NFBC Slow Draft Results

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 2:10 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.

Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.

So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-

If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal? Well, what do you think's going to happen? Do you think Holliday will take 4 out of 5 cats? I'm curious what your thoughts are, instead of, "you're backpedaling" yada yada.

What's your prediction? You don't seem confident enought to say that Holliday will do anything more than take 2 cats from McLouth. I don't mind making predictions on here but it's funny when people try and discount it but don't state any predictions of their own.

[ January 19, 2009, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:14 pm

Do you accept the bet or not?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:16 pm

Signature, $20, or both?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:18 pm

My prediction is that you lose the bet.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:37 pm

I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. Don't let them bait you Crazy- Its a bold prediction, not a guarantee! Your side certainly merits odds- you never asked to bet. They laughed at your Carlos Quetin prediction as well.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:50 pm

Originally posted by Dub:

quote: I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. Don't let them bait you Crazy- Its a bold prediction, not a guarantee! Your side certainly merits odds- you never asked to bet. They laughed at your Carlos Quetin prediction as well. [/QUOTE]Not to mention his Nick Swisher prediction.

I want to see one of these "bold" predictions backed up with more than just lip.

By the way, no prediction be it bold or not is guaranteed, hence the word 'prediction'.

Are we on or not, Crazy?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:33 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Do you accept the bet or not? i'll take it dough..i'll take holladay against mclouth..$20 per CAT

bill

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:49 pm

Originally posted by KentuckyReign:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Do you accept the bet or not? i'll take it dough..i'll take holladay against mclouth..$20 per CAT

bill [/QUOTE]Sorry, I've got the Holliday side. You'll have to ask Crazy for the bet.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:39 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Signature, $20, or both? $20.

Minimum 150 games played by both players for bet to be valid.

Deal?

I'm only making this bet to prove a point, that Matt Holliday is not as great as you think away from Coors.

.295-22-95-95 runs - 18 stolen bases is I think a fair projection for him in 2009. Certainly

garners 3rd or 4th round consideration, but 1st or 2nd round...you've got to be kidding me.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:48 pm

Originally posted by Dub:

quote: I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. Don't let them bait you Crazy- Its a bold prediction, not a guarantee! Your side certainly merits odds- you never asked to bet. They laughed at your Carlos Quetin prediction as well. [/QUOTE]It's ok Dub. It's $20. It'll be a fun side dish to the leagues I'm playing. As much of a "bold" prediction it is, I think it's going to happen, I stand by it. There are no guarantees for sure. We'll see. Let the games begin.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:45 am

It's pretty easy to argue strenuously for the guy who historically has been the 1st round pick and demand a bet about it.

I hope you win, Crazy. I appreciate bold predictions rather than the stock ones.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:51 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

quote: I see what you're saying, but McClouth is on his way up and at 27, he could be primed for a huge year. If Holliday is better in 2009, it's because he gets 20 points in average on McClouth, but will Holliday have more homers? More rbi's? More runs? More stolen bases? The answer will be no to all 4. Don't let them bait you Crazy- Its a bold prediction, not a guarantee! Your side certainly merits odds- you never asked to bet. They laughed at your Carlos Quetin prediction as well. [/QUOTE]It's ok Dub. It's $20. It'll be a fun side dish to the leagues I'm playing. As much of a "bold" prediction it is, I think it's going to happen, I stand by it. There are no guarantees for sure. We'll see. Let the games begin. [/QUOTE]Some of it will depend on where Nate bats in the order. If he leads off like Grady, then RBI's might pose a problem. If he bats third, there is a chance.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:25 am

It doesen't matter, with Crazy's 150 game stipulation, it'll be a no bet. McLouth has only played 150 games once in his career. When putting McLouth against Holliday, one of Hollidays big strengths is his durability.

I made a point of this bet. It's easy to come on the Boards and make rash predictions. Very easy. A little harder when something tangible is on the line. Crazy has taken his ballpark effect a little too far and compared Holliday to the wrong player to be sure.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:22 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

It doesen't matter, with Crazy's 150 game stipulation, it'll be a no bet. McLouth has only played 150 games once in his career. When putting McLouth against Holliday, one of Hollidays big strengths is his durability.

I made a point of this bet. It's easy to come on the Boards and make rash predictions. Very easy. A little harder when something tangible is on the line. Crazy has taken his ballpark effect a little too far and compared Holliday to the wrong player to be sure. One fact is that Holliday hit 29 rbi's on the road last year. Granted that's a down year for him. In his best year he hit .340-36-137 with 120 runs. He hit .301-11-55 with 53 runs on the road that year, his most productive road split in his entire career, which is very similar to Corey Hart's production on the road last year. So I don't feel I am taking his ballpark effect to far, but the proof is in the pudding. My hunch is you overrated Vinny Castilla when he left Colorado. Vinny was well known for having years there where he hit .370 at home and .259 on the road. Talk about extreme splits, it doesn't get any better than Coors Field.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:43 am

Same for Garrett Atkins, which is probably a better comparison to Castilla than Holliday. You are attempting to put the park in the player. Last year when Swisher left Oakland and was traded to the White Sox, you predicted a rosy outlook for him. Well, Swisher has to be evaluted before the park and Swisher is a dog. The change of park from Oakland to the White Sox had no effect, just a change in dog houses. Holliday can be traded to SD and still flourish.

Ballpark effect has a big impact on you, thats good, everybodys different. Your posts almost insinuate that Holliday will be playing 162 games on the road this year, that is just not the case.

Holliday's skill set is at a different level than McLouth. With that skill set, I would have taken that bet if Holliday played in Yellowstone Park.

While true that the ballpark effect may knock Holliday from the first round in a few drafts, to elevate another player from third or fourth round status, like McLouth, to pass him is silly, unless you believe in McLouth enough to make him a first round or top of the second selection. I doubt you will be doing that.

We are probably boring the pants off of the rest of the Board with our disagreement. If you'd like to further your arguments, send me a pm.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:51 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.

Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.

So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-

If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal? How sad that the bet's off. I would have been interested to see what those 'signatures' would have been changed to?

However, I do like a good wager so let me throw this one at you Dan. I'll bet you breakfest in Vegas that my Slow Draft team is more of greasy sausage than yours! Consider this serving from the skillet first: My middle infield? Kendrick-Yuniesky-Mark Ellis and Belliard in reserve! Have you lost your appetite for the bet yet?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:06 am

Originally posted by Spartacus:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Ok Crazy, You've made the statement and been called on it. You've backpeddled but I am not going to let you get away, rash predictions should be backed up.

Now, reading between the lines, you haven't entered the NFBC Main Draft and you would only want a "Genleman's bet" leads me to believe that you are cash challenged. Thats ok, been there, still doing that.

So, here is the bet, and this goes for both sides-

If McLouth beats Holliday in hr, r, rbi, and sb next year you can change my signature to read anything you want for a month next season. Same goes if Holliday beats McLouth in just one of those categories next year. I send you the text for your sigature and you'll have to live with that signature for a month. I'll even pick the shortest month of February for next year, deal? How sad that the bet's off. I would have been interested to see what those 'signatures' would have been changed to?

However, I do like a good wager so let me throw this one at you Dan. I'll bet you breakfest in Vegas that my Slow Draft team is more of greasy sausage than yours! Consider this serving from the skillet first: My middle infield? Kendrick-Yuniesky-Mark Ellis and Belliard in reserve! Have you lost your appetite for the bet yet? [/QUOTE]Yes, I would have preferred the signature bet myself, Bob. Funny, that he suggested the $20 instead.

Bob, whatthehell??

The good news is that you'll get a combined season from Kendrick, Ellis, and Belliard.

The bad news is that you'll get a full season from Betancourt.

I think I may have tossed that breakfast.

Knowing you though, the rest of the team has to look golden.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:26 am

Im not bored Dan, i enjoy debate.I was hoping the bet was on, how about 140 games im sure both will reach that easy.These boards need any kind of baseball discussion.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:41 am

It's time to steer this thread back on track. Here's a look at Rounds 7-10 from one of the Slow Drafts:

SEVENTH ROUND:

91. Torii Hunter

92. Chone Figgins

93. Ryan Doumit

94. Michael Young

95. John Lackey

96. Jhonny Peralta

97. Joba Chamberlain

98. Jay Bruce

99. Felix Hernandez

100. Jose Valverde

101. Carlos Pena

102. Roy Oswalt

103. A.J. Burnett

104. Carlos Delgado

105. Edinson Volquez

EIGHTH ROUND

106. Daisuke Matsuzaka

107. Raul Ibanez

108. Andre Ethier

109. Rich Harden

110. Brian Fuentes

111. Jonathan Broxton

112. Bobby Jenks

113. Carlos Marmol

114. Ricky Nolasco

115. Yovani Gallardo

116. Chris Young (OF)

117. Zack Greinke

118. Alex Gordon

119. Adam Dunn

120. Matt Capps

NINTH ROUND

121. Francisco Cordero

122. Robinson Cano

123. Nelson Cruz

124. Kerry Wood

125. Matt Cain

126. Huston Street

127. Ryan Zimmerman

128. Trevor Hoffman

129. Brad Hawpe

130. Ryan Ludwick

131. Elijah Dukes

132. Brian Wilson

133. Adrian Beltre

134. Jermaine Dye

135. Matt Wieters

TENTH ROUND

136. Frank Francisco

137. Howie Kendrick

138. Jayson Werth

139. Xavier Nady

140. Milton Bradley

141. Ryan Dempster

142. Lastings Milledge

143. Javier Vazquez

144. John Danks

145. Denard Span

146. Jose Lopez

147. Josh Johnson

148. Mark Reynolds

149. James Loney

150. Chris Iannetta

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:43 am

Alright Bob and Eddie-

Crazy- $20 and signature change for a month next year, 140 games minimum, are we on?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:46 am

Matt Capps is getting a lot of love in these early drafts.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:35 am

Is it only me or does Ludwick in the 9th and Werth in the 10th seem like really good values? Albeit only once, Ryan has already walked the walk. Weiter, taken only 5 picks later would have to have the rookie season to end all rookie seasons to post Ludwicks stats from last year.

Werth is a poor-mans power and speed combo in he 10th round- kudos.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:01 am

Originally posted by Dub:

Werth is a poor-mans power and speed combo in he 10th round- kudos. Careful Dub! Werth finally got 400+ AB as a 29 year old (he will turn 30 in May) and all he had to do to get it was beat out poor old worn out Geoff Jenkins. Werth is a real good fit for the wrong side of a platoon (he hit .303 against LHers and .255 against RHers). The Phils may not stand pat with what they have and go after another right hander who can hit better against the split.

10th sounds about right to me.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:28 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

Werth is a poor-mans power and speed combo in he 10th round- kudos. Careful Dub! Werth finally got 400+ AB as a 29 year old (he will turn 30 in May) and all he had to do to get it was beat out poor old worn out Geoff Jenkins. Werth is a real good fit for the wrong side of a platoon (he hit .303 against LHers and .255 against RHers). The Phils may not stand pat with what they have and go after another right hander who can hit better against the split.

10th sounds about right to me. [/QUOTE]I see your point, but how many guys went 20/20 last year with a respectable (.273) average?