Max Scherzer

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 pm

Originally posted by Fudd:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Don't worry everyone will want him next year. What do you think 5th round pick? a round better than lincecum's 08 ADP [/QUOTE]If he gets bombed out, he'd make a better 15th rounder. If he pitches well, be my guest at the 5th round. I'll take my chances at dirtier bums that nobody will want later. Last thing you need is that guy as your ace for next year. See Philip Hughes and Ian Kennedy for details. While your at it, see how that dope Troy Tootalewski is doing after going 4 rounds early this year? He'll make a nice 5th or 6th rounder next year.

FUDD [/QUOTE]FUDD, people DO want those dirty bums that's the thing. They won't be sitting there ripe for the picking when you're good and ready. Which diry bums ?? For every C.Lee there's an Anthony Reyes. E.Santana ? a Doug Davis. R.Wolf ? a Nate Robertson - it's easy to pick the gems out now

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Mon May 12, 2008 4:34 pm

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Fudd:

Point well taken Eddie G, can't take the FAAB with you I guess? I think it's better to hold a little back , so you can have first shot at the slim pickens when you really need it.

It's more the "negative" stats these "Never Has beens" can do to you. Take for example this Jeff Clement Butt Pirate. If you were lucky enough to get him for 30% of your budget last week, you were the proud owner of a 4-32...WITH NOTHING.

These stats will kill you and someone was thinking that in another 6 weeks he can play him at catcher...YAAHHHH HOOOO!!!!!. I'd rather have a bum with 5 ab's a week or better yet no ab that won't do damage. It will take weeks to undo that predicted mess from Clement.

Clement has hit at pretty much every level and he will hit at some point probably, but last I checked this isn't a keeper league your'e playing?

FUDD Most if not all max driven bids are need based. You think the Clement bidders have a choice ? They're staring at 25 hitting points and have Kendall and Posada at C. Their 5th OF and UTIL platoon. They've just smoked 5 weeks of 5 ab a week bums.

You roll the die on a 24yo with coming off a .370 AAA start with a wide open oppor for 5 starts a week until he's 35. AND possible C eligibility to boot. NO ONE can predict success or failure. But he's the type of guy you throw your $ at [/QUOTE]Exactly...our 2nd catcher in the main was M Barrett. We've caught a break and have had Ianetta for the last month which has worked out well but we still paid $150 for Clement with the hope he will be catcher eligible by the all star break and hit 275 with 10 HRs and 40rbis during the 2nd half of the year. I think it's worth rolling the dice for him (especially if Ianetta comes back down to earth) because he'll give us likely 5 more HRs and 20 more rbis than any other catcher we would've had. IMO, that's worth a lot in the standings if it pans out. Big IF.

Also, I've never been high enough in the standings to know but I think some of the guys who bid the farm for Scherzer are hoping he's the difference in finishing 1st instead of 3rd in their league or top 10 overall instead of top 50 overall. I don't think he will be the difference maker others do, but if we all viewed each player the same, then fantasy baseball wouldn't be any fun.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:49 am

i remortgaged the farm for scherzer (in 2 lges) and clement (in 1 lge). if they don't pan out, at least i went down swinging.

Parnelli · Post by **Parnelli** » Thu May 29, 2008 1:02 am

What would Max go for today??? I still like him at $450 to $530.....Am i crazy...lol

I paid $513.

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:30 am

Mad Max back to the minors...

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:13 am

personally, i am not hugely dissappointed. there will be an injury in that rotation and he will be back up in hopefully a starting role. this happens alot they bring the kid up give him a taste and send him back down. in this case, probably to work on a 3rd or 4th pitch. in the last few weeks he has only logged about 8ip so starting in jul aug sept is a likely scenerio. i doubt you will see him dropped anywhere and us sherzer fans hope he comes back improved and in a better role...til then....

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:46 am

win some, lose some. the game goes on

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:46 am

unfortunately he's being cut this week.

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eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:39 am

I agree with Roundtrippers he will be up again.Having been up earlier i the year will only help.I have him in two leagues and wont be cutting him, the upside is two big if he ever gets a stating gig.If you need k's and win's it will be tough to let him go.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:58 am

If an owner doesn't have any usable players on his bench (due to holding injured and minor leaguers), he has no other choice.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:21 am

with the money spent the owner does have a choice, cut someone else!!...i predict less than 3 cuts, including gekkos... and thats to be seen!!! i am sure by tomorrow there will be some spin as to why he didnt cut him loose!!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:28 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

If an owner doesn't have any usable players on his bench (due to holding injured and minor leaguers), he has no other choice. You are correct. It doesn't look like you have the luxury to wait Scherzer out. In a month Wain and Liriano will be back helping you. I so don't want to carry him but I don't have the pitching depth you do. So I wait and hope Unit is Unix soon.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:18 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

If an owner doesn't have any usable players on his bench (due to holding injured and minor leaguers), he has no other choice. You are correct. It doesn't look like you have the luxury to wait Scherzer out. In a month Wain and Liriano will be back helping you. I so don't want to carry him but I don't have the pitching depth you do. So I wait and hope Unit is Unix soon. [/QUOTE]I do have quite the waiting line at the dr office AND preschool. Only so long u can continue in a fight without reloading your ammo.

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:12 pm

who dropped him today?

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:41 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

who dropped him today? He didn't get dumped in my leagues.

Did you dump him???

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:00 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

who dropped him today? He didn't get dumped in my leagues.

Did you dump him??? [/QUOTE]maybe next week. i saw a blurb on rotodumper saying that owings could be hurt and scherzer could replace him soon. anyone else speculate on rotodumper

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 3:13 pm

Owings has been horrid of late...pretty good chance between him or Randy or another will be demoted/hurt...and open up a slot for Max.

~Lance

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:07 pm

what in the hell happened to scherzer. he got absolutely destroyed in his minor league game yesterday. wasn't very pretty. one more of those shellings and he won't even be next in line a callup.

he is officially on my cut watch for this week.

simply amazing. he had the absolute best stats from a triple A-er i've seen, maybe ever. i'm fortunate to get him and he IMMEDIATELY turns into a lump of coal.

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KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:40 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

what in the hell happened to scherzer. he got absolutely destroyed in his minor league game yesterday. wasn't very pretty. one more of those shellings and he won't even be next in line a callup.

he is officially on my cut watch for this week.

simply amazing. he had the absolute best stats from a triple A-er i've seen, maybe ever. i'm fortunate to get him and he IMMEDIATELY turns into a lump of coal.

Word was he didn't have good enough command yet of his secondary pitches, which scared me off a high bid. Against minor lgrs he didn't need them because his fastball was good enough. Now that he knows what he needs to do, maybe next year he'll be ready.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:42 pm

I know it's not a consolation...but 5 ER is still only 5 ER.

He seems to be trying to break a K-rate record!

~Lance

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:50 pm

After being in the majors for the last 4 week's then getting sent down for no good reason he probably just wasnt focused.Plus he's been in the bullpen latley and hasnt had a start for a while.I too think he will be up again for all the reason's Sir Lance said.Owings has been brutal of late and cant think of anyone pitching him in fantasy, another beating or two and Max will take his spot.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:03 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Word was he didn't have good enough command yet of his secondary pitches, which scared me off a high bid. Against minor lgrs he didn't need them because his fastball was good enough. Now that he knows what he needs to do, maybe next year he'll be ready. Let's put it this way, scherzer apparently fooled some of the best minds in the nfbc. Unbelievable.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 12:52 am

My concern was that it wasn't even a start in the minors, he came in relief. Hopefully the D'bags will get him starting again. His innings are still low, so a big 2nd half contribution is still expected. Hold tight.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:39 am

we haven't seen the last of max this year. something will happen to a d'back starter and he'll be back up. i'm feel they've sent him down to get him some innings and prepared for his next callup. time will tell, HOPEFULLY.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:36 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

My concern was that it wasn't even a start in the minors, he came in relief. Hopefully the D'bags will get him starting again. His innings are still low, so a big 2nd half contribution is still expected. Hold tight. yes, they are stretching him out of 3 or 4 outings.