Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
A smaller bench would help a bit.
The waiver wire is stripped clean in most leagues.
I actually love large bench size to hoard talent...but in 15 team leagues...it may be better served with a 5 man bench.
The injury bug bites us all over the 162 game season, though.
Better luck to you!
~Lance Greg doesn't want a DL and doesn't think this is a problem. I disagree. We have discussed this and he's decided, so you just have to make the best of it by drafting bench players that play. That's why I signed Grudz for $55 last week after Cantu was sent down and all I have is Polanco at 2B. Spent $131 for Melky for the same reason at OF. [/QUOTE]Steve is complaining that rosters are too big for his tastes and that there's not enough quality free agent help to bail him out and now you're suggesting again that we should have a DL list to expand the number of players who could be taken out of the free agent pool. Again, it's a contradiction of tastes. With 30-man rosters, we have 450 players on NFBC rosters. With DL lists, we'd have an additional 30+ players on NFBC rosters and out of the free agent pool. I'm not for that.
The juggling of your reserve roster is a key part of the NFBC. Teams that stream in two-start pitchers use the reserve roster to their advantage. Teams that hold four DL guys on reserve waiting for their return may have no choice; or do they? Those are tough calls and all part of roster management in the NFBC.
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I didn't make any suggestion. It's already been suggested, discussed and ruled on. 
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Seven Players on the bench is good size:
You may have to make tough calls on who to drop, but often you can pick them up again.
You should draft expecting injuries. I take two players at each position. Sixteen everyday offensive players, with six OF. When a player goes down you have someone to cover. For pitching I aim for four (or more) every week SP and two Closers. With the plan to roster two other "chance" closers and a couple rotating SP - 10/11 pitchers. That gives me three or four Prospect/injury bets to sit until they are playing. Also NFBC allows a minor league player drafted and dropped to stay in your FA pool.
I (like Sranaghan) like injury prone players that can produce when they are playing, but make bench management interesting.
You still have to make cuts when the injury bug hits hard but you can survive alot of injuries. For example I lost Dan Johnson and did have to drop him because I had two 3B and thus still had CI covered. Cantu got sent down so I was able to use my backup 2B and not have to Drop Cantu (Trade to COL - PLEASE). I did drop Johnson, but the point is that by design my team could take a 1/4 loss at any IF combination and not have to drop.
I am starting Milton Bradley this week as my current offensvie bench (Cantu, Rivera, & Gomez) have 10 AB's season to date. If Games is down then I will need to swap someone out. There IMO is a lot of solid OF available, but I don't see anyone available I like better then my non-playing bench to sit on the bench. When I am getting goose eggs in the U spot it is a different story.
Pretty much you can roster a team with seven injuried or non-productive players before you field a short team. Along with the three hitter listed above I have two AAA SP and two prospective Closers (admittedly unlikely) sitting on the bench waiting to be the next FAAB darling.
There are stats out there for low FAAB. I have three wins from three non-drafted pitchers in three periods. $12 Juan Cruz (Cut after one week), $11 Maroth (Third choice - lost top two, my likely next cut), $4 Gaudin (fourth choice two weeks ago)and no one else bid on any of them. Last week I got my third (or fourth) choice prospective closer for $4. Warm bodies.
The waiver wire is stripped clean in most leagues
Ranked player #179 is not drafted in any NFBC league - .346 7 2 4 0 nor is ranked player #180 with 2 wins 2.08 ERA, 1.15 Whip and 6 k's.
Not that I want either, but based on YTD stats they are better then half my team, including my top SP (Sheets)
My prospective may be off as my home league has 18 teams that can roster 36 players (18 pitcher MAX) where I have 6 DL players and 3 minor leaguers. There I am lobbing to lower the roster size.
You may have to make tough calls on who to drop, but often you can pick them up again.
You should draft expecting injuries. I take two players at each position. Sixteen everyday offensive players, with six OF. When a player goes down you have someone to cover. For pitching I aim for four (or more) every week SP and two Closers. With the plan to roster two other "chance" closers and a couple rotating SP - 10/11 pitchers. That gives me three or four Prospect/injury bets to sit until they are playing. Also NFBC allows a minor league player drafted and dropped to stay in your FA pool.
I (like Sranaghan) like injury prone players that can produce when they are playing, but make bench management interesting.
You still have to make cuts when the injury bug hits hard but you can survive alot of injuries. For example I lost Dan Johnson and did have to drop him because I had two 3B and thus still had CI covered. Cantu got sent down so I was able to use my backup 2B and not have to Drop Cantu (Trade to COL - PLEASE). I did drop Johnson, but the point is that by design my team could take a 1/4 loss at any IF combination and not have to drop.
I am starting Milton Bradley this week as my current offensvie bench (Cantu, Rivera, & Gomez) have 10 AB's season to date. If Games is down then I will need to swap someone out. There IMO is a lot of solid OF available, but I don't see anyone available I like better then my non-playing bench to sit on the bench. When I am getting goose eggs in the U spot it is a different story.
Pretty much you can roster a team with seven injuried or non-productive players before you field a short team. Along with the three hitter listed above I have two AAA SP and two prospective Closers (admittedly unlikely) sitting on the bench waiting to be the next FAAB darling.
There are stats out there for low FAAB. I have three wins from three non-drafted pitchers in three periods. $12 Juan Cruz (Cut after one week), $11 Maroth (Third choice - lost top two, my likely next cut), $4 Gaudin (fourth choice two weeks ago)and no one else bid on any of them. Last week I got my third (or fourth) choice prospective closer for $4. Warm bodies.
The waiver wire is stripped clean in most leagues
Ranked player #179 is not drafted in any NFBC league - .346 7 2 4 0 nor is ranked player #180 with 2 wins 2.08 ERA, 1.15 Whip and 6 k's.
Not that I want either, but based on YTD stats they are better then half my team, including my top SP (Sheets)
My prospective may be off as my home league has 18 teams that can roster 36 players (18 pitcher MAX) where I have 6 DL players and 3 minor leaguers. There I am lobbing to lower the roster size.
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good god...arod with another walkoff...grand slam...good lord he is out of his mind...
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He can hit all the homers he wants now cause when post-season time starts he'll choke!
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Originally posted by sranaghan:
good god...arod with another walkoff...grand slam...good lord he is out of his mind... I think my badmouthing him in the "Content Panel" thread...followed by 2 side bets against him sealed my doom and his career rebirth filled with hugs and high fives...ouch.
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good god...arod with another walkoff...grand slam...good lord he is out of his mind... I think my badmouthing him in the "Content Panel" thread...followed by 2 side bets against him sealed my doom and his career rebirth filled with hugs and high fives...ouch.
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The rosters in the NFBC are perfect. They actually don't even lead us close to the 75% factor that is discussed in this year's baseball forecaster. Our lineups resemble real teams (that don't play in Washington) and our bench is enough to keep a couple hitters in case of injury, a couple starters to look for matchups and a couple potential closers or minor leaguers. The rosters are also much more shallow than traditional AL or NL only leagues, and when I was deciding to join the NFBC my biggest concern was if the rosters were too shallow. I wouldn't change a thing on the rosters. My leagues still have a few guys with 40+ at-bats, several starting pitchers and last week offered great saves gamble like Fraser, Owens and Soria.
All I learned from reading 3 pages of posts is that injuries to your best players seriously hurt your chances of winning your league. Not much new there, although some of the injuries will even out as the year progresses. At least I sure hope so......I'm a Blue Jays fan!
All I learned from reading 3 pages of posts is that injuries to your best players seriously hurt your chances of winning your league. Not much new there, although some of the injuries will even out as the year progresses. At least I sure hope so......I'm a Blue Jays fan!
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Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
A smaller bench would help a bit.
The waiver wire is stripped clean in most leagues.
I actually love large bench size to hoard talent...but in 15 team leagues...it may be better served with a 5 man bench.
The injury bug bites us all over the 162 game season, though.
Better luck to you!
~Lance How is it "stripped" when 10-20 FA's are signed very week in every league?
The bench has room for one ML player and no more.
Fill your bench with players that do not play and you are going to have major problems.
Garza, Milledge, Pedro, Josh Johnson are going to kill you if you have one injury. You drafted or signed all these guys knowing they were not going to play for awhile. You picked up Josh Johnson last week and you could have had Guadin, Lohse or Silva for the same $3. You could have had all of them for $3.
You have Piniero is your lineup and not one SP you can rotate for double starts.
Sorry, but the wire is not stripped at all.
[/QUOTE]So...John...
Wouldn't you say I am in fact "helping" to strengthen the waiver wire by having DL'd players on my bench?
How is that logic playing out in your argument?
PS...I'm not looking for a pitcher.
The wire is stripped, and the only ones that pop up are due to what happens during the week...injuries/call ups.
If there is a week where a closer doesn't lose his job...and players stay off the DL...it is ultra-slim pickings and you know it.
~Lance
[ April 20, 2007, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
A smaller bench would help a bit.
The waiver wire is stripped clean in most leagues.
I actually love large bench size to hoard talent...but in 15 team leagues...it may be better served with a 5 man bench.
The injury bug bites us all over the 162 game season, though.
Better luck to you!
~Lance How is it "stripped" when 10-20 FA's are signed very week in every league?
The bench has room for one ML player and no more.
Fill your bench with players that do not play and you are going to have major problems.
Garza, Milledge, Pedro, Josh Johnson are going to kill you if you have one injury. You drafted or signed all these guys knowing they were not going to play for awhile. You picked up Josh Johnson last week and you could have had Guadin, Lohse or Silva for the same $3. You could have had all of them for $3.
You have Piniero is your lineup and not one SP you can rotate for double starts.
Sorry, but the wire is not stripped at all.
[/QUOTE]So...John...
Wouldn't you say I am in fact "helping" to strengthen the waiver wire by having DL'd players on my bench?
How is that logic playing out in your argument?
PS...I'm not looking for a pitcher.
The wire is stripped, and the only ones that pop up are due to what happens during the week...injuries/call ups.
If there is a week where a closer doesn't lose his job...and players stay off the DL...it is ultra-slim pickings and you know it.
~Lance
[ April 20, 2007, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
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I vote for keeping just the way it is. I have 5 DL players now, plus a 6 and 7th in AAA, but I can manage with the current board. Sure I had to drop my prospects but that is the way it goes.
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Originally posted by sranaghan:
good god...arod with another walkoff...grand slam...good lord he is out of his mind... Who doesn't want to be loved and adored right ? All the $ in the world and we schmoes probably had a better feeling of happiness in our lives than that guy. That's now 2 walk off hr's with 2 outs in 2 weeks - at the Stadium nonetheless. I'm genuinely happy for him.
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good god...arod with another walkoff...grand slam...good lord he is out of his mind... Who doesn't want to be loved and adored right ? All the $ in the world and we schmoes probably had a better feeling of happiness in our lives than that guy. That's now 2 walk off hr's with 2 outs in 2 weeks - at the Stadium nonetheless. I'm genuinely happy for him.
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There's no crying in baseball.
Steve, I agree with other folks who say it ain't over for ya yet, and believe me, I understand your pain.
Last year I had 8 people on DL at the same time in the auction league, and all 8 were worth keeping. First Lee and Gagne both went down...Lee in the 1st week, and Gagne after the draft but before the season began. In Gagne's case, I knew of course that he was an injury risk from the year before, but he kept saying he was fine, and he was pitching in spring training, and ended up messing himself up lol.
I held on to Gagne, he came back in June and then disappeared for the rest of the year. I dumped Lee. And still, later on I had 8 folks on DL at the same time, and was just stuck waiting for some to come back.
Through it all, I didn't cry.
So while I feel for you, I've been there and done that, and I'm here again for whatever happens.
And it ain't the format's fault.
John
[ April 19, 2007, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: SluggoJD ]
Steve, I agree with other folks who say it ain't over for ya yet, and believe me, I understand your pain.
Last year I had 8 people on DL at the same time in the auction league, and all 8 were worth keeping. First Lee and Gagne both went down...Lee in the 1st week, and Gagne after the draft but before the season began. In Gagne's case, I knew of course that he was an injury risk from the year before, but he kept saying he was fine, and he was pitching in spring training, and ended up messing himself up lol.
I held on to Gagne, he came back in June and then disappeared for the rest of the year. I dumped Lee. And still, later on I had 8 folks on DL at the same time, and was just stuck waiting for some to come back.
Through it all, I didn't cry.
So while I feel for you, I've been there and done that, and I'm here again for whatever happens.
And it ain't the format's fault.
John
[ April 19, 2007, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: SluggoJD ]
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Ijuries are part of the game , thats why i try to stay away from injury risk guys and older players.Ive been hit hard in the Ultimate , i have BJ Ryan and Dotel. Ryan has been a rock and thought came with very little risk , Dotel comes with some risk , two years removed from tommy john surgery. I also payed for DE AZA who just went on the DL. I was lucky enough to draft Wheeler and picked up Soria for 111 which i saw him go a lot higher in other leagues.
You just keep fighting and plugging holes, and if your good , you just want a chance to win your league.
You just keep fighting and plugging holes, and if your good , you just want a chance to win your league.
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The injuries are very frustrating and I have had more than my share. The most difficult "injuries" that I'm dealing with though are my team's anemia (dangerously low homerun and rbi counts), swollen WHIP, bloated ERA, strained batting average, and saves deficiency.
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Totally agree with you I took Ryan in 5th thought he had little risk Lost on bid for Frasor but got Soria In NY7 I have 69 points in hitting and a whopping 15 in pitching Now Felix is out for hopefully 2-3 starts It cracks me up each week who I start and bench as far as pitching Ex This week Zito got lucky Westbrook 2 starts Kazmir 100 pitches in 4 inning after great outing at Minn Hirsh Col good outing plus 2 starts A Reyes 2 starts if he could just get through 1st inning On bench Tejada gem at Chic Gaudin gem vs Angels and of course Lowry last night against Cards Once I start to get a better feel for my staff The numbers ERA WHIP and Wins should even out Feel hitting is much tougher to make a dent in but again its a marathon not a sprint By the way we are only in week #3 LOL
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Totally agree with you I took Ryan in 5th thought he had little risk Lost on bid for Frasor but got Soria In NY7 I have 69 points in hitting and a whopping 15 in pitching Now Felix is out for hopefully 2-3 starts It cracks me up each week who I start and bench as far as pitching Ex This week Zito got lucky Westbrook 2 starts Kazmir 100 pitches in 4 inning after great outing at Minn Hirsh Col good outing plus 2 starts A Reyes 2 starts if he could just get through 1st inning On bench Tejada gem at Chic Gaudin gem vs Angels and of course Lowry last night against Cards Once I start to get a better feel for my staff The numbers ERA WHIP and Wins should even out Feel hitting is much tougher to make a dent in but again its a marathon not a sprint By the way we are only in week #3 LOL
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Last year I had no idea that when Shinji Mori went down after the draft with what was called a mild elbow strain that an ill wind was blowing in our direction. He was a minor flyer of course but then Baldelli's mild spring training hamstring strain turned into a lost half season. Then there was Nomar, who went on the DL the day before the season started. Two weeks later Chipper sprained a knee and joined Nomar. Finally at the beginning of May they returned in time to wave goodbye to Derek Lee who was essentially lost for the entire season, by 1st round standards. Up till then our pitching was holding us up, but before May had ended we lost Harden, John Patterson, and Mark Mulder (who for those who might remember actually had a very good April) for the season. Then unsteady Eddie Guardado lost his closers role before eventually ending up on the scrap heap himself. We foundered for most of the season as you may have guessed but then a funny thing happened. We used our FAAB bucks wisely, recreated our pitching staff and by the 1st week in September we had left our nicely furnished 10th floor condo and found ourselves a half point out of second in LV3 with an outside chance of winning. We ultimately got knocked out of 3rd on the next to the last day of the season by my good buddy 'Bob Enzyte'. We're we disaappointed? Hell no, all things considered we had a great run and even if some day we ultimately take the brass ring I will remember 06 as one of our finest hours.
The NFBC format is no different than countless others, except to say that I personaly find it quite stimulating and challenging. You just have to battle against the seasons 'slings and arrows', stay focused, and work within the format we have collectively accepted. (Of course, screaming at the television set once in awhile, is a pleasure you shouldn't deny yourself.) April is not a month to shout or pout. Today we find ourselves 1st in the overall pitching categories with more points in pitching than 166 team's combined hitting and pitching totals. On the hand, we are also 371st in hitting. I suppose you could say that this is a case of achieving mediocrity the hard way. Truth is our pitching isn't this good, nor is our hitting this bad. How it will shake out is anybody's guess. I'll get back to you in October! Hang in there.
The NFBC format is no different than countless others, except to say that I personaly find it quite stimulating and challenging. You just have to battle against the seasons 'slings and arrows', stay focused, and work within the format we have collectively accepted. (Of course, screaming at the television set once in awhile, is a pleasure you shouldn't deny yourself.) April is not a month to shout or pout. Today we find ourselves 1st in the overall pitching categories with more points in pitching than 166 team's combined hitting and pitching totals. On the hand, we are also 371st in hitting. I suppose you could say that this is a case of achieving mediocrity the hard way. Truth is our pitching isn't this good, nor is our hitting this bad. How it will shake out is anybody's guess. I'll get back to you in October! Hang in there.
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Originally posted by sranaghan:
Greg I understand some of your points but I think there is too many players....I guess it may help the people that research stuff to death but even when you research its a crapshoot...I just find that in this format its like roulette where other formats you can control your own destiny a little better and you could show your true knowledge of the game a little better....knowing to pick freddie bynum or felix pie is not my idea of knowledge...I could be wrong but luck seems to play in to this league a ton more than in other formats...I thought the opposite was true but again its probably just frustration... I suggest you go play yahoo if you want such a format and a minimal level of research required. Your opinions are so far deep in the minority, its ridiculous. This format, this organization, is successful because of several reasons and one being the format. The format you propose would bring luck into this competition far more as it would be more difficult to seperate the good from the bad. I lost 8 of my top 9 pitchers in 2005 (my first year) to injuries. What I learned was 2 things: 1) I should do better research, and 2) bad luck is part of the game. Suck it up!
[ April 21, 2007, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]
Greg I understand some of your points but I think there is too many players....I guess it may help the people that research stuff to death but even when you research its a crapshoot...I just find that in this format its like roulette where other formats you can control your own destiny a little better and you could show your true knowledge of the game a little better....knowing to pick freddie bynum or felix pie is not my idea of knowledge...I could be wrong but luck seems to play in to this league a ton more than in other formats...I thought the opposite was true but again its probably just frustration... I suggest you go play yahoo if you want such a format and a minimal level of research required. Your opinions are so far deep in the minority, its ridiculous. This format, this organization, is successful because of several reasons and one being the format. The format you propose would bring luck into this competition far more as it would be more difficult to seperate the good from the bad. I lost 8 of my top 9 pitchers in 2005 (my first year) to injuries. What I learned was 2 things: 1) I should do better research, and 2) bad luck is part of the game. Suck it up!
[ April 21, 2007, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]
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umm yeah...ny whatever that gay name is...kind of was looking for that kind of input....I was making comments about things I have thought in the past couple of years...who gives a **** what happened to your gay team in 2005....
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Steve,
As an aside, are you a former Sachem?
As an aside, are you a former Sachem?
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Originally posted by sranaghan:
umm yeah...ny whatever that gay name is...kind of was looking for that kind of input....I was making comments about things I have thought in the past couple of years...who gives a **** what happened to your gay team in 2005.... Dude, that is right up there with one of the most inappropriate posts ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Greg Bans you from the Boards for this kind of crap.
Grow up
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umm yeah...ny whatever that gay name is...kind of was looking for that kind of input....I was making comments about things I have thought in the past couple of years...who gives a **** what happened to your gay team in 2005.... Dude, that is right up there with one of the most inappropriate posts ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Greg Bans you from the Boards for this kind of crap.
Grow up
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Hey Joe...nope...not a Sachem..a Spy Ponder...
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and dude, hunter....I dont care what you think...I posted some opinions and some guy comes on here telling me what I should expect based on this or that...I kind of didnt ask for his opinion....so you grow up and concern yourself with stuff that has something to do with you....dont get into trying to get your 2 cents in..you look kind of foolish....
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dude, every post you make makes you look more immature. We all get frustrated, trust me, I have been having a meltdown with 3 of my top 8 picks out and 6 of my top 23 out. I could care less about you fighting someone, what I do care about is totally in appropriate language
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Originally posted by sranaghan:
and dude, hunter....I dont care what you think...I posted some opinions and some guy comes on here telling me what I should expect based on this or that...I kind of didnt ask for his opinion....so you grow up and concern yourself with stuff that has something to do with you....dont get into trying to get your 2 cents in..you look kind of foolish.... You offer your opinions on a message board, then get pissy when people respond with opinions of their own. Brilliant!
and dude, hunter....I dont care what you think...I posted some opinions and some guy comes on here telling me what I should expect based on this or that...I kind of didnt ask for his opinion....so you grow up and concern yourself with stuff that has something to do with you....dont get into trying to get your 2 cents in..you look kind of foolish.... You offer your opinions on a message board, then get pissy when people respond with opinions of their own. Brilliant!
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