Things I saw on Draft Day

rfitzg23 · Post by **rfitzg23** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:21 pm

Hey Spyhunter - I was in NY 1, picked 14th. So almost right across from you. I began to wonder if you were even going to draft Pujols at 3. It was an early x-mas present I guess.

sranaghan · Post by **sranaghan** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:27 pm

schilling is in a contract year and will be fine..all I want is one of the 2 out of rj and rogers to work out and i am happy with those 2.....

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:28 pm

Originally posted by rfitzg23:

Hey Spyhunter - I was in NY 1, picked 14th. So almost right across from you. I began to wonder if you were even going to draft Pujols at 3. It was an early x-mas present I guess. Hey there Rfitzg, what did you think of #15's strategy? Unique I would say

rfitzg23 · Post by **rfitzg23** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:07 am

To say the least (although I was happy to have V. Guerrero there for me). Strangely similar to the team that picked 15th in my league last year when they took Oswalt and Carpentar with their first two picks.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:10 am

The main thing I saw on draft day was that the other teams in Tampa #1 are way too smart for me. Many of us stayed together for quite a while looking at the board after the event and I do not think any of us saw a clear winner or loser. It promises to be a tight league but one might expect that with Albert Petit, Kent Stermon, Jeff and Jeff Jr., Bobby J., Dave Clum, Zac Staples, Herb Eroh, Mike Duggan, and John Wojtowicz, and the rest of us (won't bore you by called everyone out, but you get the point).

In Tampa #1, you could pretty much throw the ADP out the window. All of my 20+ round gamble picks went two to five rounds earlier than I expected. I saw in one post where Beltran made it to the 15th...I wanted him for my #10 pick, but nooooo...Dave Clum scarfed him up. Holiday, Teixeira, and Rollins went 14, 15, 16 much to my surprise. You know you are in trouble when you like most of the other teams better than yours.

Oh, well! Like I said on Saturday, I loved my other teams coming out of the previous drafts and finished poorly. This year I hate my team, so maybe I have a chance!

[ March 20, 2007, 08:11 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

duggan · Post by **duggan** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:04 am

I SECOND THAT, I THINK WE ARE IN FOR A DOG FIGHT IN TAMPA 1, SHOULD BE A GREAT YEAR. GOOD LUCK ALL!!! KUDOS TO THE GUYS WHO RAN OUR DRAFT, JAMES, GATOR AND DON DID A GREAT JOB!

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:44 am

Great,after getting knocked off first place during the last week of the season two years in a row.Just what I was looking forward to,a dogfight. .At least the gents who beat me the last two years are in my league again. I am sure this will be a fun season.Now,if we could just get the season to start.Hopefully without any of my starters getting injured.

randallo · Post by **randallo** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:15 am

I am finally here to defend my stategy. It took me a while to get registered. I am team 15 from NY #1.

We felt that SS was by far and away the weakest position in the draft and hoped that by taking who we felt were the two best at that point (not sure if Hanley will repeat although everyone says he will) that some teams would have to start terrible SS's (like Eckstein for instance..lol) We knew the risk and also know that our MI will outproduce virtually every other MI in the league..we'll see how it works.

Re: rounds 3 and 4. I loved Zambrano and think he will outpitch Oswalt and Carpenter this year. The fact that Carpenter and Zambrano fell to us, again the way we had them slotted, made it easy for us to go after pitching there and worry about offense the next several rounds knowing we had 2 anchors for our staff.

I would like to say that you made a lot of great picks SPY ( although I can't call Pujols a great pick..just a fortunate one) but you do have Eckstein, Navvarro and Schneider currently starting. Your offense may still have enough w/ only 11 guys...but we'll see. That is why we play the games!!

I am looking forward to a fun year. It was our first NFBC draft as well, although I have been doing Fantasy BB for 17 years (I used to buy the USA Today and do the stats by hand!!). I am looking forward to some spirited discussions b/w now and opening day and really look forward to getting the games under way!!

randallo · Post by **randallo** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:29 am

For the record, here is my team. Shred it as you see fit.

C - R.Hernandez, M.Olivo

1B - Nomar G

2B - Iguchi

SS - Rollins

3B - Ensberg

MI - Tejada

CI - Jacobs

OF - Hunter, Patterson, JD Drew, J Jones, Alou

U - Nady (D.Johnson, Hamilton)

P - Carpenter, Zambano, Pettitte, Contreras, Hudson, Pavano (Francis)

RP - Jenks, F.Cordero, Orvella (Alfonseca, Reitsma).

Like to hear what anyone thinks. and I have thick skin so feel free to tell me if you think it stinks!

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:44 am

Randallo, like your offense quite a bit. Steals might be an issue. I personally would never touch Zambrano, not that he isnt very good, but that thanks to Dusty Baker his arm is going to fall off. You desperately need above average years from Contreras. Lastly, ill put my middle infielders up against yours, Utley/Rollins/B. Hall :--))

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:52 am

Originally posted by randallo:

I am finally here to defend my stategy. It took me a while to get registered. I am team 15 from NY #1.

We felt that SS was by far and away the weakest position in the draft and hoped that by taking who we felt were the two best at that point (not sure if Hanley will repeat although everyone says he will) that some teams would have to start terrible SS's (like Eckstein for instance..lol) We knew the risk and also know that our MI will outproduce virtually every other MI in the league..we'll see how it works.

Re: rounds 3 and 4. I loved Zambrano and think he will outpitch Oswalt and Carpenter this year. The fact that Carpenter and Zambrano fell to us, again the way we had them slotted, made it easy for us to go after pitching there and worry about offense the next several rounds knowing we had 2 anchors for our staff.

I would like to say that you made a lot of great picks SPY ( although I can't call Pujols a great pick..just a fortunate one) but you do have Eckstein, Navvarro and Schneider currently starting. Your offense may still have enough w/ only 11 guys...but we'll see. That is why we play the games!!

I am looking forward to a fun year. It was our first NFBC draft as well, although I have been doing Fantasy BB for 17 years (I used to buy the USA Today and do the stats by hand!!). I am looking forward to some spirited discussions b/w now and opening day and really look forward to getting the games under way!! Interesting stuff...

I had #15 also.

I had 3 plans...

1) Sizemore-Rollins

2) Rollins-Hafner

3) Rollins-Jeter

I'd done enough mocks where it was 50/50 on Sizemore and Hafner going before #15, and a few where both went.

I wanted no parts of any 1b or 3b there as there were just too many 25-95 guys later in rds 8-14 to choose from.

Plan #1 fell to me the entire draft. I got lucky and the guys at 13/14 had different strategies than mine (not that they had bad ones) and I got everyone I wanted every round except Orlando Hudson in Rd 16 and took Cantu.

I took Damon Rd 3 as I wanted another guy with a shot at 110-120 runs with some power and good speed and took F.Rodriguez at #4 because the #15 pick needs a #1 at something to offset the other end a bit.

With the projections Greg and I did before LABR, I wound up with .287, 301-1100, 1150 r, 152 sb, 96w, 79sv (more if Reitsma gets some)1190 k, 3.74, 1.30. P gets better if Hughes comes up June 1.

[ March 20, 2007, 03:01 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:56 am

John, love the Sizmore/Rollins combo. Those guys should get over 1200 AB's with serious production.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:06 am

Originally posted by randallo:

For the record, here is my team. Shred it as you see fit.

C - R.Hernandez, M.Olivo

1B - Nomar G

2B - Iguchi

SS - Rollins

3B - Ensberg

MI - Tejada

CI - Jacobs

OF - Hunter, Patterson, JD Drew, J Jones, Alou

U - Nady (D.Johnson, Hamilton)

P - Carpenter, Zambano, Pettitte, Contreras, Hudson, Pavano (Francis)

RP - Jenks, F.Cordero, Orvella (Alfonseca, Reitsma).

Like to hear what anyone thinks. and I have thick skin so feel free to tell me if you think it stinks! No shredding Randallo. You picked a strategy and went with it. Good for you.

You truly do have a strong MI, but like you said it is generally related to weak positions. I agree speed might be an issue as Rollins, Patterson, and Hunter will have to carry your team. The rest of the team would come in third in a race with with a pregnant woman!

I smile because my team has the same problem.

CM has questions. Jacobs is a talent on the rise, but Ensberg has a long way to go to get back to form. Nomar will help BA (though he will probably not hit 500 AB) and is middle of the pack (i.e. won't hurt or help much) in R, RBI and HR. C is solid. OF and UT are ok, but except for Hunter, I do not see any of them getting 500 AB, which could hurt your counting stats.

First three SP and two CL are great, IMHO. Contreras and Hudson are solid, but Hudson will not help your K's much. You will be looking for two more SP before you are done. I see this as middle of the pack finish at best, but of course, there is a whole season out there to prove me wrong, as I have been many times before. Good luck!

[ March 20, 2007, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:07 am

Originally posted by fireballs:

John, love the Sizmore/Rollins combo. Those guys should get over 1200 AB's with serious production. Thanks.. I had decided last Wed that I knew I was going to get Rollins no matter what.

I talked to about 10 owners that had #14/15 last year and this year on Friday and the guys that did well last year all had the same thing in common - Rollins.

Then on draft day, I run into Zola, and he tells me he's taking Rollins at #9, and KJ who says he's taking him at #6. Besides Bjoak, are there any others out there that crunch the numbers harder?

If Sizemore turns his 55 doubles into a few more HR this year, then he's a #5-7 pick next year.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:10 am

I had the 10th pick and erroneously hoped Rollins might fall to me there in the second. Boy was I ever wrong!

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:14 am

John, I had Rollins as the second best SS and after "reaching" and taking Utley with the 6th pick, I "lucked" into Rollins with the 25th pick.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:18 am

Originally posted by fireballs:

John, I had Rollins as the second best SS and after "reaching" and taking Utley with the 6th pick, I "lucked" into Rollins with the 25th pick. Lucky dog!

randallo · Post by **randallo** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:29 am

Fireballs that is an animalish Middle...esp. when you compare to some of the others...the best I have seen no doubt! Utley was no reach!!

RE: Zambrano...he has thrown a ton of innings the last fews years but is still only 25 years old and a total horse. I went to the WBC in Puerto Rico last year and met him (well shook hands w/ him) and he was a monster. I could not get over how wide he was and how big his legs are. Anyway, if he breaks down I am screwed...if not I think the Cubs win their share this year and he can be dominant. I think our staff has a chance to be really good if the old guys bounce back. If Hudson has any pride he should have a decent year and I am a big Pettitte fan...that leaves 2 huge question marks...Contreras and Pavano...but I think they have some upside esp where I got them (Contreras 18th Pavano last pick of the main draft).

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:32 am

Originally posted by fireballs:

John, I had Rollins as the second best SS and after "reaching" and taking Utley with the 6th pick, I "lucked" into Rollins with the 25th pick. That's nice... he's scored 361 runs the past 3 years. I'll take a few les HR if he can get .290 and steal 40 again.

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:33 am

Could not agree more. I guess we are both big Jimmy Rollins fans starting in 12 days! :--))

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:35 am

geez- i took rollins at pick 12 and thought i had some guts. 6- now that i admire. glad i did because i have 2 satelites and after this thread- doubt he falls to me in round 2. taking him 1st once is enough for me. utley- rollins. nice combo. and before anyone talks about same team risk- yes- but last year going utely rollins howard at , say pick 15, would have worked out quite well.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:39 am

or konerko, thome, dye- while i am on a roll.

randallo · Post by **randallo** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:42 am

I obv. am a big Rollins fan too and hopefully he backs up his spring training chatter...50 sbs and 150 runs (lol).

Re: my outfield plus Nomar...so only Hunter is going to get 500 ab's? That would suck!! I hope they all stay healthy...but know I drafted a couple of 'fragile freds' That being said if JD Drew stays healthy he could be a monster (and that is coming from a Yankee fan!). I am not a Nomar guy but in 15-16 turn I thought he was a value pick??

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:01 am

Originally posted by randallo:

For the record, here is my team. Shred it as you see fit.

C - R.Hernandez, M.Olivo

1B - Nomar G

2B - Iguchi

SS - Rollins

3B - Ensberg

MI - Tejada

CI - Jacobs

OF - Hunter, Patterson, JD Drew, J Jones, Alou

U - Nady (D.Johnson, Hamilton)

P - Carpenter, Zambano, Pettitte, Contreras, Hudson, Pavano (Francis)

RP - Jenks, F.Cordero, Orvella (Alfonseca, Reitsma).

Like to hear what anyone thinks. and I have thick skin so feel free to tell me if you think it stinks! Randalla,

I salute you for picking a strategy and going for it. It wasn't what I would have done, but that is the fun of all this. In my mind, the real issue for this type of strategy is going the risky nature of your offense. Depending on people like Nomar (injury), Alou (age), Drew (injury), Jacobs (job), etc.. makes an offense very risky. At some point the gambles tend to fail- but perhaps they won't this time. Anyway, having said all this, I understand having a strategy, but I was very shocked that you let people like Grady Sizemore and Hafner pass you by. At the end of the day, the total hr, rbis, etc.. is what wins...

My personal experience of the last couple of years has moved me in the NFBC to take a more risk adverse approach - make sure Offense is in place. Get a few good starters and atleast one stud closer and adjust as the season does. I have personally suffered from too many risks, but perhaps your approach will play out. My other experience has been that Catchers are by far the easiest to find (besides Starting Pitching) on the waiver wire. For example, I got more HRs from David Ross than many did from 2 catchers.

Good luck to all and have fun

Spyhunter

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:06 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Biggest thing that I was a little shocked by was Matt Holliday being a consensus first round pick.

I think he is but I thought I was in a small minority on that.

Biggest single thing I saw that made me scatch my cleanly shaven head, Hanley Ramirez at pick 13- but I only saw 3 draft boards. hanley #13 seems about right...the guy had a better 2nd half then Reyes with less of an injury history...if Reyes gets hurt again ( a good possibilty) then owners would be wishing they had Ramirez...

i predict H Ramirez will be the clear #1 ss next year and maybe a #1 pick overall!

remeber, reyes wasnt not that good his first 2 years, but Hanley won ROY, so his upside is greater!

as far as rollins being ahead of hanley, that has got to be a joke...Rollins is consistently mediocre, he in not spectacular in anything...