Clayton Kershaw

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:03 pm

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:05 pm

Ummm, I think he was on the 40-man roster. He was reassigned just yesterday.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:33 pm

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool. There was a post on another thread about some player who were still the pool after 7AM.

Here's the post:

I just mentioned this on another thread. STATS has informed me that any player who was still on a team's roster by this morning at 7 a.m. will remain within that league's free agent listings. We locked the lists at 7 a.m. before final cuts were made by some teams and those players will remain available for the week 1 FAAB period. Any player that is available to be picked up in your league is eligible to be picked up. Good luck all.

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Greg Ambrosius

Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:36 pm

He is NOT on the Dodgers 40 man roster.

Unfortunately STATS had virtually everyone invited to spring training on their "lists".

Since he was not reassigned until today (or at least the transaction did not get to them) before their 7 AM deadline (for us so we don't have to look at different times of day to see if players are added - and that IS a good idea).

Perhaps in the future Greg can get them to have NFBC lists that are only players on Major League Rosters which will prohibit some of what happened today. I guess the problem is that to input a player drafted in ANY NFBC league they would have to put them on all lists - but there must be a better way to do this to prevent players like this from being picked up when they shouldn't even be in the player pool. One way might be to put in everything needed to load rosters and THEN clear down to ML only players before the first FAAB period.

Sadly I don't there is anything that can be done about players picked up today who shouldn't have been on the FA lists.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:41 pm

I would think Kershaw was only picked up in early satellite leagues. He should have been drafted in every main event league.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:11 pm

Headley was optioned on March 23rd, yet was available for pickup today.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:39 pm

Greg, I had no problems. Thank you.

The first year we had an uproar about a long forgotten player in the AL auction. Being one of the bidders, (DYV was the other) the rule was changed to have a cut off time on Free Agents added to the list. Made sense. Not sure what the problem is today. The player was listed on the FAAB list. You either say I'll bid or I won't.

If you miss out tough. If your too lazy to check the list tough.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:17 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, I had no problems. Thank you.

The first year we had an uproar about a long forgotten player in the AL auction. Being one of the bidders, (DYV was the other) the rule was changed to have a cut off time on Free Agents added to the list. Made sense. Not sure what the problem is today. The player was listed on the FAAB list. You either say I'll bid or I won't.

If you miss out tough. If your too lazy to check the list tough.

Ah, yes, the forever charming Walla Walla and his brilliant troll imitations....funny guy.

So who's gonna take the bait?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:27 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, I had no problems. Thank you.

The first year we had an uproar about a long forgotten player in the AL auction. Being one of the bidders, (DYV was the other) the rule was changed to have a cut off time on Free Agents added to the list. Made sense. Not sure what the problem is today. The player was listed on the FAAB list. You either say I'll bid or I won't.

If you miss out tough. If your too lazy to check the list tough.

That Cabrera kid was going to be star!! I think you went something like 102 on two players that week. He ended up in Japan so he is a forgotten man in the fantasy world.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:53 pm

I acquired Kershaw for $14 in an earlier sat and I actually would have preferred my conditional bid.

I'm sure he'll be up sometime during the summer, but who knows, he is quite young. Going to be hard to continue to roster him as the season rolls along.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:40 am

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool. Kershaw was sent down to the minors on Sunday afternoon, well after our 7 a.m. Sunday deadline for free agents. He was available in the free agent pool for every undrafted NFBC league all week long and he remained there on Sunday as we lock the free agent listings at 7 a.m. Players are not added or removed after 7 a.m. on Sunday so that all of you can enjoy your Sundays and not worry about these lists. It certainly wouldn't have been right to remove players on Sunday afternoon. Then you'd come back on Sunday night and see several of your main bids removed and you'd be stuck with your conditional bids. That's not right.

STATS was right to include all players on 40-man rosters in the free agent listings and to keep them there until they were officially sent down to the minors. Kershaw is a player you could have drafted two weeks ago and now he's a player who was available in free agency with everyone having the same $1,000 free agent budget. I don't see the problem.

This is likely the only week where there may have been some confusion involving players who could have been removed from the free agent pool and thus the early Sunday deadline may have caused some confusion. But this is exactly why we moved this up, so that we could lock the free agent listings and everyone could bid on whomever was in the free agent pool. Nobody could be added or taken out after 7 a.m., giving you 13 hours of time to bid on all of those players in all of your leagues.

Good luck all.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:43 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool. Kershaw was sent down to the minors on Sunday afternoon, well after our 7 a.m. Sunday deadline for free agents. He was available in the free agent pool for every undrafted NFBC league all week long and he remained there on Sunday as we lock the free agent listings at 7 a.m. Players are not added or removed after 7 a.m. on Sunday so that all of you can enjoy your Sundays and not worry about these lists. It certainly wouldn't have been right to remove players on Sunday afternoon. Then you'd come back on Sunday night and see several of your main bids removed and you'd be stuck with your conditional bids. That's not right.

STATS was right to include all players on 40-man rosters in the free agent listings and to keep them there until they were officially sent down to the minors. Kershaw is a player you could have drafted two weeks ago and now he's a player who was available in free agency with everyone having the same $1,000 free agent budget. I don't see the problem.

This is likely the only week where there may have been some confusion involving players who could have been removed from the free agent pool and thus the early Sunday deadline may have caused some confusion. But this is exactly why we moved this up, so that we could lock the free agent listings and everyone could bid on whomever was in the free agent pool. Nobody could be added or taken out after 7 a.m., giving you 13 hours of time to bid on all of those players in all of your leagues.

Good luck all. [/QUOTE]Greg,

I am too lazy to look, but was Steven Pearce sent down well before yesterday at 7:00 AM?

I had him as a bid, and didn't see him get picked up in my league, so I am assuming he was.

Thanks!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:44 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, I had no problems. Thank you.

The first year we had an uproar about a long forgotten player in the AL auction. Being one of the bidders, (DYV was the other) the rule was changed to have a cut off time on Free Agents added to the list. Made sense. Not sure what the problem is today. The player was listed on the FAAB list. You either say I'll bid or I won't.

If you miss out tough. If your too lazy to check the list tough.

You are correct. We learned a good lesson that day: We needed a deadline for free agent additions or else you owners would have to sit in front of your computers all day Sunday and wait for those last minute additions. Cabrera was added like 45 minutes before our free agent deadline (maybe it was even less than that) and it wasn't fair to everyone involved. We put him back into the free agent pool for everyone in that league to bid on in Week 2 and established the two-hour window. Today we have expanded that window to 13 hours so that everyone can enjoy Sundays.

We also hope to time-stamp free agent additions going forward, which will make things even easier. That way you'll be able to see the latest additions for each of your NFBC leagues much easier and spend even less time on Sundays making your FAAB bids.

And then we'll add another positive feature this week when we unveil the new FAAB bidding process. That should make it even less time-consuming for NFBC owners who have to make bids in multiple leagues. Look for that new feature in the next few days.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:46 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool. Kershaw was sent down to the minors on Sunday afternoon, well after our 7 a.m. Sunday deadline for free agents. He was available in the free agent pool for every undrafted NFBC league all week long and he remained there on Sunday as we lock the free agent listings at 7 a.m. Players are not added or removed after 7 a.m. on Sunday so that all of you can enjoy your Sundays and not worry about these lists. It certainly wouldn't have been right to remove players on Sunday afternoon. Then you'd come back on Sunday night and see several of your main bids removed and you'd be stuck with your conditional bids. That's not right.

STATS was right to include all players on 40-man rosters in the free agent listings and to keep them there until they were officially sent down to the minors. Kershaw is a player you could have drafted two weeks ago and now he's a player who was available in free agency with everyone having the same $1,000 free agent budget. I don't see the problem.

This is likely the only week where there may have been some confusion involving players who could have been removed from the free agent pool and thus the early Sunday deadline may have caused some confusion. But this is exactly why we moved this up, so that we could lock the free agent listings and everyone could bid on whomever was in the free agent pool. Nobody could be added or taken out after 7 a.m., giving you 13 hours of time to bid on all of those players in all of your leagues.

Good luck all. [/QUOTE]Greg,

I am too lazy to look, but was Steven Pearce sent down well before yesterday at 7:00 AM?

I had him as a bid, and didn't see him get picked up in my league, so I am assuming he was.

Thanks! [/QUOTE]Steven Pearce was sent down to the minors on March 17th, 13 days ago. Yes, that's why he wasn't listed in your league.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:54 am

I thought it was a while back, but when I saw he was listed for pickup there, I thought I would give it a whirl!

Thanks Greg!

[ March 31, 2008, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: billywaz ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:33 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Headley was optioned on March 23rd, yet was available for pickup today. I just asked STATS about this one and here's their reply:

"The first FAAb always includes players that aren't on active rosters because teams don't have to submit them until the last day and by the time those official transctions are entered the faab period has ended."

So even though Headley was sent down, STATS didn't officially receive a cutdown for him until Sunday or even today. Going forward, obviously the FAAB lists will be more defined as 25-man rosters will be finalized this week.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:01 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

Headley was optioned on March 23rd, yet was available for pickup today. I just asked STATS about this one and here's their reply:

"The first FAAb always includes players that aren't on active rosters because teams don't have to submit them until the last day and by the time those official transctions are entered the faab period has ended."

So even though Headley was sent down, STATS didn't officially receive a cutdown for him until Sunday or even today. Going forward, obviously the FAAB lists will be more defined as 25-man rosters will be finalized this week. [/QUOTE]Exactly what I suspected the problem to be -- the 25-man rosters aren't actually official until the first game is played.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:55 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

I saw that Clayton Kershaw was picked up in a few leagues, yet according to MLB's website he's not on the Active 25 man roster. Did the rule get changed this year concerning who is eligible to get picked up? Clayton's not the 40 man either, so I'm not sure why he was in the available player pool. Kershaw was sent down to the minors on Sunday afternoon, well after our 7 a.m. Sunday deadline for free agents. He was available in the free agent pool for every undrafted NFBC league all week long and he remained there on Sunday as we lock the free agent listings at 7 a.m. Players are not added or removed after 7 a.m. on Sunday so that all of you can enjoy your Sundays and not worry about these lists. It certainly wouldn't have been right to remove players on Sunday afternoon. Then you'd come back on Sunday night and see several of your main bids removed and you'd be stuck with your conditional bids. That's not right.

STATS was right to include all players on 40-man rosters in the free agent listings and to keep them there until they were officially sent down to the minors. Kershaw is a player you could have drafted two weeks ago and now he's a player who was available in free agency with everyone having the same $1,000 free agent budget. I don't see the problem.

This is likely the only week where there may have been some confusion involving players who could have been removed from the free agent pool and thus the early Sunday deadline may have caused some confusion. But this is exactly why we moved this up, so that we could lock the free agent listings and everyone could bid on whomever was in the free agent pool. Nobody could be added or taken out after 7 a.m., giving you 13 hours of time to bid on all of those players in all of your leagues.

Good luck all. [/QUOTE]Please don't misunderstand. I'm fully aware of the 7am. cutoff and no changes after that. That's a good thing. The problem is twofold:

a) I was under the impression that 24/7/365, only Active 25-man Roster players were eligible for ANY free agent period pickup. Apparently this is not the case.

b) I'm 99% sure that Clayton Kershaw was never on the 40 man roster. I know that MLB had him listed under non-roster invitees. Plus, not being on the 40-man is the only logical reason, that I can think of, for him going undrafted in the Keeper league(only 40 man roster players are eligible for that draft)

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What's done is done. I just want to make sure, going forward that I completely understand the rules and that everything is consisent(I'm not implying that they're not).

[ March 31, 2008, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: Liquidhippo ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:28 am

a) I was under the impression that 24/7/365, only Active 25-man Roster players were eligible for ANY free agent period pickup. Apparently this is not the case.

Greg, that above isn't always the case as the first FAAB period has always had some minor-leaguers listed before final cuts are made. And of course some leagues will have minor-leaguers in their free agent pools who were selected on DRaft Day and were later cut within that league. They remain in that league's free agent pool the entire year then.

As for Kershaw, we allow any player to be selected on Draft Day, but I agree with you that Non-Roster Invitees were not in the free agent pool and yet Kershaw was (who apparently wasn't on the 40-man). We don't restrict the off-season free agent pool to 40-man rosters, but there is some inconsistency there. Anyway, he was available for everyone this week as he remained part of the Dodgers before our FAAB cutoff.

The free agent pools are always tricky before cuts are officially made by MLB teams, but going forward there is no gray area.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:46 am

Greg Wrote:

Greg, that above isn't always the case as the first FAAB period has always had some minor-leaguers listed before final cuts are made.

unquote

Ok, I'll file that away looking ahead to 2009.

quote:

And of course some leagues will have minor-leaguers in their free agent pools who were selected on DRaft Day and were later cut within that league. They remain in that league's free agent pool the entire year then.

unquote

Yes, I forgot to include that in my initial post.

...ok, just 15 minutes 'til the games kick off in earnest! Let's see 4 steals from Velez today!

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:16 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

a) I was under the impression that 24/7/365, only Active 25-man Roster players were eligible for ANY free agent period pickup. Apparently this is not the case.

Greg, that above isn't always the case as the first FAAB period has always had some minor-leaguers listed before final cuts are made. And of course some leagues will have minor-leaguers in their free agent pools who were selected on DRaft Day and were later cut within that league. They remain in that league's free agent pool the entire year then.

As for Kershaw, we allow any player to be selected on Draft Day, but I agree with you that Non-Roster Invitees were not in the free agent pool and yet Kershaw was (who apparently wasn't on the 40-man). We don't restrict the off-season free agent pool to 40-man rosters, but there is some inconsistency there. Anyway, he was available for everyone this week as he remained part of the Dodgers before our FAAB cutoff.

The free agent pools are always tricky before cuts are officially made by MLB teams, but going forward there is no gray area. I'm go to admit that I don't keep up 100% with this topic and these types of threads on the NFBC.

That said....

Why do we have such complex rules on this topic?

The fact that they are so complex in itself makes them hard to keep up with except for KoQ. Even NFBC mgmt. can not keep up at times.

This is insane IMO.

Why not simplify it by:

1) Keep the draft rules exactly the same.

(That process to was confusing and had issues until being fixed two years ago)

2) If a player is drafted in ONE main event league, then he should be available to ALL main event leagues the rest of the year. We are all competing for the SAME prize, we should get a pool of the SAME players.

On top of that, it simplifies everything.

Get rid of all the TIME STAMP BS where ever possible.

We are subject to the info Stats Inc gets, yet no one has a clue to the process in how they get that info. That info is not transparent at all and hinders the NFBC decision making processes that are involved.

3) On a different, but just as confusing topic, that again, no one but KoFQ can stay on top of..

UTIL position.

Again, I don't keep up with all the threads on this and come from more of a points game background, but why do guys with less than 20 games get marked as UTIL and not the standard roto practice of using the one position they played the most at? This is so damn confusing and what is being accomplished by making it more complex and against the standard?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:23 am

Originally posted by UFS:

The fact that they are so complex in itself makes them hard to keep up with except for KoQ. Even NFBC mgmt. can not keep up at times. The bottom line is that the rules are simple, but only AFTER that first free agency period. Before the season, we're completely at STATS' mercy with their hodgepodge of 25-man/40-man/NRI/retired players.

It seems the only way to completely eliminate confusion would be to move the 1st free agency period until after the first full week of games are played. While nobody wants that, it's actually in the original Rotisserie Baseball rules that the drafts (and obviously the pickups) happen on the weekend after Opening Day. Maybe the Founding Fathers (Waggoner, Patton, etal) knew what they were doing!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:31 am

Originally posted by UFS:

On a different, but just as confusing topic, that again, no one but KoFQ can stay on top of..

UTIL position.

Again, I don't keep up with all the threads on this and come from more of a points game background, but why do guys with less than 20 games get marked as UTIL and not the standard roto practice of using the one position they played the most at? This is so damn confusing and what is being accomplished by making it more complex and against the standard? I think that Greg fancies Utility players as guys who play all over the place. Thus, if someone plays 14 games at SS, 12 games at 2B, 3 at Catcher, and pinch hits 30 times, they are a true Utility player. It's an interesting definition, and one that I've never seen used anywhere else, but what the hey...

FYI: my definition of "Utility" is a wildcard spot in your lineup that can be used by anyone. Utility is not a position.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:46 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Before the season, we're completely at STATS' mercy with their hodgepodge of 25-man/40-man/NRI/retired players. So why not end all of this by making any player drafted eligible to be signed?

And then add any that weren't drafted as they come up to the bigs.

Very simple. Very easy to understand. Very fair. Stats/MLB stuff out of the equation.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:50 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

On a different, but just as confusing topic, that again, no one but KoFQ can stay on top of..

UTIL position.

Again, I don't keep up with all the threads on this and come from more of a points game background, but why do guys with less than 20 games get marked as UTIL and not the standard roto practice of using the one position they played the most at? This is so damn confusing and what is being accomplished by making it more complex and against the standard? I think that Greg fancies Utility players as guys who play all over the place. Thus, if someone plays 14 games at SS, 12 games at 2B, 3 at Catcher, and pinch hits 30 times, they are a true Utility player. It's an interesting definition, and one that I've never seen used anywhere else, but what the hey...

FYI: my definition of "Utility" is a wildcard spot in your lineup that can be used by anyone. Utility is not a position. [/QUOTE]If we have a 10-game rule "in-season", why is there a 20-game rule before the season?

Mark the above at 2b and SS and move on with a 10-game rule. That accurately reflects what the guy did, and util does not.

I agree with your FYI.