Elvis Andrus

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:56 pm

Originally posted by Dyv:

Well, if nobody's ever done it before, then clearly it can't happen...

I'm expecting .265 out of him and 35 SB - with potential upside hitting in a bandbox with a lot of offense around him.

CAN it happen...sure. will it happen...100+ years, or basically, the entire history of MLB says no.

the "house" bet is a resounding "No F'n way". i realize the draft is over and some of you already bought in to him, so there's no going back.

i suggest beginning to look at your league's waiver wire for MI with speed.

man, if i had a baseabll website, you andrus supporters could have known this info and stayed away. again, i use history as my "supporting documents", you use "ya, but he can do it. i believe".

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:59 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

Two very reliable sources tell me he's already a clubhouse fave with tons of energy that this team needs. All these pros outweigh the cons for me right now. Two very reliable sources -1

History of MLB +1

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:00 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

Andrus, the JR Towles of 2009? Hmmmmmm. very good comp!!!!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:02 pm

Originally posted by Dyv:

So the dude is fast and we all agree he can get on base 30% of the time. dyv - who is agreeing on the 30% stuff? i'll say it's closer to 25-27%.

UP Projection for Andrus: 260 avg, 20sb

DOWN Projection for Andrus: 200 avg, 5sb, in minors before all star break

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:38 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Dyv:

So the dude is fast and we all agree he can get on base 30% of the time. dyv - who is agreeing on the 30% stuff? i'll say it's closer to 25-27%.

UP Projection for Andrus: 260 avg, 20sb

DOWN Projection for Andrus: 200 avg, 5sb, in minors before all star break [/QUOTE]OBP = .300

BA = .260

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:52 pm

Omar Vizquel

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:19 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

Two very reliable sources tell me he's already a clubhouse fave with tons of energy that this team needs. All these pros outweigh the cons for me right now. Two very reliable sources -1

History of MLB +1

[/QUOTE]Elijah Dukes has done what in his career?

I'll take a gamer like Andrus over a headcase any day.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:26 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

Elijah Dukes has done what in his career?

I'll take a gamer like Andrus over a headcase any day. in 460 MLB at bats...

23hr and 15sb

last year his avg went up to .264 with an obp of .386

gamer -1

headcase +1

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:27 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

Elijah Dukes has done what in his career?

I'll take a gamer like Andrus over a headcase any day. in 460 MLB at bats...

23hr and 15sb

last year his avg went up to .264 with an obp of .386

gamer -1

headcase +1

[/QUOTE]What's his career average?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:28 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

What's his career average? crappy, just like most younger players. his avg would be much lower if he was only 20

however, it improved last year and that's what it's all about

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:30 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

What's his career average? crappy, just like most younger players. his avg would be much lower if he was only 20

however, it improved last year and that's what it's all about

[/QUOTE]correct..Andrus improved to .295 in AA at age of 19.

Top 2% of 19 year olds in AA.

[ March 24, 2009, 09:31 PM: Message edited by: JohnZ ]

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:33 pm

It was/is a very hitter friendly league. Not that Andrus is bad, but that has to be part of the equation.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:41 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

It was/is a very hitter friendly league. Not that Andrus is bad, but that has to be part of the equation. so is the Rangers lineup and ballpark.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:43 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

Elijah Dukes has done what in his career?

I'll take a gamer like Andrus over a headcase any day. also an indicator i look at is obp and exb/ab.

given players with over 100 at bats last year IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES, only 3 had a better obp AND xbh/ab ratio that were either younger than dukes or only one year older. their names...

Markakis, Nick

Wright, David

Ramirez, Hanley

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:43 pm

Only he won't be going against "kids" that are working on their game that are 4-5 years away from the show. He'll be going against Liriano, Beckett, Lackey, etc.

If he does well, good for him and good for the people who drafted him. Kudos. Just a gutsy pick this year imho.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:46 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

Elijah Dukes has done what in his career?

I'll take a gamer like Andrus over a headcase any day. also an indicator i look at is obp and exb/ab.

given players with over 100 at bats last year IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES, only 3 had a better obp AND xbh/ab ratio that were either younger than dukes or only one year older. their names...

Markakis, Nick

Wright, David

Ramirez, Hanley

[/QUOTE]to small sample size as you like to say. 81 games is caca.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:48 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

to small sample size as you like to say. 81 games is caca. i agree it's small, but it sure is good data to help support my case for buying dukes!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:50 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

to small sample size as you like to say. 81 games is caca. also, if dukes played 150+ games last year, he would be drafted in the 4th-5th rounds this year. next year, dukes will be a 4th or 5th round pick. if everything goes right, dare i say 3rd round.

he's still a wrok in progress and his contact rae is still a serious concern for me.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:51 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

Only he won't be going against "kids" that are working on their game that are 4-5 years away from the show. He'll be going against Liriano, Beckett, Lackey, etc.

If he does well, good for him and good for the people who drafted him. Kudos. Just a gutsy pick this year imho. correct... but hopefully he'll be like Kinsler and bunt for 10 extra hits and raise his average 20 points over the doom and gloom. The guys got a head for the game. Something GG can't put a stat on, but why I put Kinsler at .290 last year and got laughed at for.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:54 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by JohnZ:

to small sample size as you like to say. 81 games is caca. also, if dukes played 150+ games last year, he would be drafted in the 4th-5th rounds this year. next year, dukes will be a 4th or 5th round pick. if everything goes right, dare i say 3rd round.

he's still a wrok in progress and his contact rae is still a serious concern for me. [/QUOTE]If...If...If... If..

Dukes breaks down all the time. He'll never get there. Luckily, you're a great grinder.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:54 pm

Fair enough. Again, good luck to you and everyone who has him.

As for Dukes. I kinda agree with Gekko. But with a crowded OF and his constant off field problems, is 400 ab's feasible? If so, there are good numbers to be had.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:57 pm

Originally posted by JohnZ:

He'll never get there. this from someone who is banking their season on a 20 year old SS. Priceless!!!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:57 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

As for Dukes. I kinda agree with Gekko. But with a crowded OF and his constant off field problems, is 400 ab's feasible? If so, there are good numbers to be had. remember, draft skills.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 4:51 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

remember, draft skills with heart, desire and brains. [/QUOTE]Dukes has one of four. Elvis leaves the building each night with all four.

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:12 am

The only thing that would concern me in regards to Dukes are his legs - can he keep them healthy - I say the odds are 50/50 at best that his wheels don't give him problems again this year.

I wouldn't really worry about his "mindset" because it seemed to me that Manny Acta had a good handle on how to control that aspcet of Dukes' personality - but still history has shown that the guy will likely battle leg injuries again at some point this year.