Max Scherzer

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:14 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

rockit - I think you're getting some misinformation on Chest (or making it up). [/QB]"misinformation"....that is your opinion.

"making it up"....that is just stupid.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:15 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

i'm drinking the scherzer kool-aid too as i picked him up in two leagues. HQ has his projections for the remainder of 2008 as follows.

94 IP

5 W

0 S

84 K

5.07 ERA

1.59 WHIP

8.0 DOM

1.7 CMD

0.5 HR/9

i'm a huge fan of HQ, but in this case, i hope they're a little off. Wow, so his K/9 rate (that's what non-Shandler cronies refer to DUM, I mean DOM, as) is 8 and his BB/9 is 1.7 while he has a HR/9 (What, no cute nickname? How about MOO for moon shots?) of .5. How does that equate to the WHIP and ERA #'s as listed? Considering that Shandler told me to my face that "defense doesn't affect pitchers in fantasy" and Scherzer wouldn't lose anything for Arizona's D anyway, what exactly is Scherzer supposed to be losing credit for? [/QUOTE]can't answer your ?? there but FYI..CMD is K/BB, not BB/9

[ May 05, 2008, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: cleaver beavers ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:17 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

i'm drinking the scherzer kool-aid too as i picked him up in two leagues. HQ has his projections for the remainder of 2008 as follows.

94 IP

5 W

0 S

84 K

5.07 ERA

1.59 WHIP

8.0 DOM

1.7 CMD

0.5 HR/9

i'm a huge fan of HQ, but in this case, i hope they're a little off. Wow, so his K/9 rate (that's what non-Shandler cronies refer to DUM, I mean DOM, as) is 8 and his BB/9 is 1.7 while he has a HR/9 (What, no cute nickname? How about MOO for moon shots?) of .5. How does that equate to the WHIP and ERA #'s as listed? Considering that Shandler told me to my face that "defense doesn't affect pitchers in fantasy" and Scherzer wouldn't lose anything for Arizona's D anyway, what exactly is Scherzer supposed to be losing credit for? [/QUOTE]Funny stuff, especially the MOO.

I remember when MAD Magazine used to (maybe they still do) sell pictures of Alfred E. Newman. The tagline was "suitable for framing or wrapping fish." So Brian, tell us all, for what is your BF2008 suitable?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:19 pm

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

rockit - I think you're getting some misinformation on Chest (or making it up). "misinformation"....that is your opinion.

"making it up"....that is just stupid. [/QB][/QUOTE]I said in my opinion it was one or other, so how can it be stupid? That's like me saying "the light is either on or off", and you calling me stupid. Now that, is stupid.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:21 pm

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

i'm drinking the scherzer kool-aid too as i picked him up in two leagues. HQ has his projections for the remainder of 2008 as follows.

94 IP

5 W

0 S

84 K

5.07 ERA

1.59 WHIP

8.0 DOM

1.7 CMD

0.5 HR/9

i'm a huge fan of HQ, but in this case, i hope they're a little off. Wow, so his K/9 rate (that's what non-Shandler cronies refer to DUM, I mean DOM, as) is 8 and his BB/9 is 1.7 while he has a HR/9 (What, no cute nickname? How about MOO for moon shots?) of .5. How does that equate to the WHIP and ERA #'s as listed? Considering that Shandler told me to my face that "defense doesn't affect pitchers in fantasy" and Scherzer wouldn't lose anything for Arizona's D anyway, what exactly is Scherzer supposed to be losing credit for? [/QUOTE]can't answer your ?? there but FYI..CMD is K/BB, not BB/9

[/QUOTE]See how confusing that stuff can get? Anyone know what they have his BB/9 down as. I suppose I'd do the math if I wasn't so tired.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:27 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

i'm drinking the scherzer kool-aid too as i picked him up in two leagues. HQ has his projections for the remainder of 2008 as follows.

94 IP

5 W

0 S

84 K

5.07 ERA

1.59 WHIP

8.0 DOM

1.7 CMD

0.5 HR/9

i'm a huge fan of HQ, but in this case, i hope they're a little off. Wow, so his K/9 rate (that's what non-Shandler cronies refer to DUM, I mean DOM, as) is 8 and his BB/9 is 1.7 while he has a HR/9 (What, no cute nickname? How about MOO for moon shots?) of .5. How does that equate to the WHIP and ERA #'s as listed? Considering that Shandler told me to my face that "defense doesn't affect pitchers in fantasy" and Scherzer wouldn't lose anything for Arizona's D anyway, what exactly is Scherzer supposed to be losing credit for? [/QUOTE]can't answer your ?? there but FYI..CMD is K/BB, not BB/9

[/QUOTE]See how confusing that stuff can get? Anyone know what they have his BB/9 down as. I suppose I'd do the math if I wasn't so tired. [/QUOTE]4.7/9

[ May 05, 2008, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: cleaver beavers ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:29 pm

Very typically any of the projection sites will dilute the value of good young players because they are taking into account the probabilities of all young players, which isn't good.

That drags down the most probable outcome for any such pithcher. In other words, take the best 5 young pitchers in any season and those stats would consistnently beat HQ's (or anyone else's) projection for their top 5 rated young pitchers.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:30 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

i'm drinking the scherzer kool-aid too as i picked him up in two leagues. HQ has his projections for the remainder of 2008 as follows.

94 IP

5 W

0 S

84 K

5.07 ERA

1.59 WHIP

8.0 DOM

1.7 CMD

0.5 HR/9

i'm a huge fan of HQ, but in this case, i hope they're a little off. Wow, so his K/9 rate (that's what non-Shandler cronies refer to DUM, I mean DOM, as) is 8 and his BB/9 is 1.7 while he has a HR/9 (What, no cute nickname? How about MOO for moon shots?) of .5. How does that equate to the WHIP and ERA #'s as listed? Considering that Shandler told me to my face that "defense doesn't affect pitchers in fantasy" and Scherzer wouldn't lose anything for Arizona's D anyway, what exactly is Scherzer supposed to be losing credit for? [/QUOTE]Funny stuff, especially the MOO.

I remember when MAD Magazine used to (maybe they still do) sell pictures of Alfred E. Newman. The tagline was "suitable for framing or wrapping fish." So Brian, tell us all, for what is your BF2008 suitable?

[/QUOTE]No, I read it, like I read everything. I have found some tremendous articles in there and I think XBA can be a useful tool and the one from their projections I am most likely to use for something. The acronym-abbreviations irk me but Shandler actually showed up on these boards one time to give me a more or less suitable answer on why he does that so I am just being funny and/or complaining which is my nature.

Every year I go back and forth on whether to subscribe to HQ and never do. I feel like they want an awful lot for a product that won't be much use to me. Anyone want to chime in on what kind of useful in-season stuff they have on there. That is to say: what tools do you use on a weekly basis?

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:32 pm

Thanks for the kind words Brian and Kevin. You both will avoid me doing the splash on you and requesting a 5 count. Kevin look that up on KKB's web site.

Brian- funny you mention that picture. Obviously I am not the Nate Ravitz of the nfbc (my wife told me Nate was cute) but yeah that is a terrible picture.

Rocket- you don't get it do ya- we mix it up in here pretty good but when you start insinuating people's wives are of low moral character then you just cross a line. Your goal is to make me angry or hurt my feelings- but in the end you just lose whatever shred of credibility you have.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:32 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Very typically any of the projection sites will dilute the value of good young players because they are taking into account the probabilities of all young players, which isn't good.

That drags down the most probable outcome for any such pithcher. In other words, take the best 5 young pitchers in any season and those stats would consistnently beat HQ's (or anyone else's) projection for their top 5 rated young pitchers. i guess that just goes to say it's hard to predict pitching when there's no MLB history.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:33 pm

4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:33 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him. [/QUOTE]agree

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:37 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him. [/QUOTE]But will he maintain that control when he finds major lgrs can hit his fastball better than minor lgrs, especially when they have a chance to prep for him (unlike his relief outing)?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:40 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him. [/QUOTE]But will he maintain that control when he finds major lgrs can hit his fastball better than minor lgrs, especially when they have a chance to prep for him (unlike his relief outing)? [/QUOTE]that's the $498 question for me!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:40 pm

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Very typically any of the projection sites will dilute the value of good young players because they are taking into account the probabilities of all young players, which isn't good.

That drags down the most probable outcome for any such pithcher. In other words, take the best 5 young pitchers in any season and those stats would consistnently beat HQ's (or anyone else's) projection for their top 5 rated young pitchers. i guess that just goes to say it's hard to predict pitching when there's no MLB history. [/QUOTE]I dunno. I'd argue that the best 5 pitchers in all bb will have lower ERA's than their projected counterparts. It's because when you have this many players, you're going to have a bunch of outliers who are way better than they should be. I do notice projection systems regressing to the mean more with younger pitchers. I agree that it is harder to figure how minor league peripherals will translate to the majors. Anyone know where you can get minor league GB/FB ratios? That wouldn't hurt.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:42 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him. [/QUOTE]But will he maintain that control when he finds major lgrs can hit his fastball better than minor lgrs, especially when they have a chance to prep for him (unlike his relief outing)? [/QUOTE]I think he has the chance to not only be ok in whip but good in it. I posted in on another thread all my research and the small sample size I have seen says he is a guy who has learned he is one of the few pitchers who can pitch to the center of the plate. His movement takes care of it. No one I respect their baseball knowledge more than Shawn- but his statement that he only saw fastballs is one I disagree with. His changeup was in the mid to high 80's but he got 2 nasty swing and misses on it- one from Berkman.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:45 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Rocket- you don't get it do ya- we mix it up in here pretty good but when you start insinuating people's wives are of low moral character then you just cross a line. Your goal is to make me angry or hurt my feelings- but in the end you just lose whatever shred of credibility you have. YOU said you "pulled it off", and admitted yourself that yer an ugly sob, so I guess you must have one charming personality (and $$$).

I don't care if yer angry and my credibility suffers nothing from what you say.

By the way, thought you hadda run over an hour ago.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:49 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:4.7/9Everything is illuminated. Still, you have to think they're not factoring in his success with control so far this year. If I thought he'd still walk that many I wouldn't have much interest in him. [/QUOTE]But will he maintain that control when he finds major lgrs can hit his fastball better than minor lgrs, especially when they have a chance to prep for him (unlike his relief outing)? [/QUOTE]That's what that la whatever guy wasn't getting earlier. Those guys didn't prep for him; they prepped for Gonzalez whom they lit up. They probably don't have much good tape on him either. Nevertheless, almost everyone knows that he's not going to have that success forever or he'd be the best major leaguer ever. His walks in the minors went way down this year is the main thing and I expect at least some continuation of that against better hitters. That is to say that his rate was so bad before that he seemed to have no control. It seems to be there now, whether or not he's using it.

Also, you can say he only has one pitch but he obviously has at least two, maybe one *plus* pitch but that is a matter of opinion and it is also all that Brandon Webb has.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon May 05, 2008 12:57 pm

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Rocket- you don't get it do ya- we mix it up in here pretty good but when you start insinuating people's wives are of low moral character then you just cross a line. Your goal is to make me angry or hurt my feelings- but in the end you just lose whatever shred of credibility you have. YOU said you "pulled it off", and admitted yourself that yer an ugly sob, so I guess you must have one charming personality (and $$$).

I don't care if yer angry and my credibility suffers nothing from what you say.

By the way, thought you hadda run over an hour ago. [/QUOTE]Um, actually, I didn't care about your little spat until you said that and started trying to pick a fight with Kevin for no reason. It was at about that point that I dismissed you as the trash on this board. If you're going to flame someone on here do it by out-talking them on baseball or by outplaying them in the game. Say what you want about me, but I never called anyone stupid or made distasteful comments about their wives. It's just not cool.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:00 pm

Last thing I will say (unless provoked again) for now, is that Bundy Jr, you sent me an insulting pm then did not allow me to respond.

Chicken$hit.

Had you been open to my response it is possible that we could've buried the hatchet, or at least tried...which is preferable to the current back & forth going on now.

I really do gotta run...it's suppertime in Tucson.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:06 pm

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

Last thing I will say (unless provoked again) for now, is that Bundy Jr, you sent me an insulting pm then did not allow me to respond.

Chicken$hit.

Had you been open to my response it is possible that we could've buried the hatchet, or at least tried...which is preferable to the current back & forth going on now.

I really do gotta run...it's suppertime in Tucson. Paging bitter Mr Bitter table for one-

I don't bury the hatchet with people I think are idiots- short list but you are on it. My little girl has decided sleeping through the night is for suckers and I hear her. Really have to run...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon May 05, 2008 1:20 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

Last thing I will say (unless provoked again) for now, is that Bundy Jr, you sent me an insulting pm then did not allow me to respond.

Chicken$hit.

Had you been open to my response it is possible that we could've buried the hatchet, or at least tried...which is preferable to the current back & forth going on now.

I really do gotta run...it's suppertime in Tucson. Paging bitter Mr Bitter table for one-

I don't bury the hatchet with people I think are idiots- short list but you are on it. My little girl has decided sleeping through the night is for suckers and I hear her. Really have to run... [/QUOTE]Okay girls, let's end it at this last post. This was a good thread until it got hijacked by personal insults. PM each other if you have things to say. Everyone's at fault and now nobody cares.

Carry on with the Scherzer fun, especially once the game starts, but keep the spats off this thread going forward please. Thanks.

Heffer · Post by **Heffer** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:08 pm

Why don't YOU zip it big mouth? This is the NFBC message board, not the main event message board. Scherzer's impact is big news to all NFBC participants, not just those in the main.

I'd venture a guess that many of the satellite players that you insult as if they're opinions aren't worth anything know more about baseball than you ever will...perhaps they just don't have $1300 as disposable income to do the main.

Thanks I couldn't have said it better!!!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:11 pm

Tonight's Lineup:

Philadelphia

1.Victorino, CF

2.Bruntlett, SS

3.Utley, 2B

4.Howard, 1B

5.Burrell, LF

6.Jenkins, RF

7.Feliz, 3B

8.Ruiz, C

9.Moyer, P

Arizona

1 through 8.Who cares?

9.Scherzer, P

Any last minute Scherzer predictions? I'll go with:

7 IP

4 H

1 R/ER

2 BB

9 SO

0 HR

0.0 MOO!!!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon May 05, 2008 2:20 pm

5 IP

4 H

3 R/ER

3 BB

8 SO

1 HR

I think Burrell takes him deep with a 2- or 3-run HR. Moyer strikes out twice.

50 paypals says I'm closer on the 5 categories, anyone feel like rolling the dice tonight?

[ May 05, 2008, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]