Free Agent Results

Cellar Dwellers · Post by **Cellar Dwellers** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:18 pm

Anybody who was interested in the two players that came over from the NL to the AL on Saturday would have been posting or emailing Greg leading up to the deadline, trying to find out why those players weren't listed. There were people posting on the board saying not all the players are listed for the AL that should be listed well before the deadline. Anybody that truly wanted either of those two guys would have been scrambling to find out why they weren't listed immediately. Greg fixed the situation the best way possible given the tardiness of STATS.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:42 pm

Originally posted by Cellar Dwellers:

Anybody who was interested in the two players that came over from the NL to the AL on Saturday would have been posting or emailing Greg leading up to the deadline, trying to find out why those players weren't listed. There were people posting on the board saying not all the players are listed for the AL that should be listed well before the deadline. Anybody that truly wanted either of those two guys would have been scrambling to find out why they weren't listed immediately. Greg fixed the situation the best way possible given the tardiness of STATS. I've been away all weekend until Sunday late afternoon. I checked the FA up to 7pm. I wanted that player, and yet you seem to feel I should have been harassing Greg all weekend and the fact that I did not somehow proves that I didn't really want him?

Perhaps you haven't considered all possibilities here Cellar... explain to me where I went wrong by checking the lists up to the 7pm deadline and I will try to understand where you're coming from here. Perhaps you just haven't considered all the possibilities?

Thanks,

Dave

p.s. I may not have gotten him in the bidding - who knows? But I sure feel like I should have a chance

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:43 pm

I picked up Jolbert Cabrera in the LV AL auction.

One, I was waiting for him to be posted so I could bid him. My bid went in at 7:00 EST when he finally popped up. Two, I don't see where I should be punished for taking the time to get a player I wanted. If they pull back Cabrera after I have already summited my lineup puts me at a disadvantage. Finally would I have been out bidded. Someone can always say so but do we really know? Sorry it didn't work out for the other owners but don't punish me for sticking it out to get a player I wanted.

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:56 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I picked up Jolbert Cabrera in the LV AL auction.

One, I was waiting for him to be posted so I could bid him. My bid went in at 7:00 EST when he finally popped up. Two, I don't see where I should be punished for taking the time to get a player I wanted. If they pull back Cabrera after I have already summited my lineup puts me at a disadvantage. Finally would I have been out bidded. Someone can always say so but do we really know? Sorry it didn't work out for the other owners but don't punish me for sticking it out to get a player I wanted. Was he available at 7pm? I sure didn't see him.

D

Cellar Dwellers · Post by **Cellar Dwellers** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 5:58 pm

Dyv, I'm on the same page as Walla Walla. I got Jolbert Cabrera in the NY AL Auction as well. Yes, I really wanted him and kept calling STATS and emailing Greg and posting on the board trying to find out why he wasn't posted yet. I think you and I agree that he should have been in the free agent pool by Saturday night, he was in every other one of my leagues that uses different stat services. Not seeing him there Saturday or Sunday afternoon prompted me to harass Greg and STATS because I really wanted him(more like needed him) and took it upon myself to make sure they got him in the system, where he should have been. He was literally posted right at 7pm and I would have gotten him without anyone else having a chance at him because I was refreshing every 2 seconds till he popped up. Greg didn't think that it would be fair that I would just get him with literally no time remaining for anyone else to put in a bid, so he sent out an email telling people they had till 8pm in the AL Auction for this week only. Quite honestly I would have gotten him alot cheaper if the deadline stayed at 7pm because there were literally only seconds for anyone else to get a bid in. As it is, I brutally overpaid for him, but I am fine with that. Hope that clears up where I'm coming from on this issue. All of that is not to mention the complete mess it would make to everyone else's rosters when Walla Walla and I would have to get our second choices, if highest bid, which would trickle down to everyone that got a free agent in the auctions. I think Greg did the only thing he could do here.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:00 pm

I found him first listed under outfielders at that time. I already knew what I was bidding and who I was dropping so it only took me a second to put it in.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:13 pm

This is a situation where both sides can make valid arguments as to what should happen. Enter the Commish--let Greg make the call here. We should respect his decision, no matter how bad at least two owners think it is.

Leaderboard Sports · Post by **Leaderboard Sports** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:14 pm

There is no solution now that will be fair to everyone and make everyone happy regarding this first weeks free agent bidding, but I think we need to have a ruling in place for future situations such as this.

If a player cannot be put into the free agent pool due to late trade or technical problems before 6pm on Sunday night I feel he should be left out of the free agent pool for that week and placed in the pool after the 7pm deadline so that he can be bid upon during the next weeks bids. You should have at least one hour to bid on a player and the 7pm deadline should stay firm.

BB of the Leaderboard · Post by **BB of the Leaderboard** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:33 am

[ April 05, 2004, 07:51 AM: Message edited by: BB of the Leaderboard ]

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:57 am

For the record I asked Greg to at least ensure

a bench player of mine is moved into the starting lineup if Cabrera is taken off my team so my lineup will be legal. Hey I'm not promoting the job STATS did here. Something else to think about is my blind bid is no longer blind. Everyone knows what I bid. I have no idea what they are willing to pay. I have to figure they would at least outbid what I bid before. Of course they all may decide its too much and maybe I end up bidding even more without need. Its just not a good deal for anyone at this point. I don't have the answer. Hell I didn't figure on these problems after paying $1,250.00 to play.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:03 am

Guys, I have posted a reply under the Rotisserie Discussion forum since I feel this is really an Auction League problem, not an entire NFBC problem. You are correct Walla Walla that this was a problem that you did not envision when you paid $1,250 to compete, but it's certainly a problem that grown men can solve correctly.

Whenver an inter-league trade is made, the computer should automatically enter those players into the free agent pool of each respective league . At least that's what I expected and I'm sure all of you expected. That didn't happen for some reason this week, but I guarantee you that STATS will make sure it happens going forward. I was actually in the office yesterday and saw the Milton Bradley trade go through on the wire and Jim at STATS manually put him into the NL Auction League free agent pool shortly after that. Neither of us knew that Jolbert Cabrera and Jason Romano were not in the AL Auction League free agent pool until I received two e-mails around 6:00 EST.

I'm not sure what the delay was, but we had to manually enter those players into the AL Auction League free agent pool and that didn't get done until about two minutes before 7:00 EST. Giving owners two minutes to bid didn't seem fair at the time, but adding an extra hour did to me at the time. Now I realize that it was a precedent I shouldn't have made as nowhere in the rules do we state about conditions in which we would add an hour to the FAAB bidding.

If STATS can backtrack the conditional bids, I'll make sure that you and Andy get your replacement bids at that position and that everyone in the AL Auction Leagues has the needed time to make their rosters legal and the way they want them today. There is certainly no problem in that. And I apologize for the confusion, but you know what time you e-mailed me and what time the players finally got into the free agent pool and unfortunately for all of us the delay was just too long to make it fair to everyone.

Yes, people know what you and Andy bid on Cabrera, but now everyone will have an added week to re-evaluate him and the bidding will be among 11 other owners, not just one or two. I think this is the fairest decision for all involved and I don't envision another FAAB problem like this again. I certainly didn't enjoy my Sunday night here until 11:00, but the problem will be corrected and the leagues will remain competitive and fair. And from here on out, the computer will DEFINITELY enter these inter-league trades much quicker than it did in Week 1.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:17 am

I didn't have any conditional bids. So its a mute point. As far as me bidding for Jolbert Cabrera

next week. I'll pass. Why rub salt in the wound.

BB of the Leaderboard · Post by **BB of the Leaderboard** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:39 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

I bid $951 for Bradley. . . . Hey Sack,

In all the furor I missed telling you that I admired the all-in effort. Sorta like pushing all your chips to the center of the table on the first hand. Good show!

B(Not that I'm hoping it works out for you, of course, but it was a move definitely worthy of notice)B

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:36 pm

BB....I appreciate that. MB was a player in a position that I needed very badly. Dunno if that will be enough, doubt it will, but at least I gave my shot at a guy that will GET maximun playing time for my FAAB IF he stays healthy. Best of luck with all of your teams. KM

Team Herron · Post by **Team Herron** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:45 am

Sack:

It pains me that you got MB. I felt lie he was the icing on the cake and I thought my Mid $500's would lock him (and myabe more) up. Brutal. Great call. Actually - it was more like a pronouncement of GAME ON!

Hopefully, we will se more intradivisional activity and my lost fortune now will be a gold mine later.

Jesse

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:35 pm

Good luck Jess, I didn't have a moments hesitation with this move. A gambler at heart....which I think you already know.