Ideas For 2009 NFBC

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:33 pm

Even with two live events on Saturday, I'd still like to see an online championship.

$300 would be a good entry level, where I think you introduce many new players to the NFBC/NBC games. ($300 ia actually a key number in consumer electronics for reaching the mass market - getting desirable gadgets down to this level spurs demand from the mass market, price levels above this and you tend to reach only early adopters and upper income demographics).

So, above that price level, I think you risk not only missing the opportunity to expand your reach to the mass audience - you'll end up with the same players you've already reached, but you also risk losing some live players to the online game.

[ July 15, 2008, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:34 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Back-to-back auctions are tough, but drafts are easy. exactly...

If you started at 10:30am, finish at 3pm, start at 4pm, finish at 7pm, you could also have facilitators that work an 8-9 hour day and get paid $200. It's going to be hard to get people to work both days for main events. This gets it all done in 8-9 hours and doesn't interfere with Friday or too much of Saturday night.

The only thing that gets moved is Super Drafts to Sunday. [/QUOTE]Sounds good.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:35 pm

Greg i think the two on saturday is the way to go.

It's the auctions that can go 6 hours.You will need to do the NFBC before the NBC because guys will not want to show their hands in the new game. I like the auctions on friday with main sat and the high rollers on sunday.To be honest im in either way you slice it but a lot of other people might not get in if you switch things around.I think you would get more people to play saturday afternoon then setting the nbc for thursday.Some people just dont want the extra day in Vegas for many reasons.[money the biggest]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:38 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

Greg-

I would much rather do the 15 team event first. The 12 team event would be different, but I wouldn't want to give away anything the night before. I think you could have the draft on Saturday night. The 12 team event would take less time.

My vote is for two drafts on Saturday with the NFBC going first. Agree with this as well.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:44 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Back-to-back auctions are tough, but drafts are easy. exactly...

If you started at 10:30am, finish at 3pm, start at 4pm, finish at 7pm, you could also have facilitators that work an 8-9 hour day and get paid $200. It's going to be hard to get people to work both days for main events. This gets it all done in 8-9 hours and doesn't interfere with Friday or too much of Saturday night.

The only thing that gets moved is Super Drafts to Sunday. [/QUOTE]Sounds good. [/QUOTE]I did the Super after the main last year. Looking back, I got more tired from the waiting for the Super than doing the Super itself. We just sat around for 2-3 hours. I would have much rather only had about an hour to get some pizza and go right back at it. A 12-team draft is going to fly.

[ July 15, 2008, 07:45 PM: Message edited by: UFS ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:46 pm

You're probably right on that John, 1-2 hours is probably better.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:57 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

You're probably right on that John, 1-2 hours is probably better. If the NBC draft boards are set up before the NFBC, you'd only need an hour for the facilitators to take 15 minutes to make a quick switch of the boards and then have 45 minutes for their own break. Just supply the room with pizza. It would be a great hour were guys hang around looking at nfbc drafts and nbc guys get ready.

Liquidhippo · Post by **Liquidhippo** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:51 pm

I don't care how you slice it. I'll be there regardless. I do 2 auctions every year on Friday, and I'd do a third the same day after that if one was offered. How about a 'Corona Classic' League at midnight with free Coronas for all drafters!

I'm ecstatic with the idea of more events on Thursday. As it is, my options are limited because I can't do AL-Only, NL-Only, and Mixed because of time conflicts. If some of them were offered on Thursday I'd have the option of participating in every type of auction.

The WCOFF offers an event on Thursday night every year. I don't see why the NFBC/NBC can't offer something as well.

On a slightly different note, I think it would be interesting to offer a 'Gridiron type' of league on Thursday. One in which you bid on draft slots and FAAB claims with real money. You'd have to tweak the rules to fit baseball, but it would be fun to see how it played out.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:17 am

All good idea's and if you use thursday for more events then some people can play all the auctions if they wish.I think adding thursday is a must especially with the NBC league in town.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:58 am

NBC: Auctions Thursday.

NFBC: Auctions Friday

NFBC/NBC Main Event Sat.

NFBC/NBC High roller leagues Sunday

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:25 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

NBC: Auctions Thursday.

NFBC: Auctions Friday

NFBC/NBC Main Event Sat.

NFBC/NBC High roller leagues Sunday I second John's idea here

Greg there is NO problem doing the two drafts on Saturday.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:36 am

I'd like to see two drafts on the same day, but answer me this...

How will this work on the east coast with the first draft not getting over until 5-6pm? Also, what about the fandango's of the world, u know the people who get schlogged and can't function for one draft, let alone two?

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:45 am

Geeko, So They start an hour before. The Auctions start in Las Vegas at 9 AM. I'm sure the east coast could handle a 9 AM start for the main events.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:51 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Geeko, So They start an hour before. The Auctions start in Las Vegas at 9 AM. I'm sure the east coast could handle a 9 AM start for the main events.

If they did that someone (like you) would be complaining that it's not fair if the main events don't go off at the same exact time in all cities.

Asumijet · Post by **Asumijet** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:36 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:

NBC: Auctions Thursday.

NFBC: Auctions Friday

NFBC/NBC Main Event Sat.

NFBC/NBC High roller leagues Sunday I second John's idea here

Greg there is NO problem doing the two drafts on Saturday. [/QUOTE]If time is the big concern for two on Saturday. One out-side-the-box idea might be to shorten the NBC draft to 24 rounds. Go to one break after round 12. And then FAAB the 6 reserves during week zero. That could knock an 60-90 minutes off the draft and add a new element of strategy to the game (NBC). The draft should already be 20% shorter going to 12 teams. So the total draft time could be 3 to 3.5 hours. That should be good enough for a Friday or Saturday night.

But no matter how you slice it. I am excited about a $750 NBC event and $250-$300 Online Championship! Great ideas and price points for newbies!

Now, how about the thought of a H2H Points/NFFC style for the NBC event?

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:38 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Back-to-back auctions are tough, but drafts are easy. exactly...

If you started at 10:30am, finish at 3pm, start at 4pm, finish at 7pm, you could also have facilitators that work an 8-9 hour day and get paid $200. It's going to be hard to get people to work both days for main events. This gets it all done in 8-9 hours and doesn't interfere with Friday or too much of Saturday night.

The only thing that gets moved is Super Drafts to Sunday. [/QUOTE]Sounds good. [/QUOTE]I did the Super after the main last year. Looking back, I got more tired from the waiting for the Super than doing the Super itself. We just sat around for 2-3 hours. I would have much rather only had about an hour to get some pizza and go right back at it. A 12-team draft is going to fly. [/QUOTE]See now, you would have had plenty to do if you were studying your opponents' draft boards.

I pretty much agree with all KJ's posts. Well thought out.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:20 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:

NBC: Auctions Thursday.

NFBC: Auctions Friday

NFBC/NBC Main Event Sat.

NFBC/NBC High roller leagues Sunday I second John's idea here

Greg there is NO problem doing the two drafts on Saturday. [/QUOTE]All good ideas. If there was enough interest for two main events on Saturday, we could pull that off. But, we'd have to do it with drafts not starting simultaneously in all four cities, which I don't see as a major problem. So let's just say we started NFBC main events at 9 a.m. locally in each city and then did the NBC main events at 4 or 5 or even 6. That could work for everyone.

I know some people think less of a break inbetween drafts is better, but I disagree. Last year for NFBC on Saturday we started at 10 a.m. and then started again at 4:00. That was tough. Having plenty of time inbetween could make it easier and I agree the NBC 12-teamers will be 30-45 minutes shorter.

Okay, this schedule is starting to grow on me and I know we could get the main rooms all day on Saturday. I also like the idea of an online championship at the $300-$350 level. See, this is why I asked you folks for advice.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:27 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

If there was enough interest for two main events on Saturday, we could pull that off. But, we'd have to do it with drafts not starting simultaneously in all four cities, which I don't see as a major problem. if this happened, you'd likely see me in vegas every march!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:19 pm

Greg, everything sounds good in your last post except starting the main at 9am in Vegas after a Friday night!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:38 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Greg, everything sounds good in your last post except starting the main at 9am in Vegas after a Friday night!

Yeah, there's pain somewhere for someone no matter what we do!!

Let's plan a Fisher party on Thursday night so we're all good boys and home by 2 a.m.!!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:40 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

If there was enough interest for two main events on Saturday, we could pull that off. But, we'd have to do it with drafts not starting simultaneously in all four cities, which I don't see as a major problem. if this happened, you'd likely see me in vegas every march!

[/QUOTE]This format is getting some love by me, so start warming up to the Mrs. right now!!! Wow, what a March Madness this would be. And best of all, I get to come to Las Vegas a day earlier if we're going to add Thursday events!!!

Again, this is all in the early stages as guaranteeing another set of prizes hasn't been approved by anyone. But it was worth kicking around on the message boards to get the feedback. Thanks all.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:42 pm

Okay, question: Price level for a second main event.

Can the baseball industry support two $1,300 entry levels and pay out $100,000 twice?

Is it better to shoot for $1,000 and maybe prizes in the $75,000 range.

Or should we do it as an "entry level" of $650-$750 and award $50,000?

"Two Chances To Win $100,000 In The Same Day Plus a $1 Million Bonus!!!" or "Win $150,000 Plus A $1 Milion Bonus In The Same Day!!"

Help me start the ad campaign and the brochures for my meeting with management soon.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:05 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Okay, question: Price level for a second main event.

Can the baseball industry support two $1,300 entry levels and pay out $100,000 twice?

Is it better to shoot for $1,000 and maybe prizes in the $75,000 range.

Or should we do it as an "entry level" of $650-$750 and award $50,000?

"Two Chances To Win $100,000 In The Same Day Plus a $1 Million Bonus!!!" or "Win $150,000 Plus A $1 Milion Bonus In The Same Day!!"

Help me start the ad campaign and the brochures for my meeting with management soon.

$1300 NFBC/ $700 NBC --- Two for two K, that would be a nice setup and probably not a stretch for most NFBC players to add the second event, and the lower price point might draw in some new players who won't spring for the $1300 out of the box. You could always raise it in subsequent years once you see where the demand is.

... grand prizes of $100k and $50k, plus the $1 mill bonus for winning two ...

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:08 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Greg, everything sounds good in your last post except starting the main at 9am in Vegas after a Friday night!

Yeah, there's pain somewhere for someone no matter what we do!!

Let's plan a Fisher party on Thursday night so we're all good boys and home by 2 a.m.!!!

[/QUOTE]Give me the extra hour of sleep Sat am, it's not like Vegas shuts down or we have to get to bed early Sat night!

And don't forget about the half dozen guys that come stumbling in sat morning minutes before we start (bjoak ) ... move it up an hour and half the crowd will be stumbling in last minute!

[ July 16, 2008, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:58 pm

I think that all cities drafting at the same time is a “key” principle in the structure of the NFBC and I would be very concerned if the NFBC drafts would be changed to say 10:00 AM local time in each city for the following reasons.

1. The perception will be there that drafters in Las Vegas will have an advantage due to the two or three hour time difference because they might be notified by “friends” in Chicago, New York, and Orlando on how the drafts went there and how certain teams were drafting. It would theoretically be possible for a Vegas drafter to know almost the entire draft order for a particular team they might be watching in the other draft cities.

2. NFBC players pay money now to see who gets drafted when in satellite leagues and mock drafts, just think how valuable that real NFBC draft ADP information would be to Vegas drafters if they could get that data passed to them via a phone or PC before or during their draft.

3. Vegas drafters would see all the so called “sleepers” and rookies that the other three cities are drafting and when.

4. What would happen if news about a serious injury to a first rounder became public after east coast teams drafted and Vegas had not yet started? Again, advantage to Vegas drafters.

5. You want to televise the main draft some time? You might as well kiss it good bye if you draft at different times in different cities.

NFBC players are already paranoid about everything from their rankings to free agents being available in one league and not another so to me, the draft must take place at the same time. The NFBC has a reputation for its honesty, fairness, timely payouts, and customer service. If any of these things come to be questioned, fair or not, it is all downhill from there, perception is reality.

I think the $1 million prize is a nice idea marketing idea but the odds for the players are tough at best. I know a lot of the players on these boards here are excited about the idea right now, but in reality how many players will put their money where their mouth is when it comes right down to putting the charges on the card. Don’t get me wrong, I like the idea but I think it will be a struggle getting the NBC sold out. Today’s economy is working against you too.

John

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