

[Gekko]

And yes, I will be referencing FSTA lobbyist Jeremy Kudon as a bullshitter IMO in a diplomatic nature if possible

[Gekko]

So it's up to the season long players to start a movement while the FSTA is driving a bus over us?? Doesn't seem right. Why isn't the FSTA telling their lobbyist to make the distinction between DFS and season-long games when he testifies? Like most things in life, I'm guessing we just need to "follow the money" and we'll have our answer

[Greg Ambrosius]

So it's up to the season long players to start a movement while the FSTA is driving a bus over us?? Doesn't seem right. Why isn't the FSTA telling their lobbyist to make the distinction between DFS and season-long games when he testifies? Like most things in life, I'm guessing we just need to "follow the money" and we'll have our answer

I assume you answered your own question and don't need me anymore....

[Greg Ambrosius]

Don't look now, but there was actually common sense in Florida today:

The news came via a press release issued by Republican state Senator Joe Negron and Representative Matt Gaetz. According to the press release, the two legislators had this to say:

“Currently, 3 million Floridians participate in fantasy sports contests, from traditional leagues with friends or coworkers, to the newer, daily fantasy sports contests,” said Senator Negron. “I do not believe that these Floridians should be at risk of criminal prosecution for doing nothing more than participating in the fantasy sports contests they enjoy. However, due to a dated Attorney General opinion, there is a need to clarify in Florida law that fantasy sports are legal, as well as institute commonsense regulations that address consumers. I believe this legislation will do just that.”

“Government should have little to no involvement in the recreational daily lives of Floridians,” said Representative Gaetz. “I have played fantasy football since I was a freshman in high school, and I have never felt the need for protection from the government. Unfortunately, we have some ambitious prosecutors who want to make criminals out of the 3 million Floridians who play fantasy football, which makes this legislation necessary.”

[Greg Ambrosius]

I anticipate crafting an email tonight to the committee chairperson to ask for a meeting (or to testify at a hearing). I'd like to clear up some misinformation as well as ask a couple questions. I will be using my experience in the NFBC to craft my season-long "testimony"

Circle Nov. 19th on your calendar and get in front of these folks. Here's today's overview in Pennsylvania:

http://www.legalsportsreport.com/6027/p ... ign=buffer

[Greg Ambrosius]

New Jersey is more worried about protecting gaming revenue in the state than protecting DFS players as you can see here:

Caputo: Daily Fantasy Needs Regulation for Protection of Consumers but Reform Must Include Big Picture

(TRENTON) - Assembly Tourism, Gaming and the Arts Chairman Ralph Caputo (D-Essex) released the following statement Monday after the panel heard testimony on the impact daily fantasy sports web sites are having on New Jersey's gaming industry:

"New Jersey's gaming industry has been hit hard in recent years from new competition, costing the state revenue for vital programs for senior citizens and disabled residents. As we heard, the increased use of daily fantasy sports web sites is proving to be another challenge.

"It's difficult to understand how daily fantasy is not considered gaming, but that's a question for federal law. Here in New Jersey, we have to be concerned about this being unregulated, especially amid worries about the integrity of these corporations.

"We also have to worry about fairness, with daily fantasy being exempt from the protective rules and fair taxation applied to our online gaming industry.

"This was the start of an effort. Clearly, regulation is going to be needed, especially to protect New Jersey's gaming industry, but this needs to be done with the big picture in mind. This includes waiting to see how our bid to bring sports gaming to New Jersey plays out in the courts."

[Cocktails and Dreams]

FSTA is NOT a friend of season long participants

Don't get me started again on the damn FSTA:)

[Gekko]

Chad and I agree on two things in the same day!!!! Shit, we must be right

[Gekko]

Hopefully FSTA lobbyist Jeremy Kudon wasn't expecting to be paid based on his performance

[Ichiban]

If playing one contest there is far more skill involved in a full season contest than a daily contest. However, when you take into account that you can play about 1000 different lineup locks at a daily site during the baseball season compared to the full season, there is mass skill involved. I am not sure which is more skillful. There are completely different skills, that much I know. And I would argue that skill outweighs luck in both types of fantasy plays. Certainly in the long run. That is why I am not playing due to the scripting rules. I don't want to be at a disadvantage because I don't know how to write one.

Agree with this 100%. Both are skillful, in different ways. And I too am staying away from serious DFS involvement because of my lack of scripting skills, just like I avoided the online poker games that depended the most on trackers. But I don't see how anyone can deny that both DFS and season-long fantasy take a massive amount of skill to win consistently at, along with some luck. And that it's pretty hard to really say one is more/less skillful than the other over the long haul, since they are just very different.