Max Scherzer

Quack · Post by **Quack** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:30 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Team Herron:

If Mad Max struggles on Monday, he could very well be sent back down or back to the bullpen. With one ML pitch, they have been toying with putting him in the bullpen for 18 months. Davis gets his spot back if deemed healthy after the cancer treatment, so Micah is th question.

I spent $511 and only got him in the Childs satellite. This is one where I will look back and either be pissed I didnt raise it to $700 to get him, or I will feel incredibly lucky for not spending that much on a man coming out of the pen. I'll be throwing a bet on ARI tomorrow as a "mental" hedge!

If he does poorly...I feel good about losing bid.

If he does well...I win a few bucks, and call it even.

~Lance [/QUOTE]Scherzer is listed at -145 tomorrow vs. Moyer

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:39 pm

Scherzer is not going to close for AZ (at least not for this year).

He has until Davis comes back and then we have to see what happens with Owings and Johnson - if they are still both in the rotation, Max either goes back to the bullpen in long relief or goes back to Tucson - likely the former.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:40 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Scherzer is not going to close for AZ (at least not for this year).

if lyon falls and max is in the bullpen, he's the closer. no questions asked.

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:40 pm

Max Scherzer went for 443 in NY 4. The runner-up bid was 437. I only bid 51 because I suspect Scherzer is being way over-valued in the short-term. I knew I wouldn't get him at that price, but simply wanted to be sure no one stole him too cheaply.

Kevin

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:44 pm

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

He has until Davis comes back and then we have to see what happens with Owings and Johnson - if they are still both in the rotation, Max either goes back to the bullpen in long relief or goes back to Tucson - likely the former. i'd say he goes into the bullpen. that is until lyon dumps or unit gets hurt.

trust me, i wish everyhting was mapped out with him and his role was 100% determined NOW.

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Sun May 04, 2008 2:47 pm

Davis will get his spot back initially, but there is no way he keeps Scherzer out of the rotation after a few starts. I also agree, he's got closer written all over him. Either way, he's gonna be hugely valuable for the rest of the season.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:12 pm

I bid on Max too but not with the expectation of getting him, only making sure he did not go cheap. I am gambling he will not be worth the FAAB spent on him today.

Quack · Post by **Quack** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:21 pm

Originally posted by Plymouth:

I bid on Max too but not with the expectation of getting him, only making sure he did not go cheap. I am gambling he will not be worth the FAAB spent on him today. Glad we in Orlando 3 went on to prove GG wrong

Purple Helmets · Post by **Purple Helmets** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:24 pm

Wow...in my satellite league the winning bid was $600, runner-up bid was $599.

$599 dude has to be beside himself...until Sherzer has a bad outing tomorrow night...then all will be good for him again.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:32 pm

Keep in mind the D-Back front office is from the Red Sox organization, and we all know how they babied Papelbon and Buccholz. They will want to keep his innings in check. If they have a comfortable lead in the NL West, I can see spending the last 2 months in the Joba role.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sun May 04, 2008 3:52 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Keep in mind the D-Back front office is from the Red Sox organization, and we all know how they babied Papelbon and Buccholz. They will want to keep his innings in check. If they have a comfortable lead in the NL West, I can see spending the last 2 months in the Joba role. C'mon dodgers !

TBill7 · Post by **TBill7** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:06 pm

In over 3/4 of the NFBC leagues that bid on Scherzer this week the winning bid exceeded $500. The winning bid probably averaging about $575. Have any of you vets ever seen a player who's ave. winning bid was this high? ( I bid 502 and came in 3rd.)

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KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:15 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Scherzer is not going to close for AZ (at least not for this year).

if lyon falls and max is in the bullpen, he's the closer. no questions asked. [/QUOTE]Tony Pena has pitched well lately after a rocky start; he'd more likely be the next closer if Lyon went down with Scherzer moving to setup (assuming he's pitching well).

Gek - I see you blew most of your FAAB on Max with a 600+. A big moment for your team - ya gotta take risks at times, but I think the odds are against you on this one.

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eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:32 pm

Lyon has been lights out for 3 weeks.He would have to be awful to lose the job.I say he makes thru the year.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:36 pm

If he does like everyone thinks he is going to do, they will find a way to have him in that rotation. If he doesn't, well, I guess it doesn't make a difference. The point is, you can make Joba comparisons all you want and they are very appropriate because teams stick with what works. Joba pitched the 8th inning and was dynamite and they stuck with it. If Scherzer pitches 3 games with a 1.82 ERA and goes 3-0, he is not going to Tucson or the 8th inning or anywhere else. They will find a way to keep him in the rotation.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:40 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Lyon has been lights out for 3 weeks.He would have to be awful to lose the job.I say he makes thru the year. Yeah he's looked good. I stayed away because the risk of either demotion or injury; right now injury looks more likely than demotion.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:40 pm

One more thing: why does everyone assume a rotation will be around forever? I wish someone would dig up the stat on how many years it usually is before any one out of 30 teams uses the same five guys all season. Arizona lost two in one month. They're not going to go two more without needing so much as a spot starter (though I'd love them to since I'm loaded with their guys).

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:45 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

If he does like everyone thinks he is going to do, they will find a way to have him in that rotation. If he doesn't, well, I guess it doesn't make a difference. The point is, you can make Joba comparisons all you want and they are very appropriate because teams stick with what works. Joba pitched the 8th inning and was dynamite and they stuck with it. If Scherzer pitches 3 games with a 1.82 ERA and goes 3-0, he is not going to Tucson or the 8th inning or anywhere else. They will find a way to keep him in the rotation. He may be arriving a year early like Lincecum. If he gets 3 consecutive starts I'd expect one dominating performance, one short performance and one disaster.

3 start prediction:

One Win

5.40/1.40

15 IP, 18 Ks

poopy tooth · Post by **poopy tooth** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:46 pm

As someone who lost the bid by less than 20 after lowering it by about 80 (in Superdraft), I can imagine, Scherzer will be lights out!

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:49 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

]He may be arriving a year early like Lincecum. If he gets 3 consecutive starts I'd expect one dominating performance, one short performance and one disaster.

3 start prediction:

One Win

5.40/1.40

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bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 04, 2008 4:58 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

If he does like everyone thinks he is going to do, they will find a way to have him in that rotation. If he doesn't, well, I guess it doesn't make a difference. The point is, you can make Joba comparisons all you want and they are very appropriate because teams stick with what works. Joba pitched the 8th inning and was dynamite and they stuck with it. If Scherzer pitches 3 games with a 1.82 ERA and goes 3-0, he is not going to Tucson or the 8th inning or anywhere else. They will find a way to keep him in the rotation. He may be arriving a year early like Lincecum. If he gets 3 consecutive starts I'd expect one dominating performance, one short performance and one disaster.

3 start prediction:

One Win

5.40/1.40

15 IP, 18 Ks [/QUOTE]Maybe a small sample issue, but he looks like he has gotten away from his control problems, unlike Lincy in his first year.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:11 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

]He may be arriving a year early like Lincecum. If he gets 3 consecutive starts I'd expect one dominating performance, one short performance and one disaster.

3 start prediction:

One Win

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[/QUOTE]Correct. Apparently I like him about half as much as the winning bidders since I would've had to double my bids to even be in the ballpark.

bjoak - the question is if major lge hitters start sitting on his fastball, will he try nibbling at corners and watch his BBs rise ... we will see. Exciting game to watch tomorrow.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:30 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Scherzer is not going to close for AZ (at least not for this year).

if lyon falls and max is in the bullpen, he's the closer. no questions asked. [/QUOTE]lyon has been rock solid the last 3 weeks. no way owings gets bumped from the rotation. an injury to the unit is best chance for scherzer to stick in the rotation.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:34 pm

Originally posted by Hitless:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Hook:

Scherzer is not going to close for AZ (at least not for this year).

if lyon falls and max is in the bullpen, he's the closer. no questions asked. [/QUOTE]lyon has been rock solid the last 3 weeks. no way owings gets bumped from the rotation. an injury to the unit is best chance for scherzer to stick in the rotation. [/QUOTE]2-3 outings like his last two and Micah could easily be bumped if Max pitches well. They could easily put Davis is the pen also and claim he's just not ready.

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rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Sun May 04, 2008 5:40 pm

Originally posted by ToddZ:

Keep in mind the D-Back front office is from the Red Sox organization, and we all know how they babied Papelbon and Buccholz. They will want to keep his innings in check. If they have a comfortable lead in the NL West, I can see spending the last 2 months in the Joba role. I read tonight the diamondbacks will limit him to 140-150 innings this year...

As for Scherzer, we bid 342 on him and he went for 552 in Chicago league 4 with the runner up bid at 502... our consolation prize was J Clement for 183. I'm not sure how much he went for on average in the other leagues. the runner up bid was 130 for clement.

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