Contender or Pretender

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:15 pm

I'm bored so I figured I put up my two teams in the main event. Yes, I said two. I send someone to New York with a draft plan. Which team do think has a chance?

New York

Beltran

Sizemore

B. Hall

Helton

Sheets

Weeks

Putz

C. Patterson

Piazza

R. Hill

R. Martin

Blaylock

K. Escobar

M. Giles

M. Bradley

A. Sanchez

J. Maine

B. Wilkerson

O. Perez

J. Kubel

K. Wood

D. Johnson

J. Westbrook

J. Rivera

C. Orvella

M. Lindstrom

Me. Cabrara

J. Lane

J. Weaver

J. Cruz

Vegas

Wright

Sizemore

M. Young

B. Hall

Del. Young

C. Patterson

C. Hamels

B. Myers

A. Gonzalez

R. Martin

E. Gagne

J. Beckett

O. Dotel

M. Giles

B. Giles

J. Gomes

J. Maine

D. Ross

O. Perez

J. Lopez

C. Kothcman

J. Kubel

D. Johnson

J. Weaver

R. Soriano

A. Marte

K. Wells

JJ Hardy

C. Orvella

R. Ortiz

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Team Herron · Post by **Team Herron** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:33 pm

Neither - Ha. Shawn, knowing you they will finish 1-2

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:33 pm

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:34 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I'm bored so I figured I put up my two teams in the main event. Yes, I said two. I send someone to New York with a draft plan. Which team do think has a chance?

New York

Beltran

Sizemore

B. Hall

Helton

Sheets

Weeks

Putz

C. Patterson

Piazza

R. Hill

R. Martin

Blaylock

K. Escobar

M. Giles

M. Bradley

A. Sanchez

J. Maine

B. Wilkerson

O. Perez

J. Kubel

K. Wood

D. Johnson

J. Westbrook

J. Rivera

C. Orvella

M. Lindstrom

Me. Cabrara

J. Lane

J. Weaver

J. Cruz

Vegas

Wright

Sizemore

M. Young

B. Hall

Del. Young

C. Patterson

C. Hamals

B. Myers

A. Gonzalez

R. Martin

E. Gagne

J. Beckett

O. Dotel

M. Giles

B. Giles

J. Gomes

J. Maine

D. Ross

O. Perez

J. Lopez

C. Kothcman

J. Kubel

D. Johnson

J. Weaver

R. Soriano

A. Marte

K. Wells

JJ Hardy

C. Orvella

R. Ortiz 2 things....you spelled Cole Hamels wrong, and you picked Delmon Young WAAAAYYY tooo early...other then that it looks good!

like the lindstrom pick.....

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:38 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

I'm bored so I figured I put up my two teams in the main event. Yes, I said two. I send someone to New York with a draft plan. Which team do think has a chance?

New York

Beltran

Sizemore

B. Hall

Helton

Sheets

Weeks

Putz

C. Patterson

Piazza

R. Hill

R. Martin

Blaylock

K. Escobar

M. Giles

M. Bradley

A. Sanchez

J. Maine

B. Wilkerson

O. Perez

J. Kubel

K. Wood

D. Johnson

J. Westbrook

J. Rivera

C. Orvella

M. Lindstrom

Me. Cabrara

J. Lane

J. Weaver

J. Cruz

Vegas

Wright

Sizemore

M. Young

B. Hall

Del. Young

C. Patterson

C. Hamals

B. Myers

A. Gonzalez

R. Martin

E. Gagne

J. Beckett

O. Dotel

M. Giles

B. Giles

J. Gomes

J. Maine

D. Ross

O. Perez

J. Lopez

C. Kothcman

J. Kubel

D. Johnson

J. Weaver

R. Soriano

A. Marte

K. Wells

JJ Hardy

C. Orvella

R. Ortiz 2 well rounded teams.

NY: Great Speed. Little concern about .BA unless Helton rebounds to .320 plus. 1 closer but several guys who may become one. Pitching very high risk/ high reward (Putz elbow? Sheets injuries or CY young, Rich Hill unknown but high ceiling

Vegas: I prefer this team over NY. If your closers can stay healthy this team has a good chance to win its division. Main event? Tough to tell

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:39 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson. Really, I'll take his homers and he has more talent. Did he hit .250 last year?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:48 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson. Really, I'll take his homers and he has more talent. Did he hit .250 last year? [/QUOTE]Actually, platooning will help his batting average, and he did hit .276 last year (though .215 !!! in 2005). That said, the 9 hole/platoon thing is going to hurt his counting stats -- steals included.

We'll agree to disagree on Patterson. I hope he does well for you and proves me wrong.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:00 pm

Not so big on the NY team mainly because I would not touch Hall in the 3rd or Helton in the 4th.

That Vegas team however gets a check mark in every column and would be a team I would not want to compete in a league against.

Now you and KOQ both love Hall- I just do not trust him to perform like a top 50 player. We will all know soon enough.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:08 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Now you and KOQ both love Hall- I just do not trust him to perform like a top 50 player. We will all know soon enough. Bill Hall rocks -- 30 homers / 20 steals coming in 2007. Throw in the SS eligibility, and he's well worth the high draft pick.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:13 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Not so big on the NY team mainly because I would not touch Hall in the 3rd or Helton in the 4th.

That Vegas team however gets a check mark in every column and would be a team I would not want to compete in a league against.

Now you and KOQ both love Hall- I just do not trust him to perform like a top 50 player. We will all know soon enough. He will be drag on average, but he should help everywhere else. Maybe, he will even run a little more. I know the player picking 12th in the 3rd was bull$hit when Hall was picked. He could have taken Micheal Young, but he picked who I wanted in the 3rd and 4th. I took Helton because I had two players planned for rounds 5 and 6, but I didn't get either. I think Helton bounces back this year.

Kimo · Post by **Kimo** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:15 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson. Really, I'll take his homers and he has more talent. Did he hit .250 last year? [/QUOTE]Actually, platooning will help his batting average, and he did hit .276 last year (though .215 !!! in 2005). That said, the 9 hole/platoon thing is going to hurt his counting stats -- steals included.

We'll agree to disagree on Patterson. I hope he does well for you and proves me wrong. [/QUOTE]I'll take Patterson.

Patterson: AB 465, 45 SB, .301 AVE vs RHP.

AL EAST has 2 LHP, Pettitte & Kasmir.

Jay Payton SUCKS.

Tavars: AB 530, SB 33, HR 1, RBI 30.

Watch out for Steve Finley, Finley will steal PT away from Tavars.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:16 pm

Knowing you I'm sure you have a Hanley or Papelbon up your sleeve somewhere..

Q

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:25 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Knowing you I'm sure you have a Hanley or Papelbon up your sleeve somewhere..

Q They go by the name Chad and Jason!!

ALL-IN JD · Post by **ALL-IN JD** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:43 pm

Actually, Patterson hitting ninth on the O's isnt all that terrible. After the first time through the order he'll be hitting in front of a very good hitter and will have lots of steal opps. I think 15-20 dingers and 40-45 for Patterson is more than attainable

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:09 pm

Originally posted by Kimo:

AL EAST has 2 LHP, Pettitte & Kasmir.How about Igawa, Chacin and Fossum?

Including Pettitte and Kazmir, that's 5 out of 20 in the AL East -- higher than the league average percentage.

Assuming he stays healthy, I figure Patterson to get around 400 ABs.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:29 am

Shawn,

My model produces the following for your New York team (batting on top):

15 - 12.5 - 11.3 - 11.1 - 7.4 = 57

6 - 3.7 - 10.3 - 10.6 - 9.8 = 40

This is without any of your toys on the bench playng or developing (ie closers). I can't imagine Wins really ending up being a problem for you, but the AVG is going to be tough to fix (.275).

Vegas team:

15 - 11.5 - 13.8 - 10.9 - 11.6 = 63

4.4 - 4.7 - 9.7 - 5.5 - 5.9 = 30

(w/Soriano (3rd RP)on bench & K.Wells starting). Like I said previously, great Offensive balance.

[ March 24, 2007, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:17 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson. A and b but not c. If he platoons he hit 300 against only right handers and well below the Medoza line against leftys. Take out the leftys and you get 300 without losing the counting numbers since he didn't get any against the leftys anyway.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:53 am

Originally posted by Vander:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Teams are decent, but what's up with the love for Corey Patterson? Last time I looked into my Magic 8-Ball, he was going to:

(a) hit 9th

(b) platoon

(c) hit .250

The stolen base potential is nice, but I'd rather have Willy Taveras (despite the lack of power) in the round you took Patterson. A and b but not c. If he platoons he hit 300 against only right handers and well below the Medoza line against leftys. Take out the leftys and you get 300 without losing the counting numbers since he didn't get any against the leftys anyway. [/QUOTE]Patterson did hit .289 against lefties in 03 and 04. It's not like he is dead in the water. 05 was a disaster for him. Last year he showed improvement with strikeouts against righties. I little more growth across the board and he might be in for a nice year.

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Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:30 am

Well since I have him in 2 leagues, although not the main, I hope your right. I don't think as most do that he will hit for a low ba. 2005 was the aberation. He was completly confused by too much advice and very poor hitting instruction from the Cubs coaching staff, if you want to call them that.