NFBC Auction Keeper Lge in Las Vegas

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:17 pm

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Maybe we should start taking signups for a 2009 Keeper Auction in Vegas ... That's a good thought. I'd be willing to commit to 2009 right now.

Another thought to toss out there would be running the auction online, assuming those signed up would be willing to go that route.

I'm up for either. [/QUOTE]Greg - no way to run it online until there is a site that can really handle it. Get it scheduled for next year and I am IN.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:26 pm

Auctions work just fine via chat rooms, but I'd much rather do a live event, and if we target '09 this will give STATS a year of running a keeper under these rules to work the kinks out.

I'll try to get an early start on this for '09, beginning in the second half of this season while everyone is still paying attention to baseball so we can get it filled way ahead of time. We've already got 4, and probably more from those that hoped to be in it for '08.

2009 Keeper Auction in Vegas

1 Greg Morgan

2 KJ Duke

3 Hook

4 Colorado

Terry Pass · Post by **Terry Pass** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:39 pm

Auctions work just fine via chat rooms, but I'd much rather do a live event, and if we target '09 this will give STATS a year of running a keeper under these rules to work the kinks out.

I'll try to get an early start on this for '09, beginning in the second half of this season while everyone is still paying attention to baseball so we can get it filled way ahead of time. We've already got 4, and probably more from those that hoped to be in it for '08.

2009 Keeper Auction in Vegas

1 Greg Morgan

2 KJ Duke

3 Hook

4 Colorado

5.Terry Passalacqua (Scorpion)

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Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:51 pm

Sorry, but for a league of this caliber and magnitude, I want a live draft and not doing it in the blind via a chatroom.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:36 pm

Roger that, 2009 Vegas Live.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:47 pm

You had better draft your ass of year number one of a keeper league...or you'll be donating for 3 years plus!

My experience of keepers are all negative.

Lopsided trades (thank goodness not allowed here).

Weak teams giving up.

Top teams after year number one having a major advantage on year two and beyond.

I don't know how these leagues exist...other than the crazy die hards who can't wait 3 weeks more for their fantasy fill...oh, wait.

~Lance

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:03 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I don't know how these leagues exist.

~Lance I do

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:30 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I don't know how these leagues exist.

~Lance I do

[/QUOTE]I've yet to see one with a 5 year span with no team leaving.

Trying to replace a team is horrible...due to most of the teams leaving are the worst ones.

Headache after headache from a commish standpoint.

Have fun!

~Lance

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:35 pm

If anyone wants to join a private keeper league run by KJDuke that has each member owning an NL only and an AL only franchise, I am looking for a parner to handle the National League side of things. The NL auction is March 22. if intersted, shoot me an e-mail or PM and I can give you the details. The keepers are OK -- Holliday and haren leading the list.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:40 pm

Let me continue...feeling pretty good, John!

Here are more beefs with keeper leagues.

Say you have 12 to 15 teams of similar skill set.

WHY ON EARTH would your put you man-love of certain payers (and your ability to keep them close to your heart)

above the ability to re-draft JUST IN CASE your team drafted in "year number one" busts...or your speedster pulls a hammy, or your COL slugger gets traded to LA...or whatever?

The bottom teams after year #1 will be bottom teams after year #2 and year #3 unless you reward the weak with built in rules to assist the crap teams (which is also unfair.)

These same 12-15 teams would have much more league balance by re-drafting each year...yet the ego's or man crushes on players has them donating to the stud teams who draft well year #1...period.

I've been there. I don't see the top 3 teams turning over much...the top three to five teams just flip flop positions each year...and the rest donate like idiots...where in a re-draft...you can learn and draft better each year.

...and if it's one of the bogus keeper league where you only keep 3 players...why bother?

Wooohoooooooo!

~Lance

[ February 25, 2008, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:23 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Let me continue...feeling pretty good, John!

Here are more beefs with keeper leagues.

Say you have 12 to 15 teams of similar skill set.

WHY ON EARTH would your put you man-love of certain payers (and your ability to keep them close to your heart)

above the ability to re-draft JUST IN CASE your team drafted in "year number one" busts...or your speedster pulls a hammy, or your COL slugger gets traded to LA...or whatever?

The bottom teams after year #1 will be bottom teams after year #2 and year #3 unless you reward the weak with built in rules to assist the crap teams (which is also unfair.)

These same 12-15 teams would have much more league balance by re-drafting each year...yet the ego's or man crushes on players has them donating to the stud teams who draft well year #1...period.

I've been there. I don't see the top 3 teams turning over much...the top three to five teams just flip flop positions each year...and the rest donate like idiots...where in a re-draft...you can learn and draft better each year.

...and if it's one of the bogus keeper league where you only keep 3 players...why bother?

Wooohoooooooo!

~Lance Most of the above hasn't been true of my lge of NFBC guys Lance - no repeat winners in the first two seasons, last yr's winners are not clear favorites this season, and after this season a huge amount of talent will turn over because contracts cant be extended beyond 3 yrs and there is no trading.

Just have to get the right set of rules in place, which after playing these lges for awhile, I think have for this lge and for the NFBC keeper based on this rule set ... keep hatin' on 'em and you'll just miss all the fun.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:48 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Most of the above hasn't been true of my lge of NFBC guys Lance - no repeat winners in the first two seasons, last yr's winners are not clear favorites this season, and after this season a huge amount of talent will turn over because contracts cant be extended beyond 3 yrs and there is no trading.

Just have to get the right set of rules in place, which after playing these lges for awhile, I think have for this lge and for the NFBC keeper based on this rule set ... keep hatin' on 'em and you'll just miss all the fun.

[/quote]

very good points... It's most certainly not for all, and it should not be expected to be... The key is in he rules as you stated here.

I run lifetime point W/L leagues. You keep all. 10% turnover every year and I auction them off and don't start new leagues until they have all sold. A formula that has worked since 1990.

As Lance was posting away, I rec'd an e-mail from a local roto keeper league I'm starting my 5th year with. They have great rules. 7 keepers max. Min keep is at $10. Anyone acquired via trade or FA can't be kept the next year, and you can keep for only two years. Lots of fun, no bogus trades.

Bag on them all you want Lance. There are many that enjoy the ups and the downs over he years...

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:45 am

Very good, gentlemen!

Dr. Jekyll, here. (Mr. Hyde will be back late tonight!

)

I'll agree that strict and just rules could help a lot in a keeper league. (I'd bet it took many years of lesser rules to evolve to where you are...and I most likely played under rules I didn't agree with.)

I may also have a bias against them, as THIS was my team (Finished 1st place, with potential to dominate for 3 years or more easily...but we wanted to expand ownership, so I agreed to redraft the following year, and open up from 10 teams to 12...thus sacrificing what took me a few years to create after only ONE championship!!!)

2001, mind you...with many of these players in their prime or pre-prime!!!

Player R HR RBI SB AVG

Lance Berkman (Hou - OF,Util) 110 34 126 7 .331

Barry Bonds (SF - OF,Util) 129 73 137 13 .328

Vinny Castilla (Col - 3B,CI,Util) 69 25 91 1 .260

Luis Castillo (NYM - 2B,MI,Util) 76 2 45 33 .263

Roger Cedeno (Bal - OF,Util) 79 6 48 55 .293

Carlos Delgado (NYM - 1B,CI,Util) 102 39 102 3 .279

Andres Galarraga (NYM - 1B,CI,Util) 50 17 69 1 .256

Nomar Garciaparra (LAD - SS,MI,Util) 13 4 8 0 .289

Juan Gonzalez (Bos - OF,Util) 97 35 140 1 .325

Ken Griffey Jr. (Cin - OF,Util) 57 22 65 2 .286

Cristian Guzmán (Was - SS,MI,Util) 80 10 51 25 .302

Paul Lo Duca (Was - C,1B,CI,Util) 71 25 90 2 .320

Javy López (Atl - C,Util) 45 17 66 1 .267

David Ortiz (Bos - 1B,CI,Util) 46 18 48 1 .234

Jorge Posada (NYY - C,Util) 59 22 95 2 .277

Albert Pujols (StL - 1B,3B,OF,CI,Util) 112 37 130 1 .329

Alfonso Soriano (ChC - 2B,3B,CI,MI,Util) 77 18 73 43 .268

Jim Thome (CWS - 1B,CI,Util) 101 49 124 0 .291

Pitching

Player W SV ERA

Rick Ankiel (StL - SP) 1 0 7.13

Josh Beckett (Bos - SP) 2 0 1.50

Tom Glavine (Atl - SP) 16 0 3.57

Jason Jennings (Tex - SP) 4 0 4.58

Pedro Martínez (NYM - SP) 7 0 2.39

Joe Mays (LAD - SP) 17 0 3.16

Roy Oswalt (Hou - SP,RP) 14 0 2.73

Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP) 4 50 2.34

C.C. Sabathia (Cle - SP) 17 0 4.39

Curt Schilling (Bos - SP) 22 0 2.98

Bud Smith (Ari - SP,RP) 6 0 3.83

Billy Wagner (NYM - RP) 2 39 2.73

For the categories we used...dominant.

But, I'll concede that under a no-trade league (my biggest beef by far)...and controlled/inflated keeper values, and some more tweaks...could be better than when I played.

But I'll still bet the bottom 5 teams after this season will still be out of the money in 2009! (Where that would be much less predictable in a re-draft league.)

~Lance

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:59 am

Lance, one of the best things about a keeper for me is that once you realize your team won't be competing in a given season - whether that is April 1st or mid-August - you still have something to play for (unlike a re-draft lge) - you can get to work on setting yourself up for future seasons with FAAB, while other teams toil away bidding on 37 yr-old soft-tossers they hope can snag them 3 more wins to put them over the top.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:35 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

If anyone wants to join a private keeper league run by KJDuke that has each member owning an NL only and an AL only franchise, I am looking for a parner to handle the National League side of things. The NL auction is March 22. if intersted, shoot me an e-mail or PM and I can give you the details. The keepers are OK -- Holliday and haren leading the list.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:41 am

Lance,

A 15 team NFBC league with a 30 man roster using all 30 major league teams will most assuredly guarantee 8 pretty nice protects.

15 experienced NFBC owners will smooth out the talent and the lack of trading will prevent a wealth of talent moving from l team to another.

This should eliminate any skeletal teams that if need a new home, show enough meat on the ribs to make for an attractive investment !

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:55 am

You had me at homeless skeletal teams!