DL Players For Week 25

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:22 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The controversy last week involved us putting Josh Hamilton on the DL when someone felt he shouldn't be DL'd. Well, he seems disabled and out for the year. Now we're dealing with Sanchez having an oblique injury, another tough call. We've made our decision.

In 2008, we'll decide whether to keep these rules in place or not. [/QB]Sanchez is a tough call: So what swayed your decision involving a guy who strained his oblique(when are they NOT DL injuries?) and where his mgr stated he's out for the season to NOT place him on the DL?

Q

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:34 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The controversy last week involved us putting Josh Hamilton on the DL when someone felt he shouldn't be DL'd. Well, he seems disabled and out for the year. Now we're dealing with Sanchez having an oblique injury, another tough call. We've made our decision.

In 2008, we'll decide whether to keep these rules in place or not. Sanchez is a tough call: So what swayed your decision involving a guy who strained his oblique(when are they NOT DL injuries?) and where his mgr stated he's out for the season to NOT place him on the DL?

Q [/QB][/QUOTE]I'll have to save my testimony for GG's lawyer. Now legal action is being mentioned in baseball and football!! This is where high-stakes fantasy sports is definitely headed. No doubt.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:38 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

What issues did we have with the DL rule during the season? Each week, over 200 moves are made each Friday with an average of three players per league being moved out of their starting lineups. I have no problem changing rules, but I honestly didn't see a problem with the Friday DL rule this year.Two big problems that I see with the Friday DL rule:

(1) Roster manipulation -- owners are intentionally leaving DL pitchers in their lineups for Monday to Thursday to "see what develops." Why is this allowed to happen? If a player starts the week on the DL, his spot should be frozen for the week. Period.

(2) Timing -- We're still at the whim and mercy of STATS as far as the timing of official DL moves. While it is a disadvantage that affects everyone equally, the timing issue has created a degree of confusion and uncertainty. [/QUOTE]So NFBC owners have a healthy player on their reserve and they are starting an injured player for four days before determining whether to keep him started for the rest of the weekend or not? And that helps that team? Others would probably counter that without the Friday DL rule you have to make a whole week of decisions before the first games are played on Monday. In this case, we are wronged with or without the DL rule.

Everyone knows which players are DL eligible or not first thing Friday morning. But I'll honor your disappointment with the rule here. Thanks for the input as always.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:45 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

The controversy last week involved us putting Josh Hamilton on the DL when someone felt he shouldn't be DL'd. Well, he seems disabled and out for the year. Now we're dealing with Sanchez having an oblique injury, another tough call. We've made our decision.

In 2008, we'll decide whether to keep these rules in place or not. Sanchez is a tough call: So what swayed your decision involving a guy who strained his oblique(when are they NOT DL injuries?) and where his mgr stated he's out for the season to NOT place him on the DL?

Q [/QUOTE]I'll have to save my testimony for GG's lawyer. Now legal action is being mentioned in baseball and football!! This is where high-stakes fantasy sports is definitely headed. No doubt. [/QB][/QUOTE]Where is legal remedy being threatened? I thought you don't deal in hypotheticals?

Again, If you can point me to the clause in YOUR published rules that shows why Sanchez can't be DL'd, I'd appreciate it. If such a thing exists, it could really clear this mess up.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:50 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

So NFBC owners have a healthy player on their reserve and they are starting an injured player for four days before determining whether to keep him started for the rest of the weekend or not? And that helps that team? Yes it does.

I'll give you an easy example. Let's say two of your pitchers started on a Sunday. They're not going to start again until Friday or Saturday. You plug a DL pitcher in that spot for Monday or Thursday and lose no stats, since that spot would have been taken by a guy who is not pitching until Friday or Saturday. As the week progresses, perhaps there's a rainout or cancellation that moves one of your pitchers back a day. Now, instead of facing Roger Clemens, your pitcher is going against Kei Igawa. Or maybe your pitcher that was going Friday or Saturday is going to have his turn skipped altogther until the following week. By having that DL pitcher in the lineup to start the week, you allow teams to "see what develops".

I know of many owners that are employing this strategy already, and it is absolutely not within the spirit of what you are trying to accomplish with the rule.

Lock the roster spot of players who start the week on the DL, and I would have less issues with the rule.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:51 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by King of Queens:

[qb]At this point, I'll just wait and see how my replacement player does and whether that costs me any dough. At that point, I'll act accordingly. So this means you're just going to call me up and chat again?? Okay, my bad. I guess I just misread your conversation with Glenn.

Terry H · Post by **Terry H** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:54 am

Geez Gekko you just ought to be happy that Sanchez won't be making his scheduled 2nd start this weekend. :rolleyes:

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:55 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

As I'm sure you realize, the decisions you are making could ultimately determine the $100,000 winner. If it were me, I would defer to MLB on this one and stand clear of any potentially controversial decisions. Glenn: why introduce logic and common sense into this situation. While I don't stand much of a chance of winning the 100K, this decision could cost me some significant dough. At this point, I'll just wait and see how my replacement player does and whether that costs me any dough. At that point, I'll act accordingly. [/QUOTE]What does "act accordingly" mean in this instance?

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:55 am

My 2 cents...

Since we will have a list of "DL players" so that people can make changes this Friday, and since Sanchez won't pitch anymore this season because he is hurt, according to his manager, I believe Sanchez should be on your DL list for this Friday.

Other people on the list were apparently put there even though they would not have 15 games remaining.

So why is Sanchez any different?

I don't have him btw - but this really makes no sense to me.

Either we have a list for this Friday, and the 15 game thing is meaningless (because others on the list have less than 15 already), or we don't have a list.

John

mdz129 · Post by **mdz129** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am

Greg,

DL pitcher manipulation example:

DL pitcher is to be activated on Tuesday(if club has off day and uses 5 man rotation i.e. next start Monday of next week), Wednesday or Thursday.

Leave DL pitcher in active roster and then switch DL pitcher with healthy pitcher scheduled to start Friday or Saturday( hence he started Saturday or Sunday from prior week). Make move before DL designation is removed and transaction goes through smooth as silk on Friday.

Net result: 2 starts for one slot where neither pitcher was a 2 start pitcher.

Hmmmmmmmm...........

Berkshire Juggernauts · Post by **Berkshire Juggernauts** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am

I like both the Friday DL rule and the Sept. DL rule and hope we keep both. I think I agree with Mark that in the rules it doesnt state that this rule was put in place from Sept. 1 to Sept 15. I was under the impression if in the last week if one of my players had a major injury that a DL move was possible. It should probably be written in the rules that only the first two weeks of Sept. you will be able to make changes. Good Luck to all in these final days it should be exciting

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:00 am

Also...

I agree completely with KOQ. I think it's ridiculous to allow people to intentionally start a person on the DL for a week, when they have a person not on the DL that could start, and then allow them to switch on Friday.

The WHOLE POINT of the DL rule was to allow people who suffer from a sudden, mid-week injury, to be able to do something for 3 games out of the week.

That is the intent, the spirit, etc. The rule was never intended for letting someone wait and see what happens, before throwing a pitcher or not throwing a pitcher at the end of the week.

Wow, I'm feisty today, but KOQ is right.

John

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:02 am

More DL manip moves...

the obvious one of course but sit the 2 start pitcher on monday because he's up against BOS but swap him in friday because his sunday start is @seattle (nice job kjduke

)

Q

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:17 am

Berkshire and Sluggo, I'm glad you also see why greg's decision is so bizarre.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:18 am

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

Also...

I agree completely with KOQ. I think it's ridiculous to allow people to intentionally start a person on the DL for a week, when they have a person not on the DL that could start, and then allow them to switch on Friday.

The WHOLE POINT of the DL rule was to allow people who suffer from a sudden, mid-week injury, to be able to do something for 3 games out of the week.

That is the intent, the spirit, etc. The rule was never intended for letting someone wait and see what happens, before throwing a pitcher or not throwing a pitcher at the end of the week.

Wow, I'm feisty today, but KOQ is right.

John It would be interesting to see how many of the 200 moves per week were attributed to this sort of manipulation.

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:21 am

Gordon Gekko

Member

Member # 7

posted September 14, 2007 01:13 PM

dickie: greg has made his ruling. there is no use in debating it. everyone must abide by it. thanks.

Dickie V · Post by **Dickie V** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:24 am

sorry dude I just couldn't resist ... but I do agree that J Sanchez should be placed on the DL this week because he "has suffered a season ending injury"

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:42 am

Originally posted by Dickie V:

sorry dude I just couldn't resist ... but I do agree that J Sanchez should be placed on the DL this week because he "has suffered a season ending injury" no prob dickie. i see you are also puzzled by greg's decision going against what has already been established.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:43 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

If the "less than 15 days of the regular season" is your justification for NOT adding players to the SEP DL list then why did you email a preliminary list yesterday ??

Those guys had under 15 days left on the season too.

Q Was this ever responded to by Greg?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:44 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Now we're dealing with Sanchez having an oblique injury, another tough call. We've made our decision.

Can you point me to the clause in the RULES where he's not elgible to be DL'd?

If he wasn't hurt, he'd be starting again this year. [/QUOTE]Still unanswered.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:45 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Sanchez is a tough call: So what swayed your decision involving a guy who strained his oblique(when are they NOT DL injuries?) and where his mgr stated he's out for the season to NOT place him on the DL?

Q Q - Good question. I wish we had an answer to that one.

[ September 20, 2007, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:46 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I'll have to save my testimony for GG's lawyer. Now legal action is being mentioned in baseball and football!! This is where high-stakes fantasy sports is definitely headed. No doubt. if you want me to be honest, this is where high stakes sports is headed when rules aren't enforced by the GAMING OPERATOR.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:49 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

So this means you're just going to call me up and chat again?? Okay, my bad. I guess I just misread your conversation with Glenn. it means exactly what i posted. i'll act accordingly, just like you acted accordingly when you said sanchez wasn't DL elgible.

hopefully piniero's stats won't have any effect on my team standing.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:50 am

Originally posted by Terry Haney:

Geez Gekko you just ought to be happy that Sanchez won't be making his scheduled 2nd start this weekend. :rolleyes: haney: don't you have some "Greed" books to read :rolleyes:

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:51 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

What does "act accordingly" mean in this instance? see response above