Main Event KDS Preferences

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:17 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

the # of "downer phone calls" would be less with a default of 15-1. Not sure of your logic here, Mark. You are assuming that the those that had 1-15 as their preference merely did so because it was the default setting. That surely is one opinion, but it can not be taken for fact. I am sure a few did not address it directly, but that was probably because they were satisfied with 1-15.

To each his/her own, but my vote would be to leave the default KDS like it is please.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:18 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I find it hard to believe people would actually dial Greg's phone number to voice their displeasure over something that is both fair and out of his control.

~Lance lance you believe any conspiracy out there. yet, when you are presented with FACTS from GREG, you say it is "hard to believe"??

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:28 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Not sure of your logic here, Mark. You are assuming that the those that had 1-15 as their preference merely did so because it was the default setting. That surely is one opinion, but it can not be taken for fact. I am sure a few did not address it directly, but that was probably because they were satisfied with 1-15.

To each his/her own, but my vote would be to leave the default KDS like it is please. no problem disagreeing. greg has spoken and it's not going to change. again, no problem, just trying to improve the process and see more people who use and value KDS get one of their preferred slots.

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:37 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Not sure of your logic here, Mark. You are assuming that the those that had 1-15 as their preference merely did so because it was the default setting. That surely is one opinion, but it can not be taken for fact. I am sure a few did not address it directly, but that was probably because they were satisfied with 1-15.

To each his/her own, but my vote would be to leave the default KDS like it is please. no problem disagreeing. greg has spoken and it's not going to change. again, no problem, just trying to improve the process and see more people who use and value KDS get one of their preferred slots. [/QUOTE]I understand that you are just giving an opinion. I'm just wondering how it is that you think more people would get their prefered slot?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:39 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I find it hard to believe people would actually dial Greg's phone number to voice their displeasure over something that is both fair and out of his control.

~Lance lance you believe any conspiracy out there. yet, when you are presented with FACTS from GREG, you say it is "hard to believe"??

[/QUOTE]C'mon Mark!

You are smarter than that.

I believe Greg...but shake my head at the people calling him.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:43 pm

I wish I could get Carlos Lee in the 2nd round!

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:48 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I wish I could get Carlos Lee in the 2nd round! If you had my draft spot, you could!

15th spot. It was my 15th KDS.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:58 pm

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I wish I could get Carlos Lee in the 2nd round! If you had my draft spot, you could!

15th spot. It was my 15th KDS. [/QUOTE]Jack,

I checked the Chicago leagues and noticed you were 15th. We got our 10th KDS- 10th pick.

I'm not thrilled about that...hold on a sec...got to leave a nasty message on Greg's voicemail...tell him it doesn't feel like Christmas in March anymore... I knew he had it out for me... okay I'm back... his voicemail was full...I'll try again tomorrow!

See you in Chicago.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:51 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I find it hard to believe people would actually dial Greg's phone number to voice their displeasure over something that is both fair and out of his control.

~Lance Seriously. [/QUOTE]I had a guy do that once in a 16-team league.

He called me back at the end of the year to tell me he drafted McGwire and Sosa.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:13 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

the # of "downer phone calls" would be less with a default of 15-1. Not sure of your logic here, Mark. You are assuming that the those that had 1-15 as their preference merely did so because it was the default setting. That surely is one opinion, but it can not be taken for fact. I am sure a few did not address it directly, but that was probably because they were satisfied with 1-15.

To each his/her own, but my vote would be to leave the default KDS like it is please. [/QUOTE]I understand GG's point of setting it at 15-1 too, because that way each owner is at least asked to take the simple task of going into your Draft Preferences and resetting them to 1-15 or something else. Heck, I just received a long e-mail from someone telling me that by NOT doing this at 15-1 it's allowing the lazy owners to get the highest draft pick possible.

That's just not an accurate read, trust me. There are several owners who tell me to leave their KDS at 1-15. I think that just because 58 owners out of 390 left their KDS at 1-15 it doesn't mean they refused to decide what to do with their KDS. Maybe they just wanted it 1-15 and didn't mind taking whatever the random selection gave them. Not everyone is as caught up with where they draft as others.

Again, I understand the reasoning to change the default, but I don't see the need for it. I also don't see the need for 3RR in baseball at this point. And for all those who actually did get their 14th or 15th KDS preference, well, guess what? This year that probably means you were picked 14th or 15th randomly in that league. Believe it or not, someone is the 14th or 15th person selected randomly in EVERY league. Amazing. And they get seeded with the last or second last spot left. As Wayne said, this year the consensus seems to be to stay away from the back-end, unlike past years, and so some folks fell there.

So now you have eight days to prepare for that turn. And you have eight days to prepare for the 3-4 turn and more importantly eight days to prepare for the 10-20 turns, which is where the NFBC has been won in recent years. Good luck all. And please, no more calls on my cell phone at home to say how disappointed you are with your 14th KDS preference. I get it already. That one got old yesterday.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:16 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I wish I could get Carlos Lee in the 2nd round! If you had my draft spot, you could!

15th spot. It was my 15th KDS. [/QUOTE]Sorry Mighty Men. If I recollect during the satellite season, you guys kept getting your first preference. Guys were even kidding both of you for continuing to get your first pick. Sometimes the law of averages catches up to you, I guess. Good luck from 15 and work hard.

And where did our first five NFBC overall champions draft from? Take a guess.

cindy · Post by **cindy** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:19 am

I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to call you and complain about their draft slot. Every league must have 15 people in it and all 15 cannot get the first pick!! That's unreal! People never cease to amaze!!!

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:27 am

Originally posted by cindy:

I cannot believe someone would have the audacity to call you and complain about their draft slot. Every league must have 15 people in it and all 15 cannot get the first pick!! That's unreal! People never cease to amaze!!! Agreed. Plus there's no crying in fantasy baseball!

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:47 am

I am one of the 58 people who had it 1-15. If it were default 15-1, I would go on and change it.

Hobo Zeke · Post by **Hobo Zeke** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:56 am

I want to complain to Greg right here and now.

I got the third spot in my league.

Oh wait, #3 was my first choice in the KDS. Never mind. Instead, THANK YOU, GREG. R.Z.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:54 am

I cannot believe people would call and complain about their draft spot. I got the 15th pick, which sucked, but it never crossed my mind to phone or e-mail Greg to complain. You take the cards you're dealt and do the best you can.

If you're complaining about your spot before the draft even starts, you're already beat.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 4:55 am

....and I feel the same way for those who got a great spot and think they should say thanks.

You haven't won a damn thing yet.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:29 am

personally, i believe kds purpose it to have even distribution amongst draft spots. if aprox 20 percent of people are leaving their kds at 1-15 is that equal distribution??? that leaves the remaining 80 percent prefering the other 14 slots...hmmmm...that is aprox 6 percent/slot and i have a feeling the number is skewed even more to the front of the draft lets say picks 2,3,4....which reduces the percentages even more for the backend. if we implemented 3rr, i believe you would see much static numbers across the board for draft preferences. that seems to be the case in football right?? i am not trying to upset the applecart here BUT 3rr would be more fair and keep more participants happy with there draft slots.....but then again its impossible to please everyone...it just logically seems fair to me....random thoughts from a delusional mind!!! food for thought!!!

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:02 am

Originally posted by JEagle:

I am one of the 58 people who had it 1-15. If it were default 15-1, I would go on and change it. And those that didn't would call and complain. Something Lance saw in his original post. The number of complaints would dwarf whatever Greg rec'd yesterday.

Changing to 15-1 makes zero sense from an operators POV. Just creates more work and hassle when it's least needed.

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:06 am

as a voice of reason and a person who was not pleased with my draft position drawn yesterday, 13 pick 13 preference, we all are like kids on christmas with our preffered draft position. for me, i think about baseball and drafting more than most people think about sex...i know hard to believe but true. i never envisioned a late round pick as i never envision losing a bet when i place it, albeit, i know the odds of losing the play or getting an undesireable pick ARE possible. but there is a an overwhelming sense of dissappointment initially. and as cooler heads prevail and you realize you can win from any slot position that doesnt take away from the initial sting of not getting what you envisioned....and thats ok. i take the challenge and run full force with it...did i want 13, 14, 15...no way BUT i know i can win from anywhere whereas EVERYONE should feel the same way or you wouldnt have ponied up 1300. i see both sides of the fence but you absorb accept and move on and back to battle. good luck to everyone...those who got what they wanted and those who didnt and as you know there are always pleasent suprises in a draft that you never expected. have fun and move on and just let everyone know i did not call greg to bitch i called him to cogratulate on a job well done!!!

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:06 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I wish I could get Carlos Lee in the 2nd round! If you had my draft spot, you could!

15th spot. It was my 15th KDS. [/QUOTE]Sorry Mighty Men. If I recollect during the satellite season, you guys kept getting your first preference. Guys were even kidding both of you for continuing to get your first pick. Sometimes the law of averages catches up to you, I guess. Good luck from 15 and work hard.

And where did our first five NFBC overall champions draft from? Take a guess. [/QUOTE]No need to say sorry. Thems the breaks. I told John we should expect a pick that we don't want exactly for the reason you stated - we kept getting #1 picks in the satellite season, so we were due for a low pick.

I promise I will not call you or e-mail you to complain about KDS.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:10 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

And those that didn't would call and complain. Something Lance saw in his original post. The number of complaints would dwarf whatever Greg rec'd yesterday.

Changing to 15-1 makes zero sense from an operators POV. Just creates more work and hassle when it's least needed. nah. lazyitis is always a loser's bet.

maybe we shouldn't have a default KDS. if tom picks your name out of the hat and you have not set your KDS (meaning you don't care where you draft), then you don't get a draft slot until all the KDS people got theirs. my way is the best win/win out of the kds system. your way allows people who don't care where they draft to take preferred slots away from people who do care where they draft.

probably about 10% of owners don't give a rats-ass about where they draft or kds.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:14 am

Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

personally, i believe kds purpose it to have even distribution amongst draft spots. if aprox 20 percent of people are leaving their kds at 1-15 is that equal distribution??? that leaves the remaining 80 percent prefering the other 14 slots...hmmmm...that is aprox 6 percent/slot and i have a feeling the number is skewed even more to the front of the draft lets say picks 2,3,4....which reduces the percentages even more for the backend. if we implemented 3rr, i believe you would see much static numbers across the board for draft preferences. that seems to be the case in football right?? i am not trying to upset the applecart here BUT 3rr would be more fair and keep more participants happy with there draft slots.....but then again its impossible to please everyone...it just logically seems fair to me....random thoughts from a delusional mind!!! food for thought!!! 3rr is an attempt to even out draft slots in football based on proven data from several services.

That data does not remotely exist in baseball.

The main reason IMO is that even if there is an advantage in rd 1 in baseball, it can EASILY be more than compensated for because there are many more positions and rounds to fill in baseball. You are living truth that this is true.

3rr should never be about pleasing everyone. It can't be done. Someone will always be the 15th pick and not be happy.

[ March 14, 2009, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: JohnZ ]

751542 · Post by **751542** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:19 am

Originally posted by JohnZ:

quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:

personally, i believe kds purpose it to have even distribution amongst draft spots. if aprox 20 percent of people are leaving their kds at 1-15 is that equal distribution??? that leaves the remaining 80 percent prefering the other 14 slots...hmmmm...that is aprox 6 percent/slot and i have a feeling the number is skewed even more to the front of the draft lets say picks 2,3,4....which reduces the percentages even more for the backend. if we implemented 3rr, i believe you would see much static numbers across the board for draft preferences. that seems to be the case in football right?? i am not trying to upset the applecart here BUT 3rr would be more fair and keep more participants happy with there draft slots.....but then again its impossible to please everyone...it just logically seems fair to me....random thoughts from a delusional mind!!! food for thought!!! 3rr is an attempt to even out draft slots in football based on proven data from several services.

That data does not remotely exist in baseball.

The main reason IMO is that even if there is an advantage in rd 1 in baseball, it can EASILY be more than compensated for because there are many more positions and rounds to fill in baseball. You are living truth that this is true.

3rr should never be about pleasing everyone. It can't be done. Someone will always be the 15th pick and not be happy. [/QUOTE]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:21 am

...also...Rotisserie style and 27 starters vs. Points-Based style with 10 starters is apples to oranges.

If football was rotisserie and had 15-20 starters...3RR MAY never have been perceived to be needed there either.

[ March 14, 2009, 12:22 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]