Professional Fantasy BB Player?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:49 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Since we're living the dream with this pro fantasy sports guy stuff...

How about the NFBC Hall Of Fame?

Start it during the 10th anniversary of the NFBC and have one inductee each year after the initial class.

If I were voting now (each NFBC member would get one vote) the initial class would be

Greg- Founder and creator of the NFBC

Tom- Trusty sidekick who has been there every step of the way

Shawn- Charter member who has had the most success.

Mark aka Gordon Gekko- Charter member who has been the heartbeat of the message boards. At some point, the NFBC will create a Hall of Fame to recognize its top players. I agree we should wait a few more years to see how the competition all shakes out because a few good years don't make a Hall of Famer. If that were the case, Roger Maris would be in the Hall of Fame. Dale Murphy would be in the Hall of Fame. Don Mattingly would be in the Hall of Fame.

Let's see if Shawn can keep this up for awhile before we annoint him. Let's see if Gekko can keep typing before we give him any honor. Let's see if Tom or I can survive in this job for more than four years before we earn anything!

There's plenty of game to be played before we set up a special wing of the NFBC.

But that being said, we don't need a nice round number like 5 years or 10 years to do this. It's possible the time could be right after year 7 or 8 to create an honor like this and to recognize our top players with a selection or two per year. We'll all know when that time is right. At this point, it's time to keep putting up the numbers, if you know what I mean.

But good idea Dan. Down the road, this is a no-brainer idea. [/QUOTE]I missed this funny the first time...gotta love the subtle jab at my boy, GG!

"Let's see if Gekko can keep typing before we give him any honor."

...typing!

All in good fun, Mark!

~Lance

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:55 am

fyi - i've only taken about 2 weeks off this baseball offseason. usually i take 3-4 months off, seriously. i CAN'T wait for draft day. i get a chance to right my wrongs from last year's draft. anything less than top 5 in 2008 is UNACCEPTABLE. but...i have a feeling that the GG bank account will be 100k richer come next october. try and stop me

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:45 am

i think i will.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:02 am

Will what?

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:34 am

Wonder Boy · Post by **Wonder Boy** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:43 pm

How great would that be to do this for a living? The rewards for winning just take too long to provide a steady cash flow. Unlike poker where you can win more frequently.

BTW: I just love reading the posts on this board! From GG, to Shawn, to Lance, etc etc.

I am going to make a better effort to join in the fray.

Always interesting reading gang!!!

All the best,

Steve Pletkin

bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 11:11 pm

With poker it's not just the ability to win more frequently, it's the smaller rake. The smaller the house takeout, the less superior to your competition you need to be to overcome the negative equity in your fantasy sports "bet".

Given a fantasy game where 90-95% of monies are paid back in prizes, it would be more likely to be able to grind out a living in baseball instead of football. Football as it is currently played is more luck-based than baseball, and luck is the advantage player's enemy.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:22 am

This is a good topic.

I agree that with what everyone has said about it not being enough to weather through the "bad years".

Some people who know me have said, "why don't you do this for a living(football)"? While that would be great, fantasy doesn't bring in STEADY income (ex. a check each month), and last I checked there weren't health insurance benefits.

Now if you could combine poker (something you could win DAILY) along with fantasy, that might be a different story. (I believe Robert Zarzycki does this)

Anybody want to move to Vegas???

mallorys killers · Post by **mallorys killers** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:45 am

I think a 2 time winner of the nfbc baseball should be an automatic hall of fame player. Whether its skill and luck, do you know the odds of winning this game 2 times.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:19 am

Originally posted by mallorys killers:

I think a 2 time winner of the nfbc baseball should be an automatic hall of fame player. Whether its skill and luck, do you know the odds of winning this game 2 times. Well in 2004 I won the NFFC. In 2007 I finished fifth in the NFBC. It IS only a matter of time before I win the NFBC.

It's funny, because I've always been a fanatsy football player first, and fantasy baseball 2nd. Now it's completely the other way around.

"Weekend warriors" can and do succeed at fantasy football. Baseball has proven to be the game which requires more skill to succeed.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:49 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by mallorys killers:

I think a 2 time winner of the nfbc baseball should be an automatic hall of fame player. Whether its skill and luck, do you know the odds of winning this game 2 times. It's funny, because I've always been a fanatsy football player first, and fantasy baseball 2nd. Now it's completely the other way around.

"Weekend warriors" can and do succeed at fantasy football. Baseball has proven to be the game which requires more skill to succeed. [/QUOTE]Baseball requiring more skill is the exact (and probably only) reason I am getting into it. As if I feel it is worth my time, I will work like a dog to be successful.

That being said, I don't think fantasy baseball will EVER take precedence over fantasy football for me.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:09 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

While that would be great, fantasy doesn't bring in STEADY income (ex. a check each month), and last I checked there weren't health insurance benefits.

Seen Sicko yet, Billy?

The trip to Cuba was "something else"

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:18 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by mallorys killers:

I think a 2 time winner of the nfbc baseball should be an automatic hall of fame player. Whether its skill and luck, do you know the odds of winning this game 2 times. It's funny, because I've always been a fanatsy football player first, and fantasy baseball 2nd. Now it's completely the other way around.

[/QUOTE]Same here. I grew up HATING baseball while playing football. I'm from a "football family"--bunch of players and coaches....from Ohio where it literally is a religion. I've posted this before on the NFFC boards, but if you want to see what football is like in Ohio, rent the movie

Go Tigers! www.imdb.com/title/tt0270971/

Point is, I lived and breathed football until about 2 years ago when I got into an NFBC satellite. I purchased the Xtra innings the past two seasons and now become

when the last game is played during the regular season.

Fantasy football has made me "almost" hate football. I still watch all the time and wish I were still playing or coaching....but due to fantasy sports, I see myself focusing less on a sport I loved for one I hated....go figure :rolleyes:

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:04 am

My first dip into fantasy games was football too, I ran a league for several years back in the time when you waited for the stats in the paper the next morning. Once I got into fantasy baseball, football was history. I guess I need the day to day interaction that football could not bring to the table.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:53 am

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sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:00 am

It will be interesting to see the evolution of both sports.

Both have great drawing power IMO.

Football has the beautiful Luck element that levels the playing field a bit and doesn't intimidate.

A casual fan of the NFL can and often does win their league, and can even win the main event.

You don't really have to break things down too much in football. You know which players score the most points, and grab them...and cross your fingers you stay healthy.

An 11 to 13 game regular season and a small starting roster (10 "players") allows the worst players to potentially beat the best players on any given year...but if somehow they played 25 games per season...I feel the best players would grind back from poor starts and the weakest players would have little chance to succeed.

Fantasy Baseball is a sweet science. A 23 man starting roster and 162 games to adjust and grind and track both your team and your competitions! I'm interested to see how the players evolve in this sport. With great guys like Shawn and Dan opening their minds to their direct competition...I'm very interested to see how things go in 2008. I for one am an entirely different and much more worthy opponent coming into this seasons draft, than I was one year ago. I cannot be the only one reading the articles by Shawn.

Will there be an adjustment to an influx of more educated opponents?

If everyone shoots for the 80% watermark...could a new strategy of loading up a little heavier on the categories where a little advantage means much more points in the overall take place? Maybe sacrificing down to 79% in 5 categories, and 81% in the other 5 would produce higher overall finishes?

Reminds me of poker in that regard...the evolving strategies based on how the competition is strategizing.

Very very interesting!

Good coffee!

~Lance

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bluenose · Post by **bluenose** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:34 am

Lance raises an interesting point that I'd like to push a little farther:

It's not unreasonable for a person to lose their NFBC league-of-fifteen but win the overall, is it? Suppose you get beat by half a point in your league, 123-122.5, but, in the overall, the categories your league winner beats you by are very narrow wins and the ones you beat him by are larger margins.

Could a person ever feel they had enough info on sept. 1st to willingly concede first place in their league to actually make a run at the overall? when we talk about "professional" players, doing this with the numbers on your side would be a "pro" move indeed.