LABR NL

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:39 pm

Good, tough draft and great party!!

First impressions were that all the C and 2B went for more than expected.....even the marginal guys due to scarcity.

Our plan was to lay low if the early $$ were high.. In most cases they were...

Draft started out with...

Reyes 45

Hanley 46

Lincecum 33

Santana 31

FRodriguez 21

Braun 37

DWright 44

Sandoval 19 (opened at 17)

Pujols 42

Rollins 40

--------------- First ten out---

Peavy 25, Soriano 33, RMartin 22, Harden 19, McCann 24 highlighted next 10...

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Manny 33, Kemp 34, Fielder 31, Furcal 28

With 42 players already gone, we took Soto C for $23. More than we wanted to pay, but in retro, we were happy in the end as all the other $6-8 C's went for $9-15.

Y.Molina 9,B.Molina 15, R.Hernandez 15, Doumit 18, Ianetta 20, Snyder 9.

So here's the team...

$23 Soto

$2 Kendall

$4 G.Sanchez

$1 P.Alvarez

$21 Zimmerman

$16 Weeks

$4 Hairston

$20 Hardy

$30 Victorino

$23 Bruce

$13 F.Lewis

$8 B.Giles

$4 Gerut

$1 Hinske

$14 Cain

$20 B.Myers

$12 Dempster

$14 Cueto

$8 Maholm

$3 Heilman

$2 TBuchholz

$1 Eyre

$1 Gaudin

$15 F.Cordero

Reserve-A.Escobar(mil),L.Vizcaino, L.Morrison, W.Helms, D.Weathers, M.Alou

We did a pretty decent job of keeping up with the zigs and zags during the draft. We should win K's with no problem. No one had four decent K guys like us. C.Hart went for $27. Just too much for us so we had to go extra to get SB's with Victorino.

Zimmerman, Hardy, a top C, Bruce, F.Lewis, Gerut and four solid starters in those price slots were all targets..

We got squeezed at 1B... 3-4 teams got squeezed at 2B. $170 on hitting and we came out with the most AB's..Seven teams have 1000-1500 less AB's...Mostly stars/scrubs teams..several groans when we took PAlvarez for $1.

Fire away.....

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:44 am

no ey jr?? greg you should be ashamed and will OWE me a corona for that obvious error!!!

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:05 am

John,

Sorry I am ignorant to this, as although I have heard of LABR, I am not sure the scoring, number of teams, etc.

Could you educate a newbie???

Always good to look over a draft and see/discuss the "pros and cons".

Thanks!

ssmarsh · Post by **ssmarsh** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:43 am

Thanks for the inside info. Be sure to post the AL side as well after the auction today!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:02 am

Love the pitching staff and at $90 or so should.

I have had Giles on my team(s) a bunch years, but the $8 surprises me a bit. Gerut, besides having two Padre OFers, is going to break your heart. With Alou claiming to be "retired", you obviously already have your eye on who pops up in the FA pool after spring.

I guess position scarcity pumped up the value on Weeks, but you got some BA help in other players. Interesting team.

Did anyone have the kind of draft that said "that is the team to beat"?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:13 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

$16 Weeks

...and the love affair continues...

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:13 am

Team's ok too me but maybe a little in power.

Didnt pay for any stud player's as Victorino is the most expensive player at 30.Will Gabby Sanchez win the the first base job and Alvarez will probably start the year in the minor's.I thought the price's on Dempster 12 and Malholm 8 were very good and Cueto at 14 seem's about right.Spending 20 for Myers is a lot especially after his season.

I would rather have Gerut 4 than Giles 8.

Hardy at 20 seem's fair and nice to get Escobar in the reserves.I can live with the 23 for Sota as in a auction he even has more value.

I would have taken the 28 on Myers and Giles and put it somewhere else. Overall i would give this team a B. JUST my opinion.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:19 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

John,

Sorry I am ignorant to this, as although I have heard of LABR, I am not sure the scoring, number of teams, etc.

Could you educate a newbie???

Always good to look over a draft and see/discuss the "pros and cons".

Thanks!

5 X 5

13 teams

There is trading.

If you are doing a NFBC auction league, the LABR results are pretty good information.

The AL league is 12 teams.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:37 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

no ey jr?? greg you should be ashamed and will OWE me a corona for that obvious error!!!

I LOVE EY2 and he even hit a homer down here on Friday. We were left with $6 for our last five players and someone else jumped in before us. I'll gladly buy the Corona for that miscue. In fact, I wish you would have taken the last one I had last night!!

Ouch, I have a headache today. But a good one.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:42 am

Solid draft I agree. Pitching is good for an NL Only. The power is a little light I agree with Eddie. Speed should be fine and average seemed a little lite. Glad to see you finally grabbed one closer.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:48 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

$16 Weeks

...and the love affair continues...

[/QUOTE]Nah, not even any illusions of him turning it all around this year. In any auction, you can see trends coming and if you're in an upcoming NL-only auction soon look at the stolen bases and wonder where you're going to get some. It's very, very hard in the NL this year. Then look at each position and decide if you are going to get someone at the scarce positions or not.

Catcher was one position where you had to either jump in with both feet or be stuck standing without a good C. Here's why:

Martin $22 (came out first among C's)

McCann $24

Soto $23 (we decided early to get a top catcher)

Doumit $18

Iannetta $20

Bengie Molina $15

Ramon Hernandez $15

Same at 2B:

Phillips $29

Utley $36

Uggla $21

Kelly Johnson$23

Weeks $16

Felipe Lopez $18

Kaz Matsui $15

Hudson $13

Freddy Sanchez $12

So either you jump in for a player with warts on him at these positions or you stay away completely. We didn't target Soto or Weeks, it just played out that way.

Then we kind of got caught at one of the deepest positions: 1B. Sixteen first basemen went $14 or more and we didn't get a single one. That's a BIG number in a 13-team league. We just couldn't get any of the second tier 1B:

Votto $27

Atkins $23

Loney $25

Sandoval $19

Kotchman $17

Conor Jackson $20

Casey Blake $14

Jorge Cantu $17

Hey, sometimes you just move on and bolster your lineup somewhere else, which we did in the OF.

We got a lot of at-bats and enough starting pitchers to contend in wins and K's. We even got a relief pitcher. It's a starting point and we'll see what happens. You never feel great after leaving one of these tough single-league auctions because everyone leaves with a few holes, but it's a starting point.

Waiting through 42 players is never easy. But maybe we'll do it again tonight.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:18 am

I recommend not waiting 42 players. You miss out on values believe it or not. Just my two cents....time to adjust.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:22 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

John,

Sorry I am ignorant to this, as although I have heard of LABR, I am not sure the scoring, number of teams, etc.

Could you educate a newbie???

Always good to look over a draft and see/discuss the "pros and cons".

Thanks!

5 X 5

13 teams

There is trading.

If you are doing a NFBC auction league, the LABR results are pretty good information.

The AL league is 12 teams. [/QUOTE]Not doing an auction this year, but fascilitating one to see how it goes. If baseball sticks for me, I would like to get in one next year.

Thanks Shawn!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:37 am

Who are the reigning LABR NL and AL Champions?

I like the analysis, John & Greg!

You're not the only one with a hangover today Greg!

(actually rare for me)

You know we are getting close to D-Day when the message board gets quiet.

I'm so ready this year...you won't even recognize me!

I had a "big smile" moment on Friday...

a) I was back working

b) It was sunny and warm!

c) I put on a pair of shorts for this first time in ages.

d) There was BASEBALL on the truck radio!

It all sunk in and felt awesome!

~Lance

[ March 08, 2009, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:42 am

Kaz Matsui for $15 makes Weeks look like a bargain!

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:45 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Team's ok too me but maybe a little in power.

Didnt pay for any stud player's as Victorino is the most expensive player at 30.Will Gabby Sanchez win the the first base job and Alvarez will probably start the year in the minor's.I thought the price's on Dempster 12 and Malholm 8 were very good and Cueto at 14 seem's about right.Spending 20 for Myers is a lot especially after his season.

I would rather have Gerut 4 than Giles 8.

Hardy at 20 seem's fair and nice to get Escobar in the reserves.I can live with the 23 for Sota as in a auction he even has more value.

I would have taken the 28 on Myers and Giles and put it somewhere else. Overall i would give this team a B. JUST my opinion. Eddie..and all..thanks for the comments... keep them coming...

I agree on the B grade. That's how I felt when we left...

There is no "wow" team... There are about 5-6 B/B- teams(Perry was one of these also), 5-6 C teams and a couple of D+ teams.

Everyone had a gaping hole or two..some three or four...

If Gerut and Hinske do what they did last year, our power is up there. We expect Alvarez to be up late May, but had to go for the upside there.

Check out Myers second half...

Post-All Star 13 13 7 4 0 2 1 88.1 82 33 30 5 21 75 3.06 1.17

That's worth $20.

Billingsley $23, Gallardo $19, Nolasco $19, Oswalt $22, Hamels $28, Volquez $18, JJohnson $17, Lilly $17, Harang $16, Harden $19, Vazquez $25, Wainwright $17, Lowe $16.

Myers for $20 just made sense the way things were going...

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:47 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Who are the reigning LABR NL and AL Champions? NL - Tristan Cockroft

AL - Jonah Keri (not returning due to work)

[ March 08, 2009, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: JohnZ ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:49 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Kaz Matsui for $15 makes Weeks look like a bargain! We needed the HR Weeks gave us there at the time and had a decent average at the time. We also thought we'd have enough to get Kotchman's .290 after the Week's pick.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:55 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

Good, tough draft and great party!!

$170 on hitting and we came out with the most AB's..Seven teams have 1000-1500 less AB's...Mostly stars/scrubs teams..several groans when we took PAlvarez for $1.

Fire away..... John - you guys did fine - at least you don't have one of the ugly pitching staffs

BUT tell me how you think you got the most AB with Alvarez in the minors and Hinske hurt? - you can replace Hinske with Helms and have Buchholz likely on DL to give you a free roster spot for the first FAAB player. You did great to get Morrison - I was taking him next - but if Cantu starts at 1B, you guys have a hole there as well.

As Greg said - EVERY team in a tough 13 team league has holes somewhere. Luck on injuries and ability to fix the holes will likely determine the winner.

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:31 am

Perry- Are the rules different for the LABR as opposed to the NFBC? Your comment regarding Bucholz sounds as if a player must be on the DL in order to use the FAAB process. Is this true? My understanding of the NFBC rules is that there are no such restrictions on substitutions.

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:38 am

Originally posted by GYOZTES:

Perry- Are the rules different for the LABR as opposed to the NFBC? Your comment regarding Bucholz sounds as if a player must be on the DL in order to use the FAAB process. Is this true? My understanding of the NFBC rules is that there are no such restrictions on substitutions. TOTALLY different rules for LABR.....and I said "free" roster spot. Only six reserve slots LABR, but unlimited DL slots, so if they DL Buchholz, that opens a spot to reserve Alvarez and add a player.

In NFBC, totally open on up and down moves - not so in LABR.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:39 am

Originally posted by Captain Hook:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

Good, tough draft and great party!!

$170 on hitting and we came out with the most AB's..Seven teams have 1000-1500 less AB's...Mostly stars/scrubs teams..several groans when we took PAlvarez for $1.

Fire away..... John - you guys did fine - at least you don't have one of the ugly pitching staffs

BUT tell me how you think you got the most AB with Alvarez in the minors and Hinske hurt? - you can replace Hinske with Helms and have Buchholz likely on DL to give you a free roster spot for the first FAAB player. You did great to get Morrison - I was taking him next - but if Cantu starts at 1B, you guys have a hole there as well.

As Greg said - EVERY team in a tough 13 team league has holes somewhere. Luck on injuries and ability to fix the holes will likely determine the winner. [/QUOTE]from above...

"Everyone had a gaping hole or two..some three or four..."

I agree with those that fix the holes will win...

We have Alvarez at zero AB. Hinske at 350. Sanchez at only 305. If we don't get those 600ab, not at the to...

Liked your C combo and Soriano,Kemp, Werth OF.

Arroyo,Lohse,Garland scare me. We wanted Nolasco but could not go $20.

To all: With today's A Rod News... How much do you think he'll go for?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:42 am

p.s. We have L.Vizcaino to stick in for Buccholz for now...

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:44 am

ARod is still a $30 player, will you pony up for that? He is projected to play as many games as last year with some added risk, so I guess the question is what would you pay for something close to last years stats?

GYOZTES · Post by **GYOZTES** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:45 am

Perry-thank you for the clarification-are you allowed to substitute freely from your reserve list to your active roster in LABR?