fantasyland I think not!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:46 am

OK. I’m breaking my silence! Ron Shandler is selling HQ and will become a writer.

One of his last acts as owner of HQ was the overseeing of Sam Walker’s book turn to movie Fantasyland. He had direct involvement in picking the Sam Walker replacement.

No shock that he came from within HQ writers. To date Walker is in first , the replacement is in 8th. What’s this have to with the NFBC? Well everything and nothing.

The NFBC is open to anyone. If your good enough and pay the fee you can compete.

The rules are tougher no trading etc. But the NFBC still draws some of the best in fantasy baseball. The likes of “Tout Wars” is that it’s not open to everyone. So the best might not be invited. Ron Shandler decides who’s invited. It’s not based on bringing the best together but it’s based on making a profit. So whenever this so called movie about fantasy baseball comes out. Remember its not about the best players its about Ron’s players.

:rolleyes:

RON@HQ · Post by **RON@HQ** » Wed May 28, 2008 8:40 am

Three points...

1. I am not just a writer at HQ, I am still running the site. Get your facts straight.

2. I had absolutely no involvement in Jed's selection. I was completely outside the process other than offering to post the casting call on my site. The fact that Jed is an HQ subscriber is solely a product of the producers thinking he was the best qualified. Get your facts straight.

3. For what it's worth, the only real impact of the sale of my business on the NFBC is that now I am far less reluctant to publicly call you an idiot.

Ron

[ May 28, 2008, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: RON@HQ ]

Windy City Hustler · Post by **Windy City Hustler** » Wed May 28, 2008 8:53 am

All of that analysis from Ron and you didn't even have to be a subsciber to Baseball HQ.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed May 28, 2008 8:54 am

High heat, gas and cheese = a new dish, smoked WallaWalla !

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Wed May 28, 2008 10:27 am

Originally posted by RON@HQ:

Three points...

1. I am not just a writer at HQ, I am still running the site. Get your facts straight.

2. I had absolutely no involvement in Jed's selection. I was completely outside the process other than offering to post the casting call on my site. The fact that Jed is an HQ subscriber is solely a product of the producers thinking he was the best qualified. Get your facts straight.

3. For what it's worth, the only real impact of the sale of my business on the NFBC is that now I am far less reluctant to publicly call you an idiot.

Ron I think the only missing on that was the "Sincerely," in front of your signature, LOL Well done!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed May 28, 2008 3:52 pm

I sure hope the ducking and hiding from playing vs. the big boys in the NFBC stops now.

There is a learning curve, Ronny...best to start the learning ASAP!

Any NFBC Main Event player who gives a lick of respect to Tout Wars is the real idiot.

~Lance

[ May 28, 2008, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Wed May 28, 2008 6:54 pm

For what it's worth. I was involved in the Fantasyland project before they selected Jed. And during the entire process I never had to interview with Ron, nor was he ever mentioned by the producers as having anything to do with whom they ended up choosing. I don't think it's right to attack the guy for the wrong reasons.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Wed May 28, 2008 7:14 pm

I played in Tout Wars in 2006 and 2007 and Ron did not invite me. An NFBC player was actually in charge of that....

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu May 29, 2008 1:07 am

For the record, Tout Wars is administered by an LLC that is currently composed of Lawr Michaels (CREATiVESPORTS.com), Rob Leibowitz (FantasyBasball.com) and Ron Shandler (BaseballHQ.com).

League membership is decided by one's peers.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu May 29, 2008 2:43 am

Ron,

Just wondering how many of these Tout War players have won in the NFBC?

I’ve seen a few of the current and former Tout War players make statements in your behalf. I don’t see a NFBC winner among them. You pick any NFBC league and I’d bet at least half are better then those in Tout Wars. I know for a fact that any of the Auction Leagues would smoke them!

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Thu May 29, 2008 3:23 am

Originally posted by RON@HQ:

3. ....now I am far less reluctant to publicly call you an idiot.

Ron Clearly, Ron has his facts straight.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu May 29, 2008 4:14 am

What is the premise of tout wars supposed to be? Is it just an 'industry' competition? Or is it supposed to be a competition among the best in fantasy baseball? It made sense to just invite industry guys at its inception because there was no way to find the best. I think it is a little different now. Can any of the tout wars guys claim that they have a better record than Shawn Childs at this point in any way? I can't imagine that would be a defensible position for anyone from Shandler on down.

It's time for the best guys from here to go there. It's time for the best from there to stop making excuses and show up here.

[ May 29, 2008, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

RON@HQ · Post by **RON@HQ** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:30 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Ron,

Just wondering how many of these Tout War players have won in the NFBC?

I’ve seen a few of the current and former Tout War players make statements in your behalf. I don’t see a NFBC winner among them. You pick any NFBC league and I’d bet at least half are better then those in Tout Wars. I know for a fact that any of the Auction Leagues would smoke them!

Nice try. I am not going to bite on a new argument until you respond to your original argument. This thread was NOT about a comparison between the NFBC and Tout Wars. Your opening salvo was an accusation that I control who gets into Tout Wars and deliberately choose lesser competition. You had no facts to back that up. Respond to THAT. Something along the lines of, "Ron, I apologize for posting inflammatory messages that attack your character and credibility. I do it because I will never let the facts get in the way of a good argument." will suffice.

At minimum, respond to the accusation you made in your original post. I'm willing to bet you can't even do that. If you want me to even consider participating in the NFBC at any point in the future, I want to see groveling. SINCERE groveling, not just play-acting for the masses. If I don't feel the sincerity, deal's off.

Sincerely,

Ron

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:39 am

way to go ron. these boards tend to be written case studies for how the ad hominem defense can be successfully used time and time again.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu May 29, 2008 5:45 am

Originally posted by RON@HQ:

quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Ron,

Just wondering how many of these Tout War players have won in the NFBC?

I’ve seen a few of the current and former Tout War players make statements in your behalf. I don’t see a NFBC winner among them. You pick any NFBC league and I’d bet at least half are better then those in Tout Wars. I know for a fact that any of the Auction Leagues would smoke them!

Nice try. I am not going to bite on a new argument until you respond to your original argument. This thread was NOT about a comparison between the NFBC and Tout Wars. Your opening salvo was an accusation that I control who gets into Tout Wars and deliberately choose lesser competition. You had no facts to back that up. Respond to THAT. Something along the lines of, "Ron, I apologize for posting inflammatory messages that attack your character and credibility. I do it because I will never let the facts get in the way of a good argument." will suffice.

At minimum, respond to the accusation you made in your original post. I'm willing to bet you can't even do that. If you want me to even consider participating in the NFBC at any point in the future, I want to see groveling. SINCERE groveling, not just play-acting for the masses. If I don't feel the sincerity, deal's off.

Sincerely,

Ron [/QUOTE]

I like this new Ronny!

A lot!

~Lance

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:06 am

There is a NFBC player that has won the Mixed Tout Wars three years straight, an auction league.

He is better than Shawn at that format. Shawn is better than him at this format.

Since Ron had made it OK to use the word, why do you idiots continue to compare the two? It's been explained over and over that they are vastly different on several levels. (snake vs auction, trading vs none, etc..)

It took me all of three seconds to check the FAQ on Tout Wars site and see the first thing listed as to why it was started. LOL.

Wall-E... I love ya bud, fun to hang out with, but you followed your first non-factual post with another effort just like it.

[ May 29, 2008, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:14 am

Come to think of it...just break down the name itself...TOUT WARS!

This has zero to do with quality of player...it's all about promotion.

Kind of like a sportsbetting TOUT...all they do is try and sell you on their opinions...yet if they had to wager with their opinions...they'd be broke!

Definitions of TOUT...

: to solicit, peddle, or persuade importunately

: to make much of : promote, talk up

intransitive verb

: to solicit patronage

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:21 am

Yes Lance,

Ron started Tout Wars to further promote the hobby, because at the time of its inception, there was a huge need for it.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:22 am

sbm- you are catching on. i don't think any of them ever pretended t.w's was anything other than what they said it was. then people get on a friggen message board and call the guy out. get a life.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:24 am

I don't hear you guys 'grovelling' enough yet. Wow, way to treat a fan base.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:31 am

Ronny is a smart guy...I'm sure he knows by now I like to ruffle feathers now and again.

He's a worthy opponent, and I feel he will be entering the NFBC main next season. (just a gut feeling).

Lawr is a top notch class act.

~Lance

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:31 am

I'm sure the HQ fan base loved it.

It's the non-HQ fan base having all the problems. LOL.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:36 am

Originally posted by UFS:

I'm sure the HQ fan base loved it.

It's the non-HQ fan base having all the problems. LOL. The response was to Walla, but saying he wants to hear grovelling before entering seems directed at anyone who would like to see him in the contest.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:37 am

Ron, I didn’t say you tried to get lesser players. I said you got players you wanted.

If there not up to par it’s not my fault. Than you state that I have to bow to you to even to consider to play in the NFBC? There are 390 players in the NFBC this year. You latch on to me as an excuse to avoid the top players. No I’m not kissing your ass. I’ve already played with the best. And you aren’t it!

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu May 29, 2008 6:40 am

If Walla can come out of retirement for a post so can I...

I think the thing that Walla seems to dislike about Ron so much is the notion that Ron thinks he is better than us. Two thoughts on that: 1) Show me one time he has given that indication other than the post in 2004 indicating he thought people would be better prepared. 2) I spent some time with Ron at the 2006 main event in Tampa- did not come across in the least bit like he had no respect for the level of competition in the NFBC.

Tout versus NFBC who cares they are two different animals. If you want to argue that the tout wars is for the most elite players- I will simply present the evidence that Zaleski has played there more than once and the case is closed.

Ron has nothing to gain by playing the nfbc. Chances are he will not finish in the top 75 because the great majority of great baseball minds do not year in and year out. If he wins then he was expected to and will get the show me you can do it twice in a row by the Walla Walla crowd.

I do have a simple question for Ron though- who do you think should be held in higher regard in industry circles a guy who constantly does well in the tout wars environment or a guy like Shawn Childs who has dominated the nfbc and won large amounts doing it. Gun to your head saying if you say both you have to have a good long dinner with Walla Walla which he will order soup and say it does not count as a dinner- and want another.