Ryan Howard owners

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:22 am

Fyi - chad cordeo owners gets some zero stats this week. He was just put on the bereavement list.

[ May 08, 2007, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:34 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Fyi - chad cordeo owners gets some zero stats this week. He was just put on the bereavement list. He would fall under the twice weekly streaming pitchers argument. I thought it was just hitters you wanted to swap out ?

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:42 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Fyi - chad cordeo owners gets some zero stats this week. He was just put on the bereavement list. He would fall under the twice weekly streaming pitchers argument. I thought it was just hitters you wanted to swap out ?

Q [/QUOTE]cordero was an FYI. it coulda happened just as easily to a hitter.

randallo · Post by **randallo** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:51 am

I am just one man...but I do not have all the time in the world to manage this league, one other, a new baby, work life and the rest. I love fantasy baseball and regular baseball for that matter. I am a first timer in this league and like the way it is set-up and run. My other league is one set of moves a week and that is it. I like the DL move for friday. It adds some thought to how you manage your bench and team.

Adding more complexities definitely begins to tilt the playing field to the guys who have more time to spend on the site. Injuries are part of the game (I took Carpenter in the 3rd round!) and should impact the outcome. It is fine to talk about this stuff through this forum, but you can't change the rules halfway thru the season. If the league wants to make changes, lay them out b/f next year's draft so people know what they are getting into before the season starts.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:56 am

Originally posted by randallo:

I am just one man...but I do not have all the time in the world to manage this league, one other, a new baby, work life and the rest. I love fantasy baseball and regular baseball for that matter. I am a first timer in this league and like the way it is set-up and run. My other league is one set of moves a week and that is it. I like the DL move for friday. It adds some thought to how you manage your bench and team.

Adding more complexities definitely begins to tilt the playing field to the guys who have more time to spend on the site. Injuries are part of the game (I took Carpenter in the 3rd round!) and should impact the outcome. It is fine to talk about this stuff through this forum, but you can't change the rules halfway thru the season. If the league wants to make changes, lay them out b/f next year's draft so people know what they are getting into before the season starts. I wouldn't worry to much. Gekko's opinions are like a mosquito on an elephant's arse.

sranaghan · Post by **sranaghan** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:43 am

injuries are a joke in this thing...if your 1-3 rounders go down you have ZERO chance of winning I dont care what anyone says...there may be some instances but very few I am sure who have ended up in top 5 or 10 when one of their top 3 go down, never mind 2....I am sure howard will be gone 4 to 6 weeks or something.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:52 am

Originally posted by sranaghan:

injuries are a joke in this thing...if your 1-3 rounders go down you have ZERO chance of winning I dont care what anyone says...there may be some instances but very few I am sure who have ended up in top 5 or 10 when one of their top 3 go down, never mind 2....I am sure howard will be gone 4 to 6 weeks or something. Brilliant!...and to think that I thought you hadn't had a clue.

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Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:58 am

Originally posted by sranaghan:

injuries are a joke in this thing...if your 1-3 rounders go down you have ZERO chance of winning I dont care what anyone says...there may be some instances but very few I am sure who have ended up in top 5 or 10 when one of their top 3 go down, never mind 2....I am sure howard will be gone 4 to 6 weeks or something. ZERO CHANCE!!! HAHAHAHA

You're wrong!!! Someone won their league last year with Derek Lee.

bucks66 · Post by **bucks66** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:34 pm

I still haven't heard an argument against being able to move a DL player out when the player is placed on the DL. Heck, I have a job where on average I work 65 hours per week, have two young kids and a wife. Now I'm only in 5 satellites at $100 a pop but as sure as God made little green apples, I could find the time to make a roster move when I find out one of my players has hit the DL. I would imagine with having a minimum of $1250 invested, many wouldn't mind taking the 3 minutes it would take to make the move. Of course, that also involves management of the team in that you need to have a viable replacement already on the roster or then you'd have to wait for the waiver wire moves. I'm not advocating this move for this year but do think it should be considered for next year. Apparently, I'm in the minority on this issue but it sure does seem to bring luck more into the equation versus skill.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:04 pm

I totally agree with randallo. Also, I'd like to add that this is my first year in the NFBC and, although my team is struggling, I don't know any other website or league I could join that is as well run as this one (rules, competitiveness, the info we get on the messageboards from Greg and Tom, etc).

Impossible to keep everyone 100% happy, so there has to be a balance with the injured players debate. I love the Friday DL rule- at least it's something. And those who feel that can't keep up with their team daily or free agents,etc they don't feel like they have to micromanage their team daily. Balance.

I wish I was the one who started the NFBC. kudos to Greg. -Rich

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:25 am

Originally posted by sranaghan:

injuries are a joke in this thing...if your 1-3 rounders go down you have ZERO chance of winning I dont care what anyone says...there may be some instances but very few I am sure who have ended up in top 5 or 10 when one of their top 3 go down, never mind 2....I am sure howard will be gone 4 to 6 weeks or something. I was in a sat last year and drafted D. Lee #1. Also was foolish enough to draft Griffey and drop Bedard in June. Still finished 3rd in the league. Ahead of, yes ahead of Gillis's team. It's not easy to overcome adversity, but possible. It's a marathon as many have said before. Hang in there. Keep plugging away. and good things can happen. BTW I passed Gillis for 3rd on the last day of the season. It's how you finish that matters. Not where you are now.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:57 am

Vander which league did you pass me on the last day for 3rd, just curious.That must have cost me money, damm it.

BigHurt · Post by **BigHurt** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:42 am

This is my first year here. I have played yahoo, espn, cbs, mlb with success and was looking for a higher level of competition and money. Enter the NFBC. I was aware of the format when I signed up and have no major issues with it. I will play again next year if I can once again convince the wife that $1300 is not too much to spend on a fantasy baseball team. However, it is disheartening to hear that the reason so many people favor this format is because it minimizes the amount of time they have to spend on their teams.

If this is the case why have a DL rule at all? Why not just set your lineup for the week and be done. If there is going to be a DL rule, it should not affect teams differently. The way it stands teams are affected differently based on when a player is placed on the DL. The DL rule should allow substitution for a player the day after he goes on the DL. I know, I know, this will favor the owners who check their teams daily, but is it too much to ask that you keep tabs on your own players?

For those owners who can't or don't check every day, what is the worst that happens, you lose a couple days before you realize your guy is hurt and get a sub in. How is this any worse than losing a couple days because your player goes on the DL on Friday instead of Thursday? At least this way the lost time would be the result of an owner's conduct, not the randomness of when a player goes on the DL.

I know Greg has said numerous times that the DL rule applies equally to all teams, and this is true. But it does not affect all teams equally. It affects teams differently based solely on the date a player is placed on the DL.

In a league of this magnitude, minimizing the effect of things that are beyond an owner's control should be a priority. The current DL rule does not do this and in my opinion the DL rule should be scrapped or modified for next year.

(I AM NOT ADVOCATING DAILY LINEUP CHANGES, TWICE WEEKLY LINEUP CHANGES, OR A FLOATING MONDAY LINEUP DEADLINE!!!!)

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:48 am

I have asked STATS to look into the starting lineup deadline for Monday's, allowing you to set starting status for those players in early games and a later deadline for all teams playing Monday night or Tuesday. The deadline would be five minutes before the first Monday night game for all players not in the early Monday games. STATS can do this and will get back to me soon with a timetable on a possible change to address the early Monday games.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:53 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have asked STATS to look into the starting lineup deadline for Monday's, allowing you to set starting status for those players in early games and a later deadline for all teams playing Monday night or Tuesday. The deadline would be five minutes before the first Monday night game for all players not in the early Monday games. STATS can do this and will get back to me soon with a timetable on a possible change to address the early Monday games. EXCELLENT news Greg!!! Good work!!

Playing the guessing game at noon on Monday has proven to be difficult at times.

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:55 am

Poopy - I got to be honest. That is some of the biggest horseshitt I've seen on these boards. Howard was healthy enough on sunday to hit a homerun.

Prior to the monday 12:30 lineup squeeze no one knew that howard was getting benched cause the philly game didn't start till after 9pm. Ryan Howard, 1B, Philadelphia Phillies Monday 5/7, 8:26 AM CT

Ryan Howard admitted yesterday that the strained left thigh he sustained March 1 has affected him ever since, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. "Right now, my leg and everything like that - I can't get comfortable," Howard said. "It's tough to get it where it feels good." He added that a couple of weeks on the disabled list could help, though there are no plans for such a move right now.

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The talk of DL list should have been good indicator that problem will continue.

I respect your opinion, but you have to present the facts. Having the info available on Monday when the change was possible didn't help, why would twice a week? IMHO, it would be used more to squeeze out an extra game. IF one players playes M, T, W, and T, but other is off M or Thursday, then who would owner start 9 times out of 10? You start heading into same thing as pitching match ups.

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:58 am

Also, I have Chad Cordero in Ultamite, and yes it sucks I miss a week of stats (well maybe not his) but to miss stats sucks, but it's part of the game...

His case is more rare because it's not injury nicks, like many players, but it happens to everyone.

When a player is banged up, you have to see who is better option Ryan Howard with 5-10AB's or bench guy you want to fill in, like Dmitri Young, who may get 15-20 AB's and is healthy.

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:59 am

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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have asked STATS to look into the starting lineup deadline for Monday's, allowing you to set starting status for those players in early games and a later deadline for all teams playing Monday night or Tuesday. The deadline would be five minutes before the first Monday night game for all players not in the early Monday games. STATS can do this and will get back to me soon with a timetable on a possible change to address the early Monday games.

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EXCELLENT news Greg!!! Good work!!

Playing the guessing game at noon on Monday has proven to be difficult at times. Agreed, that is good news for the start of week for players...however, and this is for Gekko...the Howard info was there!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:01 am

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

I respect your opinion, but you have to present the facts. poop - i'm not even sure what you are saying?!? please post any lies (non-facts) i've told abut this situation.

players are complaining all the time that they are hurt. beltran just came out and said that his legs are sore and he'd like a break. does that mean all beltran owners should bench him for next week? of course not, unless they hear that he is sitting out an entire series, as was the case with howard this week.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:04 am

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

however, and this is for Gekko...the Howard info was there!

show me where it says howard was going to MISS the DIAMONBACKS series. (PRIOR TO THE 12:30 DEADLINE ON MONDAY)

here's a hint...you won't find it.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:06 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have asked STATS to look into the starting lineup deadline for Monday's, allowing you to set starting status for those players in early games and a later deadline for all teams playing Monday night or Tuesday. The deadline would be five minutes before the first Monday night game for all players not in the early Monday games. STATS can do this and will get back to me soon with a timetable on a possible change to address the early Monday games. Q-Hog, get that perch built

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:08 am

Gekko, I disagree, some owners do bench players that are hurt or complaining of injuries. I did with Bradley, Castillo...

To know a quad injury, saps power should have owners of Howard worried, but who are they goping to replace them with? I would even conceed and agree to daily DL moves...not that it would always help...

Here's where I will agree with you, the big name players, are harder to bench and often the replacement is not worth while...I'll give you that much, but then you must agree to this one thing....

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:10 am

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

Gekko, I disagree, some owners do bench players that are hurt or complaining or injuries. I did with Bradley, Castillo...

bradley and castillo are only slightly above replacement value. to be honest, they probably aren't even rosterable on my team. i could pick up a waiver wire bum and likely do just as good or better.

don't ever confuse howard with any of those two.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:13 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I have asked STATS to look into the starting lineup deadline for Monday's, allowing you to set starting status for those players in early games and a later deadline for all teams playing Monday night or Tuesday. The deadline would be five minutes before the first Monday night game for all players not in the early Monday games. STATS can do this and will get back to me soon with a timetable on a possible change to address the early Monday games. Q-Hog, get that perch built

[/QUOTE]you have just wrought havoc on my monday memorial day and labor day wienie roast and shrimp keebob fest gekk !

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poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Wed May 09, 2007 9:16 am

i could pick up a waiver wire bum and likely do just as good or better.

Then maybe Ryan Howard owners should have...I got Alex Gonzalez sitting on the wire and he's outslugging Howard...

But back to the wire comment, you can't use wire during the week, so who on bench is replacing Howard for the series? A player like Dmitri Young...or another "bum" along those lines as you put it.

Bottom line is, when you lose a 1st round pick, you don't have a bench player to stick in that is anywhere close in value. You're more likely to plug in a 3 for 21 week with 2 runs scored.