Max Scherzer

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 5:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

He's just saying the marginal benefits add up when you spread them out across the teams. I think at least 1-2 players from this or any other bidding period are likely to break out. In other words, Max probably won't be worth more than $600 a month from now and while the value of most of the others will drop to $1, you will have some moderate to huge gains, making the lot more valuable than $600. i know what's he's saying, but there is only so much help going from a 2008 Kia Rio to a Kia Spectra will provide [/QUOTE]Ha, yeah, but it's a $5 upgrade rather than a $600 one. If you only get 1/120th of the upgrade Scherzer is over a typical #6 or 7 guy, it is the exact same amount of improvement per dollar.

Completely agree on Kershaw, btw. He could be starting tomorrow and I'd think twice about taking him free, let alone putting $600 down on him.

[ May 05, 2008, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:27 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

He's just saying the marginal benefits add up when you spread them out across the teams. I think at least 1-2 players from this or any other bidding period are likely to break out. In other words, Max probably won't be worth more than $600 a month from now and while the value of most of the others will drop to $1, you will have some moderate to huge gains, making the lot more valuable than $600. i know what's he's saying, but there is only so much help going from a 2008 Kia Rio to a Kia Spectra will provide [/QUOTE]Ha, yeah, but it's a $5 upgrade rather than a $600 one. If you only get 1/120th of the upgrade Scherzer is over a typical #6 or 7 guy, it is the exact same amount of improvement per dollar.

Completely agree on Kershaw, btw. He could be starting tomorrow and I'd think twice about taking him free, let alone putting $600 down on him. [/QUOTE]I don’t think there is a logical way to say/explain/view/quantify that you bought a player for $1 and he’s returned $2 in value for a 100% rate of return. What exactly does that mean an extra rbi or run?

I do know there are only a few players that will be available via faab this year that can single-handedly take a team to the next level. Based on #’s to date, scherzer is one of the few on the list. If you watched the game, he made some very good Houston hitters look very foolish. Scherzer passed the numbers test and the eye test. Instead of Scherzer I coulda had a dozen Kuo’s or dave murphy’s. I choose to make my stand now instead of getting “blinded out”. All I can do is trust the numbers and hope it works out. If he doesn’t, then it’s back to the drawing board. Same as with any free agent.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:53 am

Not the same as "any free agent"; there is a big difference between a $500-$600 FA that does not work out and a $1-$75 FA that does not work out.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 6:56 am

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Not the same as "any free agent"; there is a big difference between a $500-$600 FA that does not work out and a $1-$75 FA that does not work out. not to me.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:21 am

if you spend $5 on all your free agents- you pick up 200. $10= 100. 50= 20. realistically- sooner or later you have to spend big- if you don't you will be left with your $. at the end of the year- many teams will be left with much $. many of those because they were afraid to "make a mistake". we all fail- except those that never try.

Heffer · Post by **Heffer** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:37 am

this is on rotoworld .com for all the smart owners who spent most of their money on Max ---- Max Scherzer isn't expected to remain in the Diamondbacks rotation following the return of Doug Davis from cancer surgery.

Scherzer is going to have to pitch pretty well for the D-Backs to permanently give him a cancer patient's job. The most important factor, though, is Scherzer's inning count. He threw just 119 1/3 innings last season, and the team obviously doesn't want him to throw much more than that and risk injury.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:44 am

Hugh heffer - anyone bidding on scherzer couldn't expect him to stay in the rotation all year. I fully expect him to go to the bullpen and keep his innings low. That is, until a SP gig materializes or a closer gig.

If scherzer's role was 100% mapped out, you'd see higher bids than yesterday. Scherzer spending a month in the bullpen was fully incorporated in my bid.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Mon May 05, 2008 7:46 am

I see nothing wrong with Scherzer and hope he works out; I didn't land him in the Main, but I didn't want to spend my money there since I have decent pitching numbers (except for Saves)

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:12 am

Originally posted by Heffer:

this is on rotoworld .com for all the smart owners who spent most of their money on Max ---- Max Scherzer isn't expected to remain in the Diamondbacks rotation following the return of Doug Davis from cancer surgery.

Scherzer is going to have to pitch pretty well for the D-Backs to permanently give him a cancer patient's job. The most important factor, though, is Scherzer's inning count. He threw just 119 1/3 innings last season, and the team obviously doesn't want him to throw much more than that and risk injury. Step up your game Heffer you need to use a little more than a rotoworld blurb for your analyis if you are going to win your 2 "big money" satellite leagues. I love big talking guys in satellite leagues who comment on main event stuff. Sack it up and come play with the big boys or just zip it.

Headhunters said it better than I could- the beauty of it is most of the guys in the main who bid big on Max and won will be fine if he blows up. Because you are right Heff they are "smart". Smart people result to plan b and c. Smart people already have a plan in place if it happens.

I wish Doug Davis all the best like any of us would so I am not in any way trying to make light of his situation. Does it not seem interesting to you all that most people assume it is Unit's rotation spot that he will occcupy for most of the summer not the guy recovering from a life threatening illness.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:20 am

Put it this way, if scherzer is the real deal, I couldn't afford to miss out on him.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:23 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Put it this way, if scherzer is the real deal, I couldn't afford to miss out on him. Where was this comment when you were selling your 275-300 bid?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:34 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

Put it this way, if scherzer is the real deal, I couldn't afford to miss out on him. Where was this comment when you were selling your 275-300 bid? [/QUOTE]Those prices are what I thought he'd go for on average. I did bump them up sunday afternoon. Guess I was a little off.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:37 am

I was prepared to bid in the 400's, but after gallardo got hurt I was thinking his owners would be looking for a quick fix, hence I increased my bid accordingly

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I was prepared to bid in the 400's, but after gallardo got hurt I was thinking his owners would be looking for a quick fix, hence I increased my bid accordingly Do you buy your own $hit that you sell?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon May 05, 2008 8:52 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

we all fail- except those that never try. "If we try to fail and succeed, what have we really done?" Attributed to George Carlin

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:04 am

Just some thoughts on Scherzer-

A lot of talk about Scherzer and a spot in the rotation. He doesen't need a spot in the rotation. Arizona will spot start or use him in the bullpen till the playoffs. Arizona's w-l record will determine how many starts Scherzer gets down the stretch. If I own Scherzer, I am hoping that Arizona doesen't run away with the west. They'll have to be smart in using his 130-150 ip, a few of those will be needed for the playoffs. What a great three-headed monster Webb, Haren, and Scherzer will be in a short series.

A few thoughts on Gekko-

Did MB readers really expect Gordon to post truthfully about the range that Scherzer and others would fall in? He's playing to win and he's playing the game his way and I respect that. The MB's are full of (mis)information, Heck, I'll bet I touted Tulo sometime before the year started. This wasn't intentional misinformation but it turned out to be misinformation nonetheless.

The MB's and RotoWorld are a lot alike. Both have a lot of useful information and both have a lot of throwaway data. It is every players job to discern between the two.

Just my two cents.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:22 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I was prepared to bid in the 400's, but after gallardo got hurt I was thinking his owners would be looking for a quick fix, hence I increased my bid accordingly Do you buy your own $hit that you sell? [/QUOTE]i bought something. hopefully it's not shitt

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:24 am

I'll give Mark one thing...he's smart in how he approaches things...none of us never know whether the info he pushes is his truthful opinion or purposeful misinformation to get a result he's aiming for. Perfect example was yesterdays FAAB. He set it up IMO to show people 3 hot targets when in reality there was one whale and two catfish in the group. I'll bet people bid less on Scherzer because they also bid on Clement or Balentien, whereas if they only bid on Scherzer the results may have been different in who got him. I say this as someone who bid 604 and didn't get him, so even I didn't go high enough to get what appears to be the biggest difference maker for this fantasy season. I'm impressed Mark, well done...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:28 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A few thoughts on Gekko-

Did MB readers really expect Gordon to post truthfully about the range that Scherzer and others would fall in? He's playing to win and he's playing the game his way and I respect that. The MB's are full of (mis)information, Heck, I'll bet I touted Tulo sometime before the year started. This wasn't intentional misinformation but it turned out to be misinformation nonetheless.

The MB's and RotoWorld are a lot alike. Both have a lot of useful information and both have a lot of throwaway data. It is every players job to discern between the two.

Just my two cents. i started off my scherzer bid in the 400's. researched him a lot and his situation. i was going back and forth on him quite a bit. logic indicates that scherzer won't get 20 starts this year and may not get any "meaningful" role for most of the season. as a man of logic, it took me a while to get over that specific point.

i decided to first bump my bid when my SP began to shitt the bed this weekend and when gallardo went down. when my SP continued to stain the bed on sunday, i put in my maximum bid. is everyone happy now. do i need to give my bid/thought process for all my free agents going forward?

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:30 am

Originally posted by la Jolla:

I'll give Mark one thing...he's smart in how he approaches things...none of us never know whether the info he pushes is his truthful opinion or purposeful misinformation to get a result he's aiming for. Perfect example was yesterdays FAAB. He set it up IMO to show people 3 hot targets when in reality there was one whale and two catfish in the group. I'll bet people bid less on Scherzer because they also bid on Clement or Balentien, whereas if they only bid on Scherzer the results may have been different in who got him. I say this as someone who bid 604 and didn't get him, so even I didn't go high enough to get what appears to be the biggest difference maker for this fantasy season. I'm impressed Mark, well done...

It appears that you assume that of the 40% of the NFBC participants who read the message board, some of those people actually believe something that GG says is true. You give him way too much credit.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:33 am

Originally posted by la Jolla:

I'll give Mark one thing...he's smart in how he approaches things...none of us never know whether the info he pushes is his truthful opinion or purposeful misinformation to get a result he's aiming for. Perfect example was yesterdays FAAB. He set it up IMO to show people 3 hot targets when in reality there was one whale and two catfish in the group. I'll bet people bid less on Scherzer because they also bid on Clement or Balentien, whereas if they only bid on Scherzer the results may have been different in who got him. I say this as someone who bid 604 and didn't get him, so even I didn't go high enough to get what appears to be the biggest difference maker for this fantasy season. I'm impressed Mark, well done...

scott - did you get him on any of your teams?

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:38 am

I appreciate the different methods he takes to do things is all...look at the Orlando lgs. he posts that someone will win Scherzer for 5 bucks and he ends up going for 762/772 in those lgs....two of the highest bids in the main event.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:39 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Heffer:

this is on rotoworld .com for all the smart owners who spent most of their money on Max ---- Max Scherzer isn't expected to remain in the Diamondbacks rotation following the return of Doug Davis from cancer surgery.

Scherzer is going to have to pitch pretty well for the D-Backs to permanently give him a cancer patient's job. The most important factor, though, is Scherzer's inning count. He threw just 119 1/3 innings last season, and the team obviously doesn't want him to throw much more than that and risk injury. Step up your game Heffer you need to use a little more than a rotoworld blurb for your analyis if you are going to win your 2 "big money" satellite leagues. I love big talking guys in satellite leagues who comment on main event stuff. Sack it up and come play with the big boys or just zip it.

Headhunters said it better than I could- the beauty of it is most of the guys in the main who bid big on Max and won will be fine if he blows up. Because you are right Heff they are "smart". Smart people result to plan b and c. Smart people already have a plan in place if it happens.

I wish Doug Davis all the best like any of us would so I am not in any way trying to make light of his situation. Does it not seem interesting to you all that most people assume it is Unit's rotation spot that he will occcupy for most of the summer not the guy recovering from a life threatening illness. [/QUOTE]"zip it"

Nice roll, Chesty...your team has been moving up the ranks like a rockit!

~Lance

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:44 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by headhunters:

we all fail- except those that never try. "If we try to fail and succeed, what have we really done?" Attributed to George Carlin

[/QUOTE]If you choose not to decide.You still have made a choice.Geddy Lee

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:48 am

Originally posted by la Jolla:

I appreciate the different methods he takes to do things is all...look at the Orlando lgs. he posts that someone will win Scherzer for 5 bucks and he ends up going for 762/772 in those lgs....two of the highest bids in the main event. Too bad we couldn't have fun with matt berry