Twice-a-week moves?

[poopy tooth]

Once a week is best IMO...



That's really the bottom line. Because Stone Cold says so.

[eddiejag]

Im in 10 leagues and agree with Gekko, i like the twice a week moves.I dont think it takes as much time as everyone say's. Having Thome and getting zero's for fri , sat and sun suck.

Same with Badelli , Swisher and many others.

Lets see , that would have taken me about 5 minutes.

[sportsbettingman]

"A Tale of Two Starts"



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[Walla Walla]

I've always hated the DL friday rule. I'd rather have the two week move for everyone. It would make a more level playing ground. Either that or go back to once a week with no DL rule.

[Dirt Dogs]

Friday nite is for drinking and chasing skirts. Sunday nite is for recovery, Sunday Night Baseball, and free agent moves.



also Friday nite would be tough cause some people are blocked at their work and 7:00 deadline might be tough getting home from work etc....

[Greg Ambrosius]

GG, if you had taken the time to come to New York this weekend and joined me for beers after the NFL Draft you could have personally tried to influence me on this topic. King Of Queens did the dirty work, bought me some beers at ESPN Sports Zone and lobbied me to his side!! His argument wins, thanks to a half dozen Corona's!!



While this is a good topic of discussion, I think I've made my point known that I do not want to take the NFBC down the path of daily transactions. Twice-a-week roster moves is a step in that direction. Injuries are part of baseball and part of fantasy baseball and thus guys who are day-to-day are part of our statistical totals and even pre-season statistical analysis. Guys like Baldelli who miss weekend series go lower on Draft Day because most people KNEW they'd miss stretches of games this season. It's part of the draft process.



The Friday DL Rule allows owners to replace players who will be out for at least two weeks mid-week if they happen to suddenly be placed on the DL early in the week. It's not the cure-all to injuries, just the helping hand for fantasy owners who could easily replace those players with someone from their reserve roster.



GG says that twice-a-week moves aren't time consuming and Sack and Eddie and others agree. But I need to make decisions based on the good of the contest and the needs of the vast majority of my players. And there is no question in my mind that my customers would do fewer NFBC leagues and enjoy the experience less with more in-season roster management. Trust me, twice-a-week roster moves DO take a lot of extra time and I've heard from several owners who don't want to spend that time 26 weeks a year managing their rosters. In fact, one of our top players right now in the NFBC who has been with us since 2004 almost didn't join this year because the time it takes to do FAAB properly for multiple teams can be overwhelming.



I know everyone in the NFBC is a serious player, but I also know that many of our players have serious time commitments during the season and this proposal would strain the number of leagues each owner could participate in and honestly could strain the growth of the overall contest. Sometimes more isn't better.



Do I regret adding the Friday DL Rule? Absolutely not. Taken in its context, the rule makes sense and it takes absolutely no more time to look for a red DL designation on one of your players than it does to look up your team standings each day. That's simple and it helps the contest and our players. But stretching that rule even a little takes us into a different area, even if it sounds like a very small step beyond what we have.



I know my position on this topic, but continue the debate as I always enjoy both sides of any issue.

[KJ Duke]

Greg, I agree with your reasoning in full. Like the DL rule, don't like the 2x/week change. The only improvement I would like to see to lineup changes would be allowing DL moves at any time during the week.



Most NFBC players are aware (or I would argue should be) when one of their players gets hurt; I'd like to see the ability to activate that player the day after he officially goes on the DL, whether that is Tuesday, or Friday or Sunday. I understand the time constraint issue, but knowing when your player hits the DL and checking in on that team the next day shouldn't tax anyone.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

there is no question in my mind that my customers would do fewer NFBC leagues and enjoy the experience less with more in-season roster management. Trust me, twice-a-week roster moves DO take a lot of extra time and I've heard from several owners who don't want to spend that time 26 weeks a year managing their rosters. twice-a-week roster moves (for hitters only) would make the event a better experience for me (and it sounds like sack, eddie g, doughboys, etc...).



like i said, people spend HUNDREDS of hours in the preseason doing their projections, rankings, research, mocks, etc..., but when it comes time to the regular season, they claim they don't have an xtra 15-30 minutes to research and switch out hitters on friday. i call BS.



apparently it's better business for the nfbc to let owners take zeros for players that ARE hurt but don't go on the DL by thursday at midnight.



btw, thanks for the zeros last week thome...at least some nfbc owners had an xtra 15-30 minutes in their day to watch Seinfeld. :rolleyes:

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

there is no question in my mind that my customers would do fewer NFBC leagues and enjoy the experience less with more in-season roster management. Trust me, twice-a-week roster moves DO take a lot of extra time and I've heard from several owners who don't want to spend that time 26 weeks a year managing their rosters. twice-a-week roster moves (for hitters only) would make the event a better experience for me (and it sounds like sack, eddie g, doughboys, etc...).



like i said, people spend HUNDREDS of hours in the preseason doing their projections, rankings, research, mocks, etc..., but when it comes time to the regular season, they claim they don't have an xtra 15-30 minutes to research and switch out hitters on friday. i call BS.



apparently it's better business for the nfbc to let owners take zeros for players that ARE hurt but don't go on the DL by thursday at midnight.



btw, thanks for the zeros last week thome...at least some nfbc owners had an xtra 15-30 minutes in their day to watch Seinfeld. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]GG, I trust that twice-a-week roster moves would make the experience better for you and several other folks. We can create satellite leagues like that. But for the main event, I don't believe the majority of my customers want that. They DO enjoy spending hundreds of hours preparing for the drafts and then watching that work come to fruition.



Is it better business for us? Ah, I don't follow. The rules are the same for everyone so the zeros can accumulate for any NFBC owner at any time. As for Thome, he got hurt in FRIDAY'S game. Even under your scenario, you couldn't have taken him out of last week's lineup. And as for Baldelli that SACK was talking about, he pinch-hit on Sunday and hit a homer. So he was sidelined for much of the week, but he was on the D-Rays' 25-man roster and available to play each day, which he did on Sunday and contributed. It's all part of baseball.



I understand the desire to have 23 active players in your NFBC lineup each and every day. I'm in nine leagues myself and cringed when I saw Thome leave his first at-bat on Friday, knowing I have him in three leagues. But injuries are part of the game and all NFBC owners are playing under the same rules, getting the same results if their guys get hurt while in your starting lineup. The path to preventing that from happening is daily transactions and I don't believe that's the path to future growth for the NFBC at this time.



Carry on.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

like i said, people spend HUNDREDS of hours in the preseason doing their projections, rankings, research, mocks, etc..., but when it comes time to the regular season, they claim they don't have an xtra 15-30 minutes to research and switch out hitters on friday. i call BS. Two responses:



(1) Even if it's only 15-30 minutes to switch out hitters (an understatement if you include the analysis leading up to Friday), that's 15-30 minutes PER LEAGUE. Poopy tooth would be in a world of hurt! Plus it's on a Friday, when most on the Left Coast are still working.



(2) If we all spent as much time in the regular season as we do in preseason, we'd probably end up like Michael Strahan. And no, I don't mean we'd be doing Subway ads.

[Quahogs]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

like i said, people spend HUNDREDS of hours in the preseason doing their projections, rankings, research, mocks, etc..., but when it comes time to the regular season, they claim they don't have an xtra 15-30 minutes to research and switch out hitters on friday. i call BS. Two responses:



(1) Even if it's only 15-30 minutes to switch out hitters (an understatement if you include the analysis leading up to Friday), that's 15-30 minutes PER LEAGUE. Poopy tooth would be in a world of hurt! Plus it's on a Friday, when most on the Left Coast are still working.



(2) If we all spent as much time in the regular season as we do in preseason, we'd probably end up like Michael Strahan. And no, I don't mean we'd be doing Subway ads. [/QUOTE]So your saying that if we move to twice weekly moves Id then have a great chance to break the office sack record ?? YES YES !! I change my mind. We have this guy here that looks a bit like Favre. The record is MINE NOW BABY !!



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[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

As for Thome, he got hurt in FRIDAY'S game. Even under your scenario, you couldn't have taken him out of last week's lineup. thome hasn't had an AB since April 23rd. he was hurt on MONDAY AFTER lineups were due. that's what i'm talking about, the white sox didn't place him on the DL because they thought a couple days off would have helped. obviously it didn't. frustration level with something like that for an NFBC owner is a 10 out of 10, esp when you can switch out an official DL guy on friday, but not a guy who is obviously hurt (but not on the DL).

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Two responses:



(1) Even if it's only 15-30 minutes to switch out hitters (an understatement if you include the analysis leading up to Friday), that's 15-30 minutes PER LEAGUE. Poopy tooth would be in a world of hurt! Plus it's on a Friday, when most on the Left Coast are still working.



(2) If we all spent as much time in the regular season as we do in preseason, we'd probably end up like Michael Strahan. And no, I don't mean we'd be doing Subway ads. time to watch seinfeld > time to switch out hitters on fridays. i get the picture.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

As for Thome, he got hurt in FRIDAY'S game. Even under your scenario, you couldn't have taken him out of last week's lineup. thome hasn't had an AB since April 23rd. he was hurt on MONDAY AFTER lineups were due. that's what i'm talking about, the white sox didn't place him on the DL because they thought a couple days off would have helped. obviously it didn't. frustration level with something like that for an NFBC owner is a 10 out of 10, esp when you can switch out an official DL guy on friday, but not a guy who is obviously hurt (but not on the DL). [/QUOTE]GG, you are wrong on Thome's situation last week. He didn't have an at-bat on Friday because he swung and missed during his first at-bat and reinjured his rib cage muscle. He was replaced DURING that at-bat. He was in the lineup and expected to play all weekend, but he got hurt again on Friday in a game that he started. It's a shame that he didn't accumulate stats last week after originally getting hurt on MONDAY, but he was day-to-day the whole time and got hurt on FRIDAY NIGHT to end his week.



That one was a tough break, but honestly that's part of the game and no injury rule should have helped in that case, especially when he was expected to play all weekend.



[ May 01, 2007, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

time to watch seinfeld > time to switch out hitters on fridays. i get the picture. The entire series is available on DVD -- no need for the syndicated airings.

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

If we all spent as much time in the regular season as we do in preseason, we'd probably end up like Michael Strahan. And no, I don't mean we'd be doing Subway ads. So your saying that if we move to twice weekly moves Id then have a great chance to break the office sack record ?? YES YES !! I change my mind. We have this guy here that looks a bit like Favre. The record is MINE NOW BABY !!



Q [/QUOTE]Q, don't hit the cashier in aisle four with a watermelon.

[sportsbettingman]

Does intense study of fantasy baseball roster maximization cause ones front teeth to grow apart?



~Lance

[Jackstraw]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:



Don't weigh in on daily moves. I am not pushing that and neither is anyone else. This is not the first step to that. Greg has already made it clear that daily moves is not in the nfbc"s future.

Sorry, I haven't read through the entire thread yet... So this may have already been addressed.



Greg posted in my "Option to Frustration" thread that he has already discussed daily moves with STATS and it is possible. We also have the ability to try and draft a group of 15 owners to have a daily transaction satellite league. I'm not trying to change the current rules just set up an option for those of us who want to have daily moves. So, please don't slam everyone who suggests daily moves. It is just a different type of game that some of us would prefer. Kind of like playing Omaha instead of Hold 'Em. If anyone is interested just send me a pm or shoot Greg an email to let him know that you're interested.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

time to watch seinfeld > time to switch out hitters on fridays. i get the picture. The entire series is available on DVD -- no need for the syndicated airings. [/QUOTE]It's always more exciting to watch knowing there is no chance to rewind

[bucks66]

For what it's worth, I would have no problem with 2x / week transactions. However, for the life of me, I don't understand why we have to wait until Friday for the DL moves. A person should be able to make a move anytime someone on his roster is placed on the DL. This game should be about skill rather than luck. If, as I've read many times on these boards, a league can be determined by one hit, one SB, etc., why wouldn't we want an owner to have the ability to make a switch when a player is placed on the DL. As it stands now, the game could be determined by luck (if your opponent suffers an injury at the wrong time)rather than adept managerial skills. As injuries are out of the hands of the managers, either no rule for DL should be in place or DL at any time should be in. As it stands now, it's like being punished but not too bad since you get a reprieve on Friday. Just my 2cents here. And since I'm not a main event player this year, my opinion probably doesn't matter as much but I would still be of the same opinion next year when I will be playing in the main event.

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by bucks66:

For what it's worth, I would have no problem with 2x / week transactions. However, for the life of me, I don't understand why we have to wait until Friday for the DL moves. A person should be able to make a move anytime someone on his roster is placed on the DL. This game should be about skill rather than luck. If, as I've read many times on these boards, a league can be determined by one hit, one SB, etc., why wouldn't we want an owner to have the ability to make a switch when a player is placed on the DL. As it stands now, the game could be determined by luck (if your opponent suffers an injury at the wrong time)rather than adept managerial skills. As injuries are out of the hands of the managers, either no rule for DL should be in place or DL at any time should be in. As it stands now, it's like being punished but not too bad since you get a reprieve on Friday. Just my 2cents here. And since I'm not a main event player this year, my opinion probably doesn't matter as much but I would still be of the same opinion next year when I will be playing in the main event. That's 2 votes for DL any day of the week moves.

[Gordon Gekko]

Originally posted by bucks66:

For what it's worth, I would have no problem with 2x / week transactions. However, for the life of me, I don't understand why we have to wait until Friday for the DL moves. A person should be able to make a move anytime someone on his roster is placed on the DL. This game should be about skill rather than luck. If, as I've read many times on these boards, a league can be determined by one hit, one SB, etc., why wouldn't we want an owner to have the ability to make a switch when a player is placed on the DL. As it stands now, the game could be determined by luck (if your opponent suffers an injury at the wrong time)rather than adept managerial skills. As injuries are out of the hands of the managers, either no rule for DL should be in place or DL at any time should be in. As it stands now, it's like being punished but not too bad since you get a reprieve on Friday. Just my 2cents here. And since I'm not a main event player this year, my opinion probably doesn't matter as much but I would still be of the same opinion next year when I will be playing in the main event. The answer I found is that nfbc owners don't have time to watch their teams. Maybe they're getting their nails done, or reading a comic mag? Hard to believe, isn't it?

[DOUGHBOYS]

Daily DL?

Members can check EVERYDAY for DL'ed players but can't make lineup changes twice a week?

Doesen't this take us closer to daily moves than a twice a week lineup?

[King of Queens]

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

The answer I found is that nfbc owners don't have time to watch their teams. Maybe they're getting their nails done, or reading a comic mag? Hard to believe, isn't it? This should be great news to you -- if true, you should be able to kick some serious NFBC ass.



Now excuse me while I catch up on Bradgelina and J Lo...

[KJ Duke]

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Daily DL?

Members can check EVERYDAY for DL'ed players but can't make lineup changes twice a week?

Doesen't this take us closer to daily moves than a twice a week lineup?

Of course not.



Being aware your player got hurt and replacing him the next day, which might happen a few times a year, isn't in the same ballpark as completely revamping game strategy by comtemplating bi-weekly matchups, streaming pitchers, etc.