save explanation please...

751542 · Post by **751542** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:21 am

d. patterson(det.) enters the game with 1 out in the ninth and gets the last 2 outs in a 3 run game and does not get the save, why not????

PittIsIt95 · Post by **PittIsIt95** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:29 am

Pretty sure you must start an inning with 3 run or less lead to qualify for a save. If you do come in the middle of an inning (and pitch less than an inning), the tying run has to be on deck (not sure if any runners were on base in the case of Patterson).

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:40 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

d. patterson(det.) enters the game with 1 out in the ninth and gets the last 2 outs in a 3 run game and does not get the save, why not???? I have to agree with you, by all indications that should have been a save situation. Maybe the official Blue Jay scorer was so miffed about his team losing 3 straight to the Tigers that he decided not to hand out a save.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:54 am

The save rule always causes confusion. Please read the following:

10.20 Credit a pitcher with a save when he meets all three of the following conditions:

(1) He is the finishing pitcher in a game won by his club; and

(2) He is not the winning pitcher; and

(3) He qualifies under one of the following conditions:

(a) He enters the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitches for at least one inning; or

(b) He enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, or at bat, or on deck (that is, the potential tying run is either already on base or is one of the first two batsmen he faces); or

(c) He pitches effectively for at least three innings.

No more than one save may be credited in each game.

(3)(a) is where people usually get tripped up. Patterson did not pitch at least one inning, and thus was not entitled to a save.

Hope this helps.

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:55 am

The official rule on Saves, according to STATS, Inc:

Save Situation

• A Relief Pitcher is in a Save Situation when upon entering the game with his club leading, he has the opportunity to be the finishing pitcher (and is not the winning pitcher of record at the time), and meets any one of the three following conditions:

1. he has a lead of no more than three runs and has the opportunity to pitch for at least one inning, or

2. he enters the game, regardless of the count, with the potential tying run either on base, at bat, or on deck; or

3. he pitches three or more innings regardless of the lead and the official scorer credits him with a save.

George

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:57 am

KOQ is whipping my butt in the overall stats, and now he beats me to the punch on the ruling... I just can't win!

751542 · Post by **751542** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 8:04 am

thanks guys under the rules given it is crystal clear. RT

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:47 am

King of Queens, you are leading this thing so I don't want to argue with you too much, but the fact that Patterson didn't pitch one complete inning had nothing to do with him not getting a save. The one inning is only a factor if you enter the game to start the inning with a 3 run or less lead. If the tieing run was on deck when he came in he would have been credited with a save even if he only threw 1 pitch as long as it was the last out of the game. Congrats on the great start by the way.

SoonerC · Post by **SoonerC** » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:50 am

KoQ, after rereading your post you basically said what I just said so sorry for calling you out. At this point though, anything to maybe throw you off your game. Congrats again.