Is Josh Hamilton better than Carlos Quentin?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:21 am

Adding to Hamilton's problems, there are strong rumors that Mrs. Hamilton has fallen in love with another man.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:33 am

If that's true that his girl is in love with someone else that could be bad.He need's support and without his her who know's.Where did you hear this Doughboy's.I just dropped him to 10 if true.

[ February 22, 2009, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: eddiejag ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:39 am

I was speaking of Jules, Eddie.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:57 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I was speaking of Jules, Eddie.

Hey Dan, did Henny Youngman leave you his stage notes?

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:56 am

You got me Dan.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:19 am

Originally posted by Dub:

If you draft from the 8 hole or up- you could get BOTH Hamilton and Quentin

Now that you compared these guys with ONE year. Stack their numbers up against 7th round Ludwick. He is in the discussion imho.

104 R

37- hrs

113 RBis

4 SBs

299 Ave Excellent point Dub. While Ludwick is two years older than Hamilton and not as heavily hyped, he does have one really big year to go on, just like Quentin and Hamilton. Those are numbers that Quentin or Hamilton could end up with in 2009 and nobody would bat an eye.

According to Gekko's logic, there may not be "a more sure thing".

I joke but my guess is Gekko is not as high on Hamilton as he contends. I don't see him drafting him at #8. I think Gekko is much smarter than that. Taking a guy with one full year of experience who's had such a tumultous past seems so risky, it makes me feel squeamish just thinking about. I can't imagine somebody taking Hamilton over Cabrera, Howard, or even....dare I say, Carlos Lee. I don't get it.

How can anyone (seems like most everyone) be so sure about a guy who has one full year of experience.

As far as Ludwick is concerned, the hype machine only focuses on certain players apparently.

[ February 22, 2009, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

RedRyder · Post by **RedRyder** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:50 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Adding to Hamilton's problems, there are strong rumors that Mrs. Hamilton has fallen in love with another man. It's kinda true...I mean, I will always love Josh, but he's a year older now and I like 'em young!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:04 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

According to Gekko's logic, there may not be "a more sure thing".

I joke but my guess is Gekko is not as high on Hamilton as he contends. I don't see him drafting him at #8. I think Gekko is much smarter than that. Taking a guy with one full year of experience who's had such a tumultous past seems so risky, it makes me feel squeamish just thinking about. I can't imagine somebody taking Hamilton over Cabrera, Howard, or even....dare I say, Carlos Lee. I don't get it.

yep, just check my app again. hamilton #8.

ludwick is a great draft day value given his current adp. i said that before on the MB when i saw him go in the 8th round or something silly like that earlier this year.

howard and lee are both passes that early. i'd likely pass on miggy too. i learned last year, he's a lazy SOB. hamilton over all of them.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:14 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

According to Gekko's logic, there may not be "a more sure thing".

I joke but my guess is Gekko is not as high on Hamilton as he contends. I don't see him drafting him at #8. I think Gekko is much smarter than that. Taking a guy with one full year of experience who's had such a tumultous past seems so risky, it makes me feel squeamish just thinking about. I can't imagine somebody taking Hamilton over Cabrera, Howard, or even....dare I say, Carlos Lee. I don't get it.

yep, just check my app again. hamilton #8.

ludwick is a great draft day value given his current adp. i said that before on the MB when i saw him go in the 8th round or something silly like that earlier this year.

howard and lee are both passes that early. i'd likely pass on miggy too. i learned last year, he's a lazy SOB. hamilton over all of them. [/QUOTE]Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:27 am

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all. miggy is not in my top 8. sorry if that disappoints you.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:37 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all. miggy is not in my top 8. sorry if that disappoints you. [/QUOTE]Not at all. Even the best, or those who think they'

re the best, make mistakes from time to time.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:39 am

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all. miggy is not in my top 8. sorry if that disappoints you. [/QUOTE]Not at all. Even the best, or those who think they'

re the best, make mistakes from time to time. [/QUOTE]i sure do make mistakes, although hamilton over miggy isn't one of them.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:11 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all. miggy is not in my top 8. sorry if that disappoints you. [/QUOTE]Not at all. Even the best, or those who think they'

re the best, make mistakes from time to time. [/QUOTE]i sure do make mistakes, although hamilton over miggy isn't one of them. [/QUOTE]real baseball- Miggy is a dog! FBB he still puts up numbers.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:10 am

How can anyone (seems like most everyone) be so sure about a guy who has one full year of experience.

Maybe you should ask last year's Ryan Braun owners.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:35 am

I think im staying away from Howard this year as im not sure he can hit 275 or better and i want bavg from my first pick.I wouldnt take Carlos LEE either in round one only because you can get him in round 2.Miggy is in my top 8 as he had a bad first half and hitting 292 for him is an off year for bavg.

Hey Cabrera is only 26 and finally got going in the second half with these number's,

304 bavg

26 hr

79 rbi's

BANG

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:12 am

I agree...Miggy had MVP 2nd half.

Once he settled into DET and got over the pressure of "being the man"...he let loose!

~Lance

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:28 am

Interesting how this thread has morphed into a Hamilton vs Miggy contest.

What happened to Q? I agree w/ CC's earlier remark...Q's injury was a freak thing, and I'd personally rather have Q in rd 3 than Hamilton in rd 1...esp if I had already taken Miggy in the 1st rd!

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:41 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

I think im staying away from Howard this year as im not sure he can hit 275 or better and i want bavg from my first pick.I wouldnt take Carlos LEE either in round one only because you can get him in round 2.Miggy is in my top 8 as he had a bad first half and hitting 292 for him is an off year for bavg.

Hey Cabrera is only 26 and finally got going in the second half with these number's,

304 bavg

26 hr

79 rbi's

BANG I agree. It took Miggy a few months to settle into his new home and get over the initial pressures of carrying the team. I expect to see close to the production with a .315 to .330 BA. I don't think we'll see him hit under .300 for awhile. He could potentially get in the 140 rbi territory as well. He's a great pick in the mid-1st round, well, anywhere in the 1st round for that matter.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:43 am

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

Interesting how this thread has morphed into a Hamilton vs Miggy contest.

What happened to Q? I agree w/ CC's earlier remark...Q's injury was a freak thing, and I'd personally rather have Q in rd 3 than Hamilton in rd 1...esp if I had already taken Miggy in the 1st rd! Well first it was Hamilton vs Quentin, then Hamilton vs Carlos Lee, then Hamilton vs Ludwick, then Hamilton vs Miggy. I might lose track if there's a few other names thrown out there. How about Hamilton vs. Matt Kemp?

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Of course he wont get the 8 pick again so we will never get to see him pass on Hamilton for Miggy so we will never truly see the BS of it all. miggy is not in my top 8. sorry if that disappoints you. [/QUOTE]I'm certainly surprised.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:13 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I agree...Miggy had MVP 2nd half.

Once he settled into DET and got over the pressure of "being the man"...he let loose!

~Lance yes, everyone loves a good 2nd half. i have no doubt he'll put up good numbers, but i think there are at least 8 that put up better numbers.

SluggoJD · Post by **SluggoJD** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:41 pm

Nice thread guys! What's coming next - Hamilton vs Pierre?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:40 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

the researchers at GG Industries have told me there is no chance for a drug relapse. This has been a great thread. Sorry to have missed it yesterday.

No offense, but "no chance for a drug relapse" means one got by the brain trust at GG Industries. Anyone with a history of addiction has to deal with it every day. And most have a hard time with it during the course of a "normal" life. Hamilton may be able to control it, but he can never beat it. He has to live with the pressures of that desire, that addiction for the rest of his life.

And his life is not normal. He is a MLB player, a star, with unlimited pressures and nearly unlimited funds. Sounds like he has a great support group and that is certainly important, but a prolonged slump, a nagging injury, or an unforseen personal challenge gives Hamilton so much more pressure than most other addicts have to deal with.

That being said, I like Hamilton as much as I like any other ballplayer who has succeeded for one year in MLB. He does carry risk, but personally I place that risk lower than Quentin and his wrist injury. Even simple wrist injuries can drain power even after every thing is "fine". Just what is your tolerance for risk? Hamilton will be gone in the first. Quentin will be gone in the third. Maybe the thread should be Hamilton vs Braun or Quentin vs Markakis? If those are my choices, I for one am going Braun/Markakis.

[ February 23, 2009, 06:42 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:25 am

The answer is yes.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:21 am

Everyone draws their own line in the sand. Hamilton has been clean for years now. That is good enough for me. If he puts up monster numbers for the next 3 years, will the same “addict for life” people still be discounting Hamilton? If so, you will continue to lose out on major production.

I can pinpoint negatives to drafting ANY player. Like I said everyone needs to draw their own line in the sand (as well as not believing in the boogeyman!).