2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
- Greg Ambrosius
- Posts: 41077
- Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:00 pm
- Contact:
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Careful here on these early drafts: I see Michael Brantley just went 64th in a current NFBC draft. Here's the latest injury report from Paul Hoynes: Source close to situation says LF Michael Brantley (shoulder surgery in Nov.) might not play until June. Indians say that's not so.
The trade of Chapman to LAD also could be interesting. There's reports that Kenley Jansen won't stand to be an 8th inning setup guy. Is another trade needed here? Jansen is also going in the 5th round in our early drafts. Let's see what happens now.
The trade of Chapman to LAD also could be interesting. There's reports that Kenley Jansen won't stand to be an 8th inning setup guy. Is another trade needed here? Jansen is also going in the 5th round in our early drafts. Let's see what happens now.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
A lot of speculation that Jansen and his agent won't want the set up role in a walk year, but I hope they think about it before they make any decisions. The teams who are looking for a closer in 2017 aren't going to forget Jansen's stellar track record if he decides to set up for one year on a team that could be in the World Series.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
I can totally understand their plight.Yah Mule wrote:A lot of speculation that Jansen and his agent won't want the set up role in a walk year, but I hope they think about it before they make any decisions. The teams who are looking for a closer in 2017 aren't going to forget Jansen's stellar track record if he decides to set up for one year on a team that could be in the World Series.
Most Closers do not fall back to set-up men unless they've had under performance.
Can Jansen be happy as a set-up guy?
Can Jansen be productive as a set-up guy?
Will it bore him as a Closer coming into a game in a non-Save situation?
If I am Jansen's agent, I don't want those questions answered at all. I want my client in a role in which he has excelled the last few years.
A part of our brain thinks that he is getting paid to pitch, JUST PITCH! The eighth inning should be easier.
But, in the present day with fragile ego's and so much money on the line, things are different.
Who Closes in San Diego? Colorado? Tampa? Washington? Oakland? Atlanta? Cincinnati? Arizona? Milwaukee? Seattle?
None of these teams have a tried and true Closer. Some, don't have a Closer at all.
It sure makes it tough for early drafters.
One 50 round draft I am in has five relievers in Brewers uniform drafted. Five.
Folks are rolling the dice.
This Closer carousel is affecting both real and fantasy baseball, for sure.
On my tombstone-
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Kenley really has zero leverage. I would slot him between Yimi and Aroldis and buzzsaw my way through the division.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
On paper, it looks great.Yah Mule wrote:Kenley really has zero leverage. I would slot him between Yimi and Aroldis and buzzsaw my way through the division.
Drew Storen was the last Closer in Jansen's position. That did not work out well.
And Storen is now a little less thought of.
Jansen has more Closing experience. Which may make his new situation worse.
I'm guessing Jansen's agent stays in the Dodgers ear till his client is traded away.
The player ALWAYS has leverage now. No matter his contract status.
An agent makes the Nationals re-think in whether to extend Strasburg's innings into the most important games.
An agent makes the Mets re-think limiting Harvey.
An agent will say that his player is not happy and doesn't perform well when glum.
That his player could be a bad clubhouse guy now, because of the situation.
As good as Garcia/Jansen/Chapman looks on paper, if the middle link is not happy and doesn't like the role, it'll change those numbers on paper.
The game has changed.
On my tombstone-
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Storen did implode after getting his job handed to the World's Greatest Teammate mid-season, but the Nationals were looking for an excuse to lay down.DOUGHBOYS wrote:On paper, it looks great.Yah Mule wrote:Kenley really has zero leverage. I would slot him between Yimi and Aroldis and buzzsaw my way through the division.
Drew Storen was the last Closer in Jansen's position. That did not work out well.
And Storen is now a little less thought of.
Jansen has more Closing experience. Which may make his new situation worse.
I'm guessing Jansen's agent stays in the Dodgers ear till his client is traded away.
The player ALWAYS has leverage now. No matter his contract status.
An agent makes the Nationals re-think in whether to extend Strasburg's innings into the most important games.
An agent makes the Mets re-think limiting Harvey.
An agent will say that his player is not happy and doesn't perform well when not happy.
That his player could be a bad clubhouse guy now, because of the situation.
As good as Garcia/Jansen/Chapman looks on paper, if the middle link is not happy and doesn't like the role, it'll change those numbers on paper.
The game has changed.
I would tell his agent that Jansen was a failed catcher when the Dodgers signed him and put him on the mound and developed him into a player on the verge of a multi million dollar contract. No way I'm trading him unless I can get substantially more than the Reds got for their fire sale. If Kenley can't get his head straight in four months, he's only hurting himself.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Hopefully, the Dodgers had the good sense to call Jansen and tell him their plans.Yah Mule wrote:Storen did implode after getting his job handed to the World's Greatest Teammate mid-season, but the Nationals were looking for an excuse to lay down.DOUGHBOYS wrote:On paper, it looks great.Yah Mule wrote:Kenley really has zero leverage. I would slot him between Yimi and Aroldis and buzzsaw my way through the division.
Drew Storen was the last Closer in Jansen's position. That did not work out well.
And Storen is now a little less thought of.
Jansen has more Closing experience. Which may make his new situation worse.
I'm guessing Jansen's agent stays in the Dodgers ear till his client is traded away.
The player ALWAYS has leverage now. No matter his contract status.
An agent makes the Nationals re-think in whether to extend Strasburg's innings into the most important games.
An agent makes the Mets re-think limiting Harvey.
An agent will say that his player is not happy and doesn't perform well when not happy.
That his player could be a bad clubhouse guy now, because of the situation.
As good as Garcia/Jansen/Chapman looks on paper, if the middle link is not happy and doesn't like the role, it'll change those numbers on paper.
The game has changed.
I would tell his agent that Jansen was a failed catcher when the Dodgers signed him and put him on the mound and developed him into a player on the verge of a multi million dollar contract. No way I'm trading him unless I can get substantially more than the Reds got for their fire sale. If Kenley can't get his head straight in four months, he's only hurting himself.
If not, and Jansen is balking, they only will have themselves to blame.
It should be really interesting to see how this plays out in real baseball and our fantasy game.
Where does Jansen get drafted in these early drafts now?
Damned intriguing.
On my tombstone-
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
- Greg Ambrosius
- Posts: 41077
- Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:00 pm
- Contact:
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
We've been a little slow with new DC league results, but here's the latest one. Enjoy:
NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Bryce Harper RF
1 2 Mike Trout CF
1 3 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 4 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 5 Josh Donaldson 3B
1 6 Carlos Correa SS
1 7 Giancarlo Stanton RF
1 8 Anthony Rizzo 1B
1 9 Manny Machado 3B
1 10 Nolan Arenado 3B
1 11 Kris Bryant 3B
1 12 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 13 Max Scherzer SP
1 14 Andrew McCutchen CF
1 15 A.J. Pollock CF
Round 2:
2 1 Mookie Betts CF
2 2 Jose Altuve 2B
2 3 Jake Arrieta SP
2 4 Dee Gordon 2B
2 5 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 6 Buster Posey C
2 7 Starling Marte LF
2 8 J.D. Martinez RF
2 9 George Springer RF
2 10 Kyle Schwarber LF
2 11 Chris Sale SP
2 12 Jose Abreu 1B
2 13 David Price SP
2 14 Jose Bautista RF
2 15 Madison Bumgarner SP
Round 3:
3 1 Matt Harvey SP
3 2 Dallas Keuchel SP
3 3 Yoenis Cespedes LF
3 4 Corey Kluber SP
3 5 Joey Votto 1B
3 6 Zack Greinke SP
3 7 Jose Fernandez SP
3 8 Gerrit Cole SP
3 9 Chris Davis 1B
3 10 Jacob deGrom SP
3 11 Nelson Cruz RF
3 12 Stephen Strasburg SP
3 13 Charlie Blackmon CF
3 14 Troy Tulowitzki SS
3 15 Noah Syndergaard SP
Round 4:
4 1 Adam Wainwright SP
4 2 Chris Archer SP
4 3 Lorenzo Cain CF
4 4 Felix Hernandez SP
4 5 Craig Kimbrel MR
4 6 Carlos Carrasco SP
4 7 Ryan Braun RF
4 8 Jon Lester SP
4 9 Justin Upton LF
4 10 Eric Hosmer 1B
4 11 Corey Seager SS
4 12 Carlos Gonzalez RF
4 13 Todd Frazier 3B
4 14 Anthony Rendon 2B
4 15 Carlos Gomez CF
Round 5:
5 1 Matt Carpenter 3B
5 2 Prince Fielder 1B
5 3 Yasiel Puig RF
5 4 Miguel Sano 3B
5 5 Robinson Cano 2B
5 6 Sonny Gray SP
5 7 Danny Salazar SP
5 8 Francisco Lindor SS
5 9 Cole Hamels SP
5 10 Xander Bogaerts SS
5 11 Michael Brantley LF
5 12 Brian Dozier 2B
5 13 Adam Jones CF
5 14 Freddie Freeman 1B
5 15 Wade Davis MR
Round 6:
6 1 Jeurys Familia MR
6 2 Aroldis Chapman MR
6 3 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
6 4 Kyle Seager 3B
6 5 Michael Wacha SP
6 6 Jason Heyward RF
6 7 Jason Kipnis 2B
6 8 Albert Pujols 1B
6 9 Billy Hamilton CF
6 10 Mark Melancon MR
6 11 Ken Giles MR
6 12 Ben Revere LF
6 13 Steven Matz SP
6 14 Andrew Miller MR
6 15 Rougned Odor 2B
Thoughts?
NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Bryce Harper RF
1 2 Mike Trout CF
1 3 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 4 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 5 Josh Donaldson 3B
1 6 Carlos Correa SS
1 7 Giancarlo Stanton RF
1 8 Anthony Rizzo 1B
1 9 Manny Machado 3B
1 10 Nolan Arenado 3B
1 11 Kris Bryant 3B
1 12 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 13 Max Scherzer SP
1 14 Andrew McCutchen CF
1 15 A.J. Pollock CF
Round 2:
2 1 Mookie Betts CF
2 2 Jose Altuve 2B
2 3 Jake Arrieta SP
2 4 Dee Gordon 2B
2 5 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 6 Buster Posey C
2 7 Starling Marte LF
2 8 J.D. Martinez RF
2 9 George Springer RF
2 10 Kyle Schwarber LF
2 11 Chris Sale SP
2 12 Jose Abreu 1B
2 13 David Price SP
2 14 Jose Bautista RF
2 15 Madison Bumgarner SP
Round 3:
3 1 Matt Harvey SP
3 2 Dallas Keuchel SP
3 3 Yoenis Cespedes LF
3 4 Corey Kluber SP
3 5 Joey Votto 1B
3 6 Zack Greinke SP
3 7 Jose Fernandez SP
3 8 Gerrit Cole SP
3 9 Chris Davis 1B
3 10 Jacob deGrom SP
3 11 Nelson Cruz RF
3 12 Stephen Strasburg SP
3 13 Charlie Blackmon CF
3 14 Troy Tulowitzki SS
3 15 Noah Syndergaard SP
Round 4:
4 1 Adam Wainwright SP
4 2 Chris Archer SP
4 3 Lorenzo Cain CF
4 4 Felix Hernandez SP
4 5 Craig Kimbrel MR
4 6 Carlos Carrasco SP
4 7 Ryan Braun RF
4 8 Jon Lester SP
4 9 Justin Upton LF
4 10 Eric Hosmer 1B
4 11 Corey Seager SS
4 12 Carlos Gonzalez RF
4 13 Todd Frazier 3B
4 14 Anthony Rendon 2B
4 15 Carlos Gomez CF
Round 5:
5 1 Matt Carpenter 3B
5 2 Prince Fielder 1B
5 3 Yasiel Puig RF
5 4 Miguel Sano 3B
5 5 Robinson Cano 2B
5 6 Sonny Gray SP
5 7 Danny Salazar SP
5 8 Francisco Lindor SS
5 9 Cole Hamels SP
5 10 Xander Bogaerts SS
5 11 Michael Brantley LF
5 12 Brian Dozier 2B
5 13 Adam Jones CF
5 14 Freddie Freeman 1B
5 15 Wade Davis MR
Round 6:
6 1 Jeurys Familia MR
6 2 Aroldis Chapman MR
6 3 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
6 4 Kyle Seager 3B
6 5 Michael Wacha SP
6 6 Jason Heyward RF
6 7 Jason Kipnis 2B
6 8 Albert Pujols 1B
6 9 Billy Hamilton CF
6 10 Mark Melancon MR
6 11 Ken Giles MR
6 12 Ben Revere LF
6 13 Steven Matz SP
6 14 Andrew Miller MR
6 15 Rougned Odor 2B
Thoughts?
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
- Edwards Kings
- Posts: 5909
- Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:00 pm
- Location: Duluth, Georgia
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
So that is six. Nice to see Trout not consensus #1. Most anomalous pick? Tyson Ross second pick of the fifth round in the third draft. Only draft Ross taken in the first six rounds. Ian Kinsler went in the first six rounds (sixth round of the first draft, and fourth round of the second draft) in the first two listed, then not top 90 so far after that. 76 players were selected in all six drafts. Another 10 players were selected in either four or five of the drafts, so still, that is 86 players out of 90 shown in each draft that were selected in at least four of the six drafts. Early consensus.
LN FN 1 2 3 4 5 6 AVG #DFTS
Trout Mike 1 1 3 1 1 2 1.5 6
Harper Bryce 2 3 4 2 2 1 2.3 6
Goldschmidt Paul 3 4 5 3 3 3 3.5 6
Kershaw Clayton 8 5 1 4 4 4 4.3 6
Donaldson Josh 7 2 2 5 5 5 4.3 6
Correa Carlos 4 10 6 8 10 6 7.3 6
Arenado Nolan 5 8 7 7 13 10 8.3 6
Machado Manny 6 7 8 11 17 9 9.7 6
Bryant Kris 9 12 9 10 11 11 10.3 6
Stanton Giancarlo 12 14 13 9 8 7 10.5 6
Rizzo Anthony 10 11 10 12 14 8 10.8 6
Cabrera Miguel 16 6 14 18 6 12 12.0 6
Scherzer Max 13 28 12 6 7 13 13.2 6
Altuve Jose 11 13 17 14 12 17 14.0 6
McCutchen Andrew 15 9 18 19 18 14 15.5 6
Gordon Dee 14 16 15 22 19 19 17.5 6
Pollock A.J. 18 20 20 15 20 15 18.0 6
Betts Mookie 20 19 21 16 21 16 18.8 6
Arrieta Jake 24 23 16 17 15 18 18.8 6
Encarnacion Edwin 29 15 11 13 28 20 19.3 6
Posey Buster 27 17 23 23 22 21 22.2 6
Springer George 25 21 26 21 27 24 24.0 6
Marte Starling 23 22 25 24 30 22 24.3 6
Greinke Zack 26 32 19 29 9 36 25.2 6
Sale Chris 22 30 31 20 23 26 25.3 6
Abreu Jose 19 29 30 27 26 27 26.3 6
Bautista Jose 17 24 24 31 33 29 26.3 6
Davis Chris 28 18 22 25 31 39 27.2 6
Bumgarner Madison 30 31 29 26 29 30 29.2 6
Votto Joey 32 25 33 30 34 35 31.5 6
Fernandez Jose 39 36 35 33 16 37 32.7 6
Schwarber Kyle 21 40 37 48 37 25 34.7 6
Blackmon Charlie 31 38 32 28 36 43 34.7 6
Price David 37 34 34 36 43 28 35.3 6
Cole Gerrit 34 37 41 37 35 38 37.0 6
Harvey Matt 40 45 27 43 40 31 37.7 6
Martinez J.D. 44 42 38 32 48 23 37.8 6
Braun Ryan 58 26 36 34 24 52 38.3 6
deGrom Jacob 38 44 39 46 25 40 38.7 6
Cespedes Yoenis 53 27 40 38 42 33 38.8 6
Kluber Corey 43 46 43 35 32 34 38.8 6
Strasburg Stephen 42 51 28 39 45 42 41.2 6
Keuchel Dallas 33 39 46 52 46 32 41.3 6
Cruz Nelson 49 33 47 44 47 41 43.5 6
Tulowitzki Troy 36 52 50 40 63 44 47.5 6
Upton Justin 46 41 53 50 49 54 48.8 6
Syndergaard Noah 41 64 49 49 51 45 49.8 6
Frazier Todd 63 50 45 45 38 58 49.8 6
Archer Chris 47 63 54 47 44 47 50.3 6
Chapman Aroldis 50 62 42 42 39 77 52.0 6
Hernandez Felix 52 59 44 57 52 49 52.2 6
Cain Lorenzo 35 57 65 54 55 48 52.3 6
Gomez Carlos 62 47 64 41 53 60 54.5 6
Cano Robinson 60 35 57 53 57 65 54.5 6
Lindor Francisco 54 54 51 59 41 68 54.5 6
Carrasco Carlos 48 68 48 62 54 51 55.2 6
Gonzalez Carlos 57 49 59 55 59 57 56.0 6
Seager Corey 69 53 58 56 50 56 57.0 6
Sano Miguel 45 55 73 67 62 64 61.0 6
Lester Jon 55 72 55 70 72 53 62.8 6
Rendon Anthony 51 70 66 72 61 59 63.2 6
Gray Sonny 56 71 63 60 69 66 64.2 6
Jones Adam 68 60 70 63 56 73 65.0 6
Bogaerts Xander 67 61 69 58 71 70 66.0 6
Davis Wade 64 76 52 69 60 75 66.0 6
Brantley Michael 88 43 64 71 66.5 4
Dozier Brian 66 58 68 64 77 72 67.5 6
Hamilton Billy 86 66 60 51 68 84 69.2 6
Kimbrel Craig 70 82 61 78 76 50 69.5 6
Seager Kyle 74 65 72 58 79 69.6 5
Gonzalez Adrian 61 67 75 68 70 78 69.8 6
Fielder Prince 72 77 74 65 62 70.0 5
Carpenter Matt 65 74 56 87 84 61 71.2 6
Hamels Cole 59 86 74 61 86 69 72.5 6
Wainwright Adam 82 77 75 85 46 73.0 5
Dickerson Corey 73 80 71 65 78 73.4 5
Hosmer Eric 79 69 86 86 67 55 73.7 6
Freeman Freddie 75 78 78 80 73 74 76.3 6
Jansen Kenley 77 87 83 71 75 78.6 5
Puig Yasiel 87 82 83 63 78.8 4
Pujols Albert 71 81 80 83 78.8 4
Salazar Danny 80 81 84 76 89 67 79.5 6
Kipnis Jason 75 67 88 88 82 80.0 5
Heyward Jason 81 85 81 77 81 81 81.0 6
Miller Andrew 78 88 82 89 79 89 84.2 6
Cueto Johnny 90 79 90 90 87.3 4
25 players we selected in half or fewer of the drafts shown.
LN FN 1 2 3 4 5 6 AVG #DFTS
Trout Mike 1 1 3 1 1 2 1.5 6
Harper Bryce 2 3 4 2 2 1 2.3 6
Goldschmidt Paul 3 4 5 3 3 3 3.5 6
Kershaw Clayton 8 5 1 4 4 4 4.3 6
Donaldson Josh 7 2 2 5 5 5 4.3 6
Correa Carlos 4 10 6 8 10 6 7.3 6
Arenado Nolan 5 8 7 7 13 10 8.3 6
Machado Manny 6 7 8 11 17 9 9.7 6
Bryant Kris 9 12 9 10 11 11 10.3 6
Stanton Giancarlo 12 14 13 9 8 7 10.5 6
Rizzo Anthony 10 11 10 12 14 8 10.8 6
Cabrera Miguel 16 6 14 18 6 12 12.0 6
Scherzer Max 13 28 12 6 7 13 13.2 6
Altuve Jose 11 13 17 14 12 17 14.0 6
McCutchen Andrew 15 9 18 19 18 14 15.5 6
Gordon Dee 14 16 15 22 19 19 17.5 6
Pollock A.J. 18 20 20 15 20 15 18.0 6
Betts Mookie 20 19 21 16 21 16 18.8 6
Arrieta Jake 24 23 16 17 15 18 18.8 6
Encarnacion Edwin 29 15 11 13 28 20 19.3 6
Posey Buster 27 17 23 23 22 21 22.2 6
Springer George 25 21 26 21 27 24 24.0 6
Marte Starling 23 22 25 24 30 22 24.3 6
Greinke Zack 26 32 19 29 9 36 25.2 6
Sale Chris 22 30 31 20 23 26 25.3 6
Abreu Jose 19 29 30 27 26 27 26.3 6
Bautista Jose 17 24 24 31 33 29 26.3 6
Davis Chris 28 18 22 25 31 39 27.2 6
Bumgarner Madison 30 31 29 26 29 30 29.2 6
Votto Joey 32 25 33 30 34 35 31.5 6
Fernandez Jose 39 36 35 33 16 37 32.7 6
Schwarber Kyle 21 40 37 48 37 25 34.7 6
Blackmon Charlie 31 38 32 28 36 43 34.7 6
Price David 37 34 34 36 43 28 35.3 6
Cole Gerrit 34 37 41 37 35 38 37.0 6
Harvey Matt 40 45 27 43 40 31 37.7 6
Martinez J.D. 44 42 38 32 48 23 37.8 6
Braun Ryan 58 26 36 34 24 52 38.3 6
deGrom Jacob 38 44 39 46 25 40 38.7 6
Cespedes Yoenis 53 27 40 38 42 33 38.8 6
Kluber Corey 43 46 43 35 32 34 38.8 6
Strasburg Stephen 42 51 28 39 45 42 41.2 6
Keuchel Dallas 33 39 46 52 46 32 41.3 6
Cruz Nelson 49 33 47 44 47 41 43.5 6
Tulowitzki Troy 36 52 50 40 63 44 47.5 6
Upton Justin 46 41 53 50 49 54 48.8 6
Syndergaard Noah 41 64 49 49 51 45 49.8 6
Frazier Todd 63 50 45 45 38 58 49.8 6
Archer Chris 47 63 54 47 44 47 50.3 6
Chapman Aroldis 50 62 42 42 39 77 52.0 6
Hernandez Felix 52 59 44 57 52 49 52.2 6
Cain Lorenzo 35 57 65 54 55 48 52.3 6
Gomez Carlos 62 47 64 41 53 60 54.5 6
Cano Robinson 60 35 57 53 57 65 54.5 6
Lindor Francisco 54 54 51 59 41 68 54.5 6
Carrasco Carlos 48 68 48 62 54 51 55.2 6
Gonzalez Carlos 57 49 59 55 59 57 56.0 6
Seager Corey 69 53 58 56 50 56 57.0 6
Sano Miguel 45 55 73 67 62 64 61.0 6
Lester Jon 55 72 55 70 72 53 62.8 6
Rendon Anthony 51 70 66 72 61 59 63.2 6
Gray Sonny 56 71 63 60 69 66 64.2 6
Jones Adam 68 60 70 63 56 73 65.0 6
Bogaerts Xander 67 61 69 58 71 70 66.0 6
Davis Wade 64 76 52 69 60 75 66.0 6
Brantley Michael 88 43 64 71 66.5 4
Dozier Brian 66 58 68 64 77 72 67.5 6
Hamilton Billy 86 66 60 51 68 84 69.2 6
Kimbrel Craig 70 82 61 78 76 50 69.5 6
Seager Kyle 74 65 72 58 79 69.6 5
Gonzalez Adrian 61 67 75 68 70 78 69.8 6
Fielder Prince 72 77 74 65 62 70.0 5
Carpenter Matt 65 74 56 87 84 61 71.2 6
Hamels Cole 59 86 74 61 86 69 72.5 6
Wainwright Adam 82 77 75 85 46 73.0 5
Dickerson Corey 73 80 71 65 78 73.4 5
Hosmer Eric 79 69 86 86 67 55 73.7 6
Freeman Freddie 75 78 78 80 73 74 76.3 6
Jansen Kenley 77 87 83 71 75 78.6 5
Puig Yasiel 87 82 83 63 78.8 4
Pujols Albert 71 81 80 83 78.8 4
Salazar Danny 80 81 84 76 89 67 79.5 6
Kipnis Jason 75 67 88 88 82 80.0 5
Heyward Jason 81 85 81 77 81 81 81.0 6
Miller Andrew 78 88 82 89 79 89 84.2 6
Cueto Johnny 90 79 90 90 87.3 4
25 players we selected in half or fewer of the drafts shown.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
Charles Krauthammer
Charles Krauthammer
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Interesting data. Some players with low consensus:
Scherzer Max 13 28 12 6 7 13
Encarnacion Edwin 29 15 11 13 28 20
Greinke Zack 26 32 19 29 9 36
Davis Chris 28 18 22 25 31 39
Schwarber Kyle 21 40 37 48 37 25
Braun Ryan 58 26 36 34 24 52
The market is pretty tight on these:
Bumgarner Madison 30 31 29 26 29 30
Cole Gerrit 34 37 41 37 35 38
Gonzalez Carlos 57 49 59 55 59 57
Freeman Freddie 75 78 78 80 73 74
Heyward Jason 81 85 81 77 81 81
Scherzer Max 13 28 12 6 7 13
Encarnacion Edwin 29 15 11 13 28 20
Greinke Zack 26 32 19 29 9 36
Davis Chris 28 18 22 25 31 39
Schwarber Kyle 21 40 37 48 37 25
Braun Ryan 58 26 36 34 24 52
The market is pretty tight on these:
Bumgarner Madison 30 31 29 26 29 30
Cole Gerrit 34 37 41 37 35 38
Gonzalez Carlos 57 49 59 55 59 57
Freeman Freddie 75 78 78 80 73 74
Heyward Jason 81 85 81 77 81 81
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Going 6 pitchers in a row? I think it could be genius. Just awesome drafting for a $150 mock draft. Time will tell. Have to look at the full body of work though. If you aint first you last- rick e bobby... No riskit, no bizkit - bruce arians
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Are you the moron?
- Greg Ambrosius
- Posts: 41077
- Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2004 6:00 pm
- Contact:
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Here's another one. Enjoy.
NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 2 Mike Trout CF
1 3 Bryce Harper RF
1 4 Kris Bryant 3B
1 5 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 6 Nolan Arenado 3B
1 7 Carlos Correa SS
1 8 Josh Donaldson 3B
1 9 Manny Machado 3B
1 10 Jose Altuve 2B
1 11 Giancarlo Stanton RF
1 12 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 13 Max Scherzer SP
1 14 Buster Posey C
1 15 A.J. Pollock CF
Round 2:
2 1 Mookie Betts CF
2 2 Andrew McCutchen CF
2 3 Anthony Rizzo 1B
2 4 George Springer RF
2 5 Jake Arrieta SP
2 6 Jose Fernandez SP
2 7 Jose Abreu 1B
2 8 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 9 Kyle Schwarber LF
2 10 Chris Sale SP
2 11 Madison Bumgarner SP
2 12 Starling Marte LF
2 13 Zack Greinke SP
2 14 Dee Gordon 2B
2 15 Matt Harvey SP
Round 3:
3 1 Jacob deGrom SP
3 2 Chris Davis 1B
3 3 Gerrit Cole SP
3 4 Jose Bautista RF
3 5 David Price SP
3 6 Stephen Strasburg SP
3 7 Corey Kluber SP
3 8 Dallas Keuchel SP
3 9 Carlos Carrasco SP
3 10 Joey Votto 1B
3 11 Matt Carpenter 3B
3 12 Noah Syndergaard SP
3 13 Chris Archer SP
3 14 Felix Hernandez SP
3 15 Troy Tulowitzki SS
Round 4:
4 1 Wade Davis MR
4 2 Lorenzo Cain CF
4 3 Todd Frazier 3B
4 4 Corey Seager SS
4 5 Nelson Cruz RF
4 6 Charlie Blackmon CF
4 7 Ryan Braun RF
4 8 Michael Wacha SP
4 9 Robinson Cano 2B
4 10 Justin Upton LF
4 11 Kenley Jansen MR
4 12 Sonny Gray SP
4 13 Yoenis Cespedes LF
4 14 J.D. Martinez RF
4 15 Craig Kimbrel MR
Round 5:
5 1 Carlos Gomez CF
5 2 Andrew Miller MR
5 3 Eric Hosmer 1B
5 4 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
5 5 Jason Heyward RF
5 6 Adam Jones CF
5 7 Jon Lester SP
5 8 Miguel Sano 3B
5 9 Carlos Gonzalez RF
5 10 Jason Kipnis 2B
5 11 Cole Hamels SP
5 12 Brian Dozier 2B
5 13 Kyle Seager 3B
5 14 Xander Bogaerts SS
5 15 Corey Dickerson LF
Round 6:
6 1 Danny Salazar SP
6 2 Francisco Lindor SS
6 3 Anthony Rendon 2B
6 4 Yasiel Puig RF
6 5 Michael Brantley LF
6 6 Adam Wainwright SP
6 7 Ken Giles MR
6 8 Ben Revere LF
6 9 Freddie Freeman 1B
6 10 Matt Kemp RF
6 11 Adam Eaton CF
6 12 Aroldis Chapman MR
6 13 Jacoby Ellsbury CF
6 14 Adrian Beltre 3B
6 15 Gregory Polanco RF
Thoughts?
NFBC Draft Champions League
Round 1:
1 1 Paul Goldschmidt 1B
1 2 Mike Trout CF
1 3 Bryce Harper RF
1 4 Kris Bryant 3B
1 5 Clayton Kershaw SP
1 6 Nolan Arenado 3B
1 7 Carlos Correa SS
1 8 Josh Donaldson 3B
1 9 Manny Machado 3B
1 10 Jose Altuve 2B
1 11 Giancarlo Stanton RF
1 12 Miguel Cabrera 1B
1 13 Max Scherzer SP
1 14 Buster Posey C
1 15 A.J. Pollock CF
Round 2:
2 1 Mookie Betts CF
2 2 Andrew McCutchen CF
2 3 Anthony Rizzo 1B
2 4 George Springer RF
2 5 Jake Arrieta SP
2 6 Jose Fernandez SP
2 7 Jose Abreu 1B
2 8 Edwin Encarnacion 1B
2 9 Kyle Schwarber LF
2 10 Chris Sale SP
2 11 Madison Bumgarner SP
2 12 Starling Marte LF
2 13 Zack Greinke SP
2 14 Dee Gordon 2B
2 15 Matt Harvey SP
Round 3:
3 1 Jacob deGrom SP
3 2 Chris Davis 1B
3 3 Gerrit Cole SP
3 4 Jose Bautista RF
3 5 David Price SP
3 6 Stephen Strasburg SP
3 7 Corey Kluber SP
3 8 Dallas Keuchel SP
3 9 Carlos Carrasco SP
3 10 Joey Votto 1B
3 11 Matt Carpenter 3B
3 12 Noah Syndergaard SP
3 13 Chris Archer SP
3 14 Felix Hernandez SP
3 15 Troy Tulowitzki SS
Round 4:
4 1 Wade Davis MR
4 2 Lorenzo Cain CF
4 3 Todd Frazier 3B
4 4 Corey Seager SS
4 5 Nelson Cruz RF
4 6 Charlie Blackmon CF
4 7 Ryan Braun RF
4 8 Michael Wacha SP
4 9 Robinson Cano 2B
4 10 Justin Upton LF
4 11 Kenley Jansen MR
4 12 Sonny Gray SP
4 13 Yoenis Cespedes LF
4 14 J.D. Martinez RF
4 15 Craig Kimbrel MR
Round 5:
5 1 Carlos Gomez CF
5 2 Andrew Miller MR
5 3 Eric Hosmer 1B
5 4 Adrian Gonzalez 1B
5 5 Jason Heyward RF
5 6 Adam Jones CF
5 7 Jon Lester SP
5 8 Miguel Sano 3B
5 9 Carlos Gonzalez RF
5 10 Jason Kipnis 2B
5 11 Cole Hamels SP
5 12 Brian Dozier 2B
5 13 Kyle Seager 3B
5 14 Xander Bogaerts SS
5 15 Corey Dickerson LF
Round 6:
6 1 Danny Salazar SP
6 2 Francisco Lindor SS
6 3 Anthony Rendon 2B
6 4 Yasiel Puig RF
6 5 Michael Brantley LF
6 6 Adam Wainwright SP
6 7 Ken Giles MR
6 8 Ben Revere LF
6 9 Freddie Freeman 1B
6 10 Matt Kemp RF
6 11 Adam Eaton CF
6 12 Aroldis Chapman MR
6 13 Jacoby Ellsbury CF
6 14 Adrian Beltre 3B
6 15 Gregory Polanco RF
Thoughts?
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
-
- Posts: 1239
- Joined: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:16 pm
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
I currently have Goldschmidt and then Trout at the top of my rankings, and so it was interesting to see that I'm not alone in preferring Goldie. I've now seen several drafts with a Pollock/Betts combo at the turn, and I do find that an intriguing way to start a team when drafting at the back end. Should be a strong start in BA, R and SB, with decent power numbers.
Mike
Mike
Mike Mager
"Bronx Yankees"
"Bronx Yankees"
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
IMO, since it is early, throw out the high and the low for each player, then rerank. It gets rid of the extremes.Edwards Kings wrote:So that is six. Nice to see Trout not consensus #1. Most anomalous pick? Tyson Ross second pick of the fifth round in the third draft. Only draft Ross taken in the first six rounds. Ian Kinsler went in the first six rounds (sixth round of the first draft, and fourth round of the second draft) in the first two listed, then not top 90 so far after that. 76 players were selected in all six drafts. Another 10 players were selected in either four or five of the drafts, so still, that is 86 players out of 90 shown in each draft that were selected in at least four of the six drafts. Early consensus.
LN FN 1 2 3 4 5 6 AVG #DFTS
Trout Mike 1 1 3 1 1 2 1.5 6
Harper Bryce 2 3 4 2 2 1 2.3 6
Goldschmidt Paul 3 4 5 3 3 3 3.5 6
Kershaw Clayton 8 5 1 4 4 4 4.3 6
Donaldson Josh 7 2 2 5 5 5 4.3 6
Correa Carlos 4 10 6 8 10 6 7.3 6
Arenado Nolan 5 8 7 7 13 10 8.3 6
Machado Manny 6 7 8 11 17 9 9.7 6
Bryant Kris 9 12 9 10 11 11 10.3 6
Stanton Giancarlo 12 14 13 9 8 7 10.5 6
Rizzo Anthony 10 11 10 12 14 8 10.8 6
Cabrera Miguel 16 6 14 18 6 12 12.0 6
Scherzer Max 13 28 12 6 7 13 13.2 6
Altuve Jose 11 13 17 14 12 17 14.0 6
McCutchen Andrew 15 9 18 19 18 14 15.5 6
Gordon Dee 14 16 15 22 19 19 17.5 6
Pollock A.J. 18 20 20 15 20 15 18.0 6
Betts Mookie 20 19 21 16 21 16 18.8 6
Arrieta Jake 24 23 16 17 15 18 18.8 6
Encarnacion Edwin 29 15 11 13 28 20 19.3 6
Posey Buster 27 17 23 23 22 21 22.2 6
Springer George 25 21 26 21 27 24 24.0 6
Marte Starling 23 22 25 24 30 22 24.3 6
Greinke Zack 26 32 19 29 9 36 25.2 6
Sale Chris 22 30 31 20 23 26 25.3 6
Abreu Jose 19 29 30 27 26 27 26.3 6
Bautista Jose 17 24 24 31 33 29 26.3 6
Davis Chris 28 18 22 25 31 39 27.2 6
Bumgarner Madison 30 31 29 26 29 30 29.2 6
Votto Joey 32 25 33 30 34 35 31.5 6
Fernandez Jose 39 36 35 33 16 37 32.7 6
Schwarber Kyle 21 40 37 48 37 25 34.7 6
Blackmon Charlie 31 38 32 28 36 43 34.7 6
Price David 37 34 34 36 43 28 35.3 6
Cole Gerrit 34 37 41 37 35 38 37.0 6
Harvey Matt 40 45 27 43 40 31 37.7 6
Martinez J.D. 44 42 38 32 48 23 37.8 6
Braun Ryan 58 26 36 34 24 52 38.3 6
deGrom Jacob 38 44 39 46 25 40 38.7 6
Cespedes Yoenis 53 27 40 38 42 33 38.8 6
Kluber Corey 43 46 43 35 32 34 38.8 6
Strasburg Stephen 42 51 28 39 45 42 41.2 6
Keuchel Dallas 33 39 46 52 46 32 41.3 6
Cruz Nelson 49 33 47 44 47 41 43.5 6
Tulowitzki Troy 36 52 50 40 63 44 47.5 6
Upton Justin 46 41 53 50 49 54 48.8 6
Syndergaard Noah 41 64 49 49 51 45 49.8 6
Frazier Todd 63 50 45 45 38 58 49.8 6
Archer Chris 47 63 54 47 44 47 50.3 6
Chapman Aroldis 50 62 42 42 39 77 52.0 6
Hernandez Felix 52 59 44 57 52 49 52.2 6
Cain Lorenzo 35 57 65 54 55 48 52.3 6
Gomez Carlos 62 47 64 41 53 60 54.5 6
Cano Robinson 60 35 57 53 57 65 54.5 6
Lindor Francisco 54 54 51 59 41 68 54.5 6
Carrasco Carlos 48 68 48 62 54 51 55.2 6
Gonzalez Carlos 57 49 59 55 59 57 56.0 6
Seager Corey 69 53 58 56 50 56 57.0 6
Sano Miguel 45 55 73 67 62 64 61.0 6
Lester Jon 55 72 55 70 72 53 62.8 6
Rendon Anthony 51 70 66 72 61 59 63.2 6
Gray Sonny 56 71 63 60 69 66 64.2 6
Jones Adam 68 60 70 63 56 73 65.0 6
Bogaerts Xander 67 61 69 58 71 70 66.0 6
Davis Wade 64 76 52 69 60 75 66.0 6
Brantley Michael 88 43 64 71 66.5 4
Dozier Brian 66 58 68 64 77 72 67.5 6
Hamilton Billy 86 66 60 51 68 84 69.2 6
Kimbrel Craig 70 82 61 78 76 50 69.5 6
Seager Kyle 74 65 72 58 79 69.6 5
Gonzalez Adrian 61 67 75 68 70 78 69.8 6
Fielder Prince 72 77 74 65 62 70.0 5
Carpenter Matt 65 74 56 87 84 61 71.2 6
Hamels Cole 59 86 74 61 86 69 72.5 6
Wainwright Adam 82 77 75 85 46 73.0 5
Dickerson Corey 73 80 71 65 78 73.4 5
Hosmer Eric 79 69 86 86 67 55 73.7 6
Freeman Freddie 75 78 78 80 73 74 76.3 6
Jansen Kenley 77 87 83 71 75 78.6 5
Puig Yasiel 87 82 83 63 78.8 4
Pujols Albert 71 81 80 83 78.8 4
Salazar Danny 80 81 84 76 89 67 79.5 6
Kipnis Jason 75 67 88 88 82 80.0 5
Heyward Jason 81 85 81 77 81 81 81.0 6
Miller Andrew 78 88 82 89 79 89 84.2 6
Cueto Johnny 90 79 90 90 87.3 4
25 players we selected in half or fewer of the drafts shown.
Bill Cleavenger
Big Blue Nation..We don't rebuild, we reload
Big Blue Nation..We don't rebuild, we reload
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
The top end this year seems so talented. I just keep going down the list and think "he should be a first rounder, he should be a first rounder". McCutchen, Posey, Arrieta, Springer, Altuve, Pollock, and the list goes on.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
it's funny to see correa go so high. due to his hype i had a feeling he would be drafted in first half of drafts. i think people are missing a key red flag, esp given his price point. 

Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
chris davis is another player people are misreading. IF he lands on the majority of teams in the majors, he moves to a 5th rounder. his owners have to HOPE he lands back with the O's or with the yankees or in Coors. 

Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Cueto is a pitcher i can see zooming up draft boards after he signs with a prominent national league team, like the cardinals, giants or dodgers.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
i thought this would be a given; however his adp is still skyhigh
people buying dee gordon AFTER his career year already happened. folks, his batting average is gonna drop at least 30 points. maybe even 40. 383 BABIP last year. anyone think that is sustainable
what am i missing?

people buying dee gordon AFTER his career year already happened. folks, his batting average is gonna drop at least 30 points. maybe even 40. 383 BABIP last year. anyone think that is sustainable

what am i missing?
Last edited by Gekko on Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
in addition, andrew miller's price tag is too rich for me (this is coming from miller's biggest fan last year)
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
Agree. Tough to hit a ton of bombs when half your balls in play are grounders.Gekko wrote:it's funny to see correa go so high. due to his hype i had a feeling he would be drafted in first half of drafts. i think people are missing a key red flag, esp given his price point.
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
that was quick.whipsaw wrote:Agree. Tough to hit a ton of bombs when half your balls in play are grounders.Gekko wrote:it's funny to see correa go so high. due to his hype i had a feeling he would be drafted in first half of drafts. i think people are missing a key red flag, esp given his price point.
+he hit more and more GB as the season went on
+he was GB hitter in minors
+take a look at his PCL AB/HR rate. 3 HR in 113 plate appearance in the PCL

+this doesn't even include pitchers adjusting to him this offseason
i wouldn't be surprised if he hit under 20 HR this year. i didn't own him on any of my 22 teams last year, and i don't anticipate owning him this year given his ridiculous price point.
good luck folks.

Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
that's enough of a peek from my December Playbook
back to reviewing upcomimg minor leaguers

back to reviewing upcomimg minor leaguers
- Edwards Kings
- Posts: 5909
- Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 6:00 pm
- Location: Duluth, Georgia
Re: 2016 NFBC Early Draft Results
So it is Altuve for you Mark or are you going to wait for Tulo now that he is a "Value"?Gekko wrote:i thought this would be a given; however his adp is still skyhigh![]()
people buying dee gordon AFTER his career year already happened. folks, his batting average is gonna drop at least 30 points. maybe even 40. 383 BABIP last year. anyone think that is sustainable![]()
what am i missing?

Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
Charles Krauthammer
Charles Krauthammer