Week 26 DL List

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:06 am

Originally posted by SluggoJD:

Our NFBC Player News says:

News: Betancourt sat out Wednesday's doubleheader against Cleveland after an MRI revealed a Grade 1 sprain of the flexor bundle in his right elbow.

Analysis: With only four games left, Betancourt is unlikely to play again this season. He has established himself as the team's shortstop for the foreseeable future, batting .289 with career highs of nine homers and 67 RBIs. The "unlikely to play" from STATS won't cut it for this late season DL list. It's just too iffy of an injury to guarantee that he would be placed on the 15-day DL with an injury like this. He sat out WEDNESDAY'S game. Sorry, but Betancourt won't qualify for this weekend's DL list. Good luck all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:25 am

Originally posted by Richie:

Proposed Sept. DL rule for next year:

If a guy designated by Tom and Greg as a DL guy does indeed play, then the replacement players numbers should be taken away and replaced by the DL playedr who did post numbers.

Comments? I'd be more interested in seeing at season's end if ANY players that we put on this year's September DL list came back and played. I don't believe anyone has thus far and we made the right call initially by not putting Gary Matthews Jr. on the DL list as he came back to play this week. I may be wrong, but so far I think we've gotten them right.

Unfortunately, there's been enough criticism of the September DL rule already to re-evaluate it for 2008. As I've said before, as an NFBC player I'd like to have this option with my lineup going forward, especially when so many league races are going right down to the very wire. But we'll see as I'm not sure I need the aggravation again next September.

Nutty Scrats · Post by **Nutty Scrats** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:29 am

Maybe the Mets starting line-up should be placed on the DL? LOL

Oops too late I guess they'll have to play this weekend! LOL

The only ones probably enjoying this more than the Phillies fans is the Yankees fans! ROFL

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:06 am

Betancourt has also sat out Monday and Tuesday, and whatever.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:07 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Unfortunately, there's been enough criticism of the September DL rule already to re-evaluate it for 2008. As I've said before, as an NFBC player I'd like to have this option with my lineup going forward, especially when so many league races are going right down to the very wire. But we'll see as I'm not sure I need the aggravation again next September. an NFBC player would like to have this option ? - YES. Aggravation for you ? -YES. Instead of eliminating it then how about a compromise. For the last 2 weeks of sep (not including the pitchers) how about allowing ANY offensive player to be swapped before friday's games ? Look at all this crap going on the last week. It's becoming the equivalent of football's week 17. During the most IMPORTANT 3 days of the season to numerous nfbc teams MLB managers are sitting regulars for the rest of the season, players are electing to start surgeries - and none of this crap is known by monday. Just a thought.

Q

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:19 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Unfortunately, there's been enough criticism of the September DL rule already to re-evaluate it for 2008. As I've said before, as an NFBC player I'd like to have this option with my lineup going forward, especially when so many league races are going right down to the very wire. But we'll see as I'm not sure I need the aggravation again next September. an NFBC player would like to have this option ? - YES. Aggravation for you ? -YES. Instead of eliminating it then how about a compromise. For the last 2 weeks of sep (not including the pitchers) how about allowing ANY offensive player to be swapped before friday's games ? Look at all this crap going on the last week. It's becoming the equivalent of football's week 17. During the most IMPORTANT 3 days of the season to numerous nfbc teams MLB managers are sitting regulars for the rest of the season, players are electing to start surgeries - and none of this crap is known by monday. Just a thought.

Q [/QUOTE]I agree that September is becoming like Week 17 of the NFL season, but unfortunately in baseball September is 1/6th of the season. That's why I was SO surprised by the vigor of the September posts this year. We were the only game trying to eliminate the luck factor in September and honestly I think it worked well for the participants.

But I will not have the September rule included in any of the 2008 contests when the rules debut next week. Maybe it's something we can figure out later, but right now I've listened to the loudest minority and decided it's not worth the aggravation. And again, I feel that's a shame.

Your idea is one of many suggestions I've received from smart people, Todd Zola included. But every suggestion opens the same can of worms that my old September rule opened. Okay, so there's no subjectivity on my part, but one move could mean this and then that and then this guy sues and then that guy threatens to sue. I can't envision every possible scenario that would lead some owners to eventually find a reason to get mad at me for the new rule.

So we'll carry on without that rule and hope MLB teams use the DL in September next year.

That would help.

God Our Team Sucks · Post by **God Our Team Sucks** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:48 am

I agree with your decision Greg. Beyond being a burden to decide who makes the list and who doesn't, knowing there's no bailout provision should be a strategic consideration when setting your lineup. You have to think twice about putting in an injured player the last week.

As an example, Yuni Betancourt was injured last Saturday, but I didn't notice it. It was up to me to find out why he didn't play on Sunday, not just assume it was a day off. Had I done that, I'd have used another guy in his slot for Week 26.

With starting pitchers, you always have the option of going with a middle reliever if you're concerned about a starter. (I've got Joba sitting on my bench. That's my bad.) Plus it's a little unfair when you get to drop a pitcher and replace him with another starter once the weekend rotations are confirmed.

But this is minor stuff. I'm in a league with a great bunch of guys, in a three way tie for first place going in to the last weekend, and the guys in fourth and fifth still can win some money. I'll be watching baseball this Sunday, and who can ask for more than that!

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:25 am

Please note that I'm not arguing loudly about Betancourt, even though it's obvious he won't play again, and hasn't played all week.

But still, this is subjective, and I'm out a player all week, after thinking Monday morning that he merely "tweaked his shoulder" per Rotoworld on Monday morning.

John

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:46 am

RotoTimes just reported that it was unclear if Betancourt would play the rest of the year and is still considered day to day.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:56 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Unfortunately, there's been enough criticism of the September DL rule already to re-evaluate it for 2008. As I've said before, as an NFBC player I'd like to have this option with my lineup going forward, especially when so many league races are going right down to the very wire. But we'll see as I'm not sure I need the aggravation again next September. an NFBC player would like to have this option ? - YES. Aggravation for you ? -YES. Instead of eliminating it then how about a compromise. For the last 2 weeks of sep (not including the pitchers) how about allowing ANY offensive player to be swapped before friday's games ? Look at all this crap going on the last week. It's becoming the equivalent of football's week 17. During the most IMPORTANT 3 days of the season to numerous nfbc teams MLB managers are sitting regulars for the rest of the season, players are electing to start surgeries - and none of this crap is known by monday. Just a thought.

Q [/QUOTE]I agree that September is becoming like Week 17 of the NFL season, but unfortunately in baseball September is 1/6th of the season. That's why I was SO surprised by the vigor of the September posts this year. We were the only game trying to eliminate the luck factor in September and honestly I think it worked well for the participants.

But I will not have the September rule included in any of the 2008 contests when the rules debut next week. Maybe it's something we can figure out later, but right now I've listened to the loudest minority and decided it's not worth the aggravation. And again, I feel that's a shame.

Your idea is one of many suggestions I've received from smart people, Todd Zola included. But every suggestion opens the same can of worms that my old September rule opened. Okay, so there's no subjectivity on my part, but one move could mean this and then that and then this guy sues and then that guy threatens to sue. I can't envision every possible scenario that would lead some owners to eventually find a reason to get mad at me for the new rule.

So we'll carry on without that rule and hope MLB teams use the DL in September next year.

That would help. [/QUOTE]You know that won't happen

I don't blame you for pulling back - how many head shots can a guy take where he just won't come out of the corner any more ? The heavy blows though were born

out of subjectivity and STATS position elig. Neither of which would be relevant during an open activate hitters from reserve to bench transaction It would ran just as smooth - even more so, as the friday DL swaps. At least in this case there would be no waiting for MLB's DL designation.

It's hard for me to envision a problem here but then again I wouldn't be on the receiving end if there was

Q

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:53 am

I gotta tell ya, Quahogs, I love the way you think.

I second the idea of changing offensive players during September on Friday's. The Managers that are near the top will have plenty of time to make changes since their agonizing over every pitch anyway. No subjectivity, and we can replace players who are benched due to a clinched pennant. A win-win.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:06 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I gotta tell ya, Quahogs, I love the way you think.

I second the idea of changing offensive players during September on Friday's. The Managers that are near the top will have plenty of time to make changes since their agonizing over every pitch anyway. No subjectivity, and we can replace players who are benched due to a clinched pennant. A win-win. Glad we're both on the same page Dough! I just don't see a downside here. The usual argument of twice weekly moves being too time consuming shouldn't play here. We're only talking 2 weeks and teams in the middle of the prize $ run.

The person that loses at the end of the season points to the player that sat the last 3 games as the reason why. Especially when the guy on the bench would have made all the difference. That sour taste is sure to carry over into the next season. Sour customers will join less leagues.

Maybe the bench replacement wouldn't have made a difference but the owner could then say - shoot I lost, but at least I left it all on the field

Q

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:22 pm

Quahogs, a most-excellent idea!

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:42 pm

This, from roto world on Wednesday

Ian Kennedy (back) won't be able to participate in the first round of the playoffs.

Sounds pretty similar to Maholms. I sure could've used a live arm in that spot

M Co · Post by **M Co** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:55 pm

OK, I think Greg and Tom are doing a great job here, and I only wish they allowed online drafts to the main event or expanded it to Osaka Japan.

That being said, I think the September DL rule was very bad to begin with, and should never have been implemented in the first place. A significant number of these injuries are month long problems that the team announces now as an excuse to shut a player down. Could several of these players have played if the games still meant something? Sure. But its very subjective to decide which ones get the official DL designation, and which ones don't. During the season teams have put pitchers like Jeff Weaver on the actual DL because in actual fact he was pitching poorly. They just named a medical reason to do so. Some teams now are more honest about why, and some teams aren't. Often the only difference now between "shoulder soreness" and "being shut down for general soreness" is how the team makes the press release. A lot of these surgeries are moved up because teams are out of it. Its subjective to decide which players get that DL designation, and which ones don't. The fact that none of the players designated as DL came back doesn't really mean that much- as it was kind of obvious they weren't. But players like Lincecum would probably have been put on the DL in the regular season too. I think its pretty silly to argue that in real baseball Jeff Weaver was any more hurt than Lincecum was, right? Sorry to be so long winded, but I'm glad this rule is being done away with next season, and I'm sorry it will end up affecting the standings this year, as indeed it will. I mean I defy anyone here to tell me the following, from AP, is about a player that would not have been DL'd in the regular season:

BACK BURNER: Ian Kennedy's bad back will keep him off the roster for the first round of the playoffs, but Torre didn't rule out the possibility of using the 22-year-old if the Yankees advance deeper into the postseason. Kennedy hasn't pitched since Sept. 13, although he will likely throw on flat ground today to test his back.