The Mitchell Report

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:51 am

Okay, I'll start the official thread where we can discuss this today and it's impact on the game in 2008. I have nothing to add at this point, but once the report comes out I'd be interested in getting some feedback from our NFBC folks. Let the chatter follow the press conferences and see if we can make any sense out of this.

See ya after the announcement.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:57 am

Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte were the first names to emerge Thursday from the Mitchell report.

ESPN.com reported Brian McNamee, a former trainer for the Yankees and Clemens, told investigators he supplied Clemens and Pettitte with steroids and that information is in the report. The Web site cited an unidentified source close to the trainer.

[ December 13, 2007, 10:58 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:14 am

first names

Brady Anderson

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Manny Alexander

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Rick Ankiel

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Jeff Bagwell

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Barry Bonds

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Aaron Boone

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Rafael Bettancourt

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Bret Boone

Richie · Post by **Richie** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:15 am

List not yet totally confirmed

Several current and former baseball stars are among expected to be named in a report later today on steroid use in Major League Baseball.

The following names are expected to be named in the report, according to WNBC:

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenn y Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle

James A. Finley / AP

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Farnsworth, Ryan Franklin, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

Mitchell's report exposes a "serious drug culture within baseball, from top to bottom," fingers MVPs and All-Stars and calls for beefed-up testing by an outside agency to clean up the game, The Associated Press learned.

The report by former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell will include names of 60 to 80 players linked to performance-enhancing substances and plenty more information that exposes "deep problems" afflicting the sport, one of two sources with knowledge of the findings told the AP. Both sources said the report would not address amphetamines.

The two sources were familiar with discussions that led to the final draft but did not want to be identified because it was confidential until its scheduled release. They said the full report, which they had not read, totaled 304 pages plus exhibits.

Mitchell, a Boston Red Sox director, planned to release his report at 2 p.m. Thursday during a news conference in New York City. CNBC.com will carry the conference live.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:22 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens and Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte were the first names to emerge Thursday from the Mitchell report.

ESPN.com reported Brian McNamee, a former trainer for the Yankees and Clemens, told investigators he supplied Clemens and Pettitte with steroids and that information is in the report. The Web site cited an unidentified source close to the trainer. i think the quote was mamamee was "both" clemens and pettites trainer, but he supplied steroids to clemens. the only mention of pettitte was that they had the same trainer. but we'll see this afternoon.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:25 am

Only one surprise on the list.

Andy Pettitte.

The rest....all the signs were there

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:37 am

No Giles Bros?

Wow, in a way I think less of them because they're NOT on the report. This just means that they plain suck!

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:40 am

if clemens is on it- he should be treated EXACTLY the same as bonds. both in or both out.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:55 am

Late word that poodles is on it.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:04 am

Being in a report that had no subpoena power and is mostly based on the testimony of people who had something personal to gain by testifying is unlikely to have a lot of effect other than to give MLB more basis on which to increase their rules and testing procedures.

Because someone said Pettitte or LoDuca or anyone else had steroids doesn't really mean much in a court of law and thus the ability to do much about it. In addition many of these supposed users were in a time frame where the MLB regulations did not prohibit such use.

Yes, as Mitchell stated, MLB was slow to inititiate policies although they have done so now. I doubt much if anything happens to the players still in the game as a result of the Mitchell report. Look at the Royals signing of Guillen or the Astros trading for Tejada to see how concerned the major league clubs are.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:25 am

Varitek is clean!

Clemens doesn't have to worry anymore about not wanting to go to the hall with a Bosox cap on.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:31 am

Pujols dirty.

ARod clean.

Glad to see ARod is natural, as I always believed. He truly is the best in the game.

Some real surprises on the list, as well as the expected ones.

John

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:34 am

sluggo- fyi- these are the guys mitchell has word on. this is not everyone. "clean as we know it" would be a better way to put it. i am sure there are and were many many more. and the answer? don't go to the games if you don't like it.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:37 am

Yea, finding more out now - is Pujols really on the list?

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:40 am

Pujols is not on the list. The original list prior to 2PM was incorrect. I can tell you the following memebers of the 04 sox were not on it: Nixon, Varitek, Damon, Nomar.

The Yankees are hit the hardest by this. Plenty of key guys from their 96-00 run. Clemens, Petitte, knoblauch, Justice, Stanton, Grimsley

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:52 am

Full list:

# Chad Allen

Rick Ankiel

# David Bell

# Mike Bell

# Marvin Benard

# Gary Bennett, Jr.

# Larry Bigbie

# Barry Bonds

# Kevin Brown

# Paul Byrd

# Jose Canseco

# Mark Carreon

# Jason Christiansen

# Howie Clark

# Roger Clemens

# Jack Cust

# Brendan Donnelly

# Chris Donnels

# Lenny Dykstra

# Bobby Estalella

# Matt Franco

# Ryan Franklin

# Eric Gagne

# Jason Giambi

# Jeremy Giambi

# Jay Gibbons

# Troy Glaus

# Jason Grimsley

# Jose Guillen

# Jerry Hairston, Jr.

# Matt Herges

# Phil Hiatt

# Glenallen Hill

# Darren Holmes

# Todd Hundley

# David Justice

# Chuck Knoblauch

# Tim Laker

# Mike Lansing

# Paul Lo Duca

# Exavier "Nook" Logan

# Josias Manzanillo

# Gary Matthews, Jr.

# Mark McGwire

# Cody McKay

# Kent Mercker

# Bart Miadich

# Hal Morris

# Daniel Naulty

# Denny Neagle

# Rafael Palmeiro

# Jim Parque

# Andy Pettitte

# Adam Piatt

# Todd Pratt

# Adam Riggs

# Brian Roberts

# John Rocker

# F.P. Santangelo

# Benito Santiago

# Scott Schoeneweis

# David Segui

# Gary Sheffield

# Miguel Tejada

# Ismael Valdez

# Mo Vaughn

# Randy Velarde

# Ron Villone

# Fernando Vina

# Rondell White

# Jeff Williams

# Matt Williams

# Todd Williams

# Steve Woodard

# Kevin Young

# Gregg Zaun

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:56 am

Thanks Red Sox, I'm just home for lunch and it seems like at least 3 lists floating around online.

Rotoworld, for example, does not have Sheffield on their list.

****://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/colu ... leid=29671

John

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:49 am

So Greg:

How will the Mitchell Report effect the signups for the NFBC in 2008?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:24 am

Originally posted by Sack:

So Greg:

How will the Mitchell Report effect the signups for the NFBC in 2008?

I don't know, but I'm thinking about doing steroid testing during registration just to make sure no one is cheating!! Bring the Whizzinator if you have something to hide!!

Pujols was NOT on the Mitchell report. I'm glad as I saw his name at first and was disappointed. Honestly, very few on the list are surprising. I think Pettitte and Clemens are the most disappointing and it will be very interesting to see how the media treats Clemens vs. Bonds. Both are in the same boat as far as I'm concerned.

Very interesting stuff so far and more to come.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:25 am

Bonds is just a total jerk off and im happy hes on the list.Clemens and Pettitte is a shock to me, really bummed if its true with Clemens .

Sheffield another ass who is on the list.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:38 am

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Full list:

# Chad Allen

Rick Ankiel

# David Bell

# Mike Bell

# Marvin Benard

# Gary Bennett, Jr.

# Larry Bigbie

# Barry Bonds

# Kevin Brown

# Paul Byrd

# Jose Canseco

# Mark Carreon

# Jason Christiansen

# Howie Clark

# Roger Clemens

# Jack Cust

# Brendan Donnelly

# Chris Donnels

# Lenny Dykstra

# Bobby Estalella

# Matt Franco

# Ryan Franklin

# Eric Gagne

# Jason Giambi

# Jeremy Giambi

# Jay Gibbons

# Troy Glaus

# Jason Grimsley

# Jose Guillen

# Jerry Hairston, Jr.

# Matt Herges

# Phil Hiatt

# Glenallen Hill

# Darren Holmes

# Todd Hundley

# David Justice

# Chuck Knoblauch

# Tim Laker

# Mike Lansing

# Paul Lo Duca

# Exavier "Nook" Logan

# Josias Manzanillo

# Gary Matthews, Jr.

# Mark McGwire

# Cody McKay

# Kent Mercker

# Bart Miadich

# Hal Morris

# Daniel Naulty

# Denny Neagle

# Rafael Palmeiro

# Jim Parque

# Andy Pettitte

# Adam Piatt

# Todd Pratt

# Adam Riggs

# Brian Roberts

# John Rocker

# F.P. Santangelo

# Benito Santiago

# Scott Schoeneweis

# David Segui

# Gary Sheffield

# Miguel Tejada

# Ismael Valdez

# Mo Vaughn

# Randy Velarde

# Ron Villone

# Fernando Vina

# Rondell White

# Jeff Williams

# Matt Williams

# Todd Williams

# Steve Woodard

# Kevin Young

# Gregg Zaun If this list is correct, Sammy Sosa must be doing cartwheels right about now.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:40 am

There is certainly some question about reporting on the lists - as some have Sheffield on while others do not.

Also Red Sox Nation - curious where you got your list because ESPN in many hours of coverage specifically said McGwire was NOT in the report.

Bottom line is no one should be making assumptions unless they have read the report or designate their credibility to whomever they are relying on.

And as I suggested before, and Mitchell said live in his presser - absent any action taken by Selig (yeah, right) against Flagrant offenders, nothing is likely to happen to any former or current player and absent those who failed a test or admitted they took something, they have Nothing but second or third hand information.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:12 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

There is certainly some question about reporting on the lists - as some have Sheffield on while others do not.

Also Red Sox Nation - curious where you got your list because ESPN in many hours of coverage specifically said McGwire was NOT in the report.

Bottom line is no one should be making assumptions unless they have read the report or designate their credibility to whomever they are relying on.

And as I suggested before, and Mitchell said live in his presser - absent any action taken by Selig (yeah, right) against Flagrant offenders, nothing is likely to happen to any former or current player and absent those who failed a test or admitted they took something, they have Nothing but second or third hand information. Captain Hook: Got the list off of Sons Of Sam Horn so someone must have had it wrong. Sosa should be on it and Big Mac off.

Tampa Munchers · Post by **Tampa Munchers** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:00 am

Anyone else find it odd that Rich Garces made the list? He's got to be pushing 300lbs

puddle of nud · Post by **puddle of nud** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:27 am

Mitchell Report was a joke.....It was based on 2 rats who were facing jail time unless they named names.....I can see where Rodomski's info is useful as he has receipts, cancelled checks, fed-ex packages, etc. but basically all they have on Clemens and Pettitte is the testimony (of a criminal) on what he saw and did (basically 1 persons word vs another persons) I would have thought Mitchell would have had more concrete evidence on certain players before he ruined their careers. The Brian Roberts stuff is a joke!!

and to all the Yankee haters trying to say the 2000 title and others were tainted....go back and read the report...the only meaningful player who "supposedly" was on roids was Clemens. Knoblauch, Stanton, Justice, Pettitte all "supposedly" bought roids or HGH after 2000.

Any player that wasnt tied to Balco, Albany or the YAnkee or Met clubhouse got off easy. Everyone knows there are juicers across the Bigs but only like 1% of the players now have their careers ruined or tainted. A JOKE!! I hope Michell really tried hard finding rats in the Red Sox, Angel, Tiger, Brewer, St Louis etc clubhouses. You know he didnt....JOKE!!!