I'd like to see someone pro-Elvis set anover/under for games played (non-minor leagues) this season.
Oh...and by the way...Gordon Gekko was Michael Douglas, but Gordon Gekko II should be...
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
I'd like to see someone pro-Elvis set anover/under for games played (non-minor leagues) this season.
I'm projecting Elvis with 450 AB, you can pull out games from that if you feel like it
I think 450 AB with a 30% OBP is very manageable for the kid. Give him 135 times on base and I think he'll steal 35. Besides, he turns 21 in August, so at that point Gekko can like him
[ March 25, 2009, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Dyv ]
I'd like to see someone pro-Elvis set anover/under for games played (non-minor leagues) this season.
I'm projecting Elvis with 450 AB, you can pull out games from that if you feel like it
I think 450 AB with a 30% OBP is very manageable for the kid. Give him 135 times on base and I think he'll steal 35. Besides, he turns 21 in August, so at that point Gekko can like him
[ March 25, 2009, 03:52 PM: Message edited by: Dyv ]
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Originally posted by Ryan Carey:
And the Phelps analogy while cute isn't relavant. Phelps had already gone 7 for 7 with 6 gold medals in the previous Olympics - so the 8 Golds was well within his reach and he was already the best swimmer in the world. Not a rookie who'll be facing MLB pitching for the first time.If Andrus is a pothead, you can kiss those 30+ SBs goodbye...
And the Phelps analogy while cute isn't relavant. Phelps had already gone 7 for 7 with 6 gold medals in the previous Olympics - so the 8 Golds was well within his reach and he was already the best swimmer in the world. Not a rookie who'll be facing MLB pitching for the first time.If Andrus is a pothead, you can kiss those 30+ SBs goodbye...
Been way too long at sea....
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by bustouts:
Like anything else, its risk vs reward....depends where u drafted him. I'd rather have someone with tremendous upside than someone thats average. i guess you are right. he might have made sense in the 29th or 30th round. i'm guessing not many owners got him there... [/QUOTE]Where did he go anyways... ? He shouldnt have gone before the second break....
quote:Originally posted by bustouts:
Like anything else, its risk vs reward....depends where u drafted him. I'd rather have someone with tremendous upside than someone thats average. i guess you are right. he might have made sense in the 29th or 30th round. i'm guessing not many owners got him there... [/QUOTE]Where did he go anyways... ? He shouldnt have gone before the second break....
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I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here.
[ March 26, 2009, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here.
[ March 26, 2009, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
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I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same.
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I am on the non-Elvis bandwagon. Besides everything else, he is a former top-rated Braves farmhand. Just like Andy Marte and David Nied.
Not trying to jinx all my friends who have Elvis, and I have been wrong before, but showing my Missouri/Missouri credentials, show me first.
Not trying to jinx all my friends who have Elvis, and I have been wrong before, but showing my Missouri/Missouri credentials, show me first.
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks.
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks.
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Originally posted by Bama:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person....
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person....
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by Bama:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]hahaha. i had the pleasure of being in a league with ken. i'm not sure there are many straighter shooters in the NFBC. he calls em as he sees em, that's for sure. he's a riot.
quote:Originally posted by Bama:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]hahaha. i had the pleasure of being in a league with ken. i'm not sure there are many straighter shooters in the NFBC. he calls em as he sees em, that's for sure. he's a riot.
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Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
[/qb]I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though.
[/qb]I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though.
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Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
It was a joke not a defense. You know a joke a way to rub something in a bit without calling people a bunch of nasty names like well... you do. I checked your track record my advice would be for you to spend more time on actually researching players and a little less time cracking the code that Crazy like a Fox and I are actually the same person. Most regular message board posters have already known that for a long time...
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
It was a joke not a defense. You know a joke a way to rub something in a bit without calling people a bunch of nasty names like well... you do. I checked your track record my advice would be for you to spend more time on actually researching players and a little less time cracking the code that Crazy like a Fox and I are actually the same person. Most regular message board posters have already known that for a long time...
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Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny.
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/qb][/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/quote]
Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny.
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Originally posted by Scott Boras:
quote:Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/quote]
Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends.
quote:Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QB][/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/quote]
i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/quote]
Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends.
Elvis Andrus
Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:
quote:Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/QUOTE]i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/quote]
Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends. [/QB][/quote]
Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, soft-side, hurting someone's feelings, rubbing something in. All I know is that I apparently can't get through a post, we cannot get through a post unless we comment on someone's feelings getting hurt. And granted, the post's themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on these post's. That f**king heart and soul that we put into these post's, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over to the people. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago.
i never said that you and crazy were the same person; just that you two starred in a Jack Horner production together.
as for my track record in the nfbc, it blows. i'll be the first to admit it. i was in two leagues (main even and a satelite) in 2007, and didn't finish well. that's all i've done in this format. but, i put my dancing shoes on baby, and jumped into a slow draft, auction league, on-line championship, and main event. we'll see how it turns out this year. something tells me i'm gonna win some money.
quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:
quote:Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QB][/QUOTE]i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/quote]
Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends. [/QB][/quote]
Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, soft-side, hurting someone's feelings, rubbing something in. All I know is that I apparently can't get through a post, we cannot get through a post unless we comment on someone's feelings getting hurt. And granted, the post's themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on these post's. That f**king heart and soul that we put into these post's, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over to the people. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago.
i never said that you and crazy were the same person; just that you two starred in a Jack Horner production together.
as for my track record in the nfbc, it blows. i'll be the first to admit it. i was in two leagues (main even and a satelite) in 2007, and didn't finish well. that's all i've done in this format. but, i put my dancing shoes on baby, and jumped into a slow draft, auction league, on-line championship, and main event. we'll see how it turns out this year. something tells me i'm gonna win some money.
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Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:
quote:Originally posted by Jim Young:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QUOTE]i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/QUOTE]Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends. [/QB][/quote]
Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, soft-side, hurting someone's feelings, rubbing something in. All I know is that I apparently can't get through a post, we cannot get through a post unless we comment on someone's feelings getting hurt. And granted, the post's themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on these post's. That f**king heart and soul that we put into these post's, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over to the people. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago.
i never said that you and crazy were the same person; just that you two starred in a Jack Horner production together.
as for my track record in the nfbc, it blows. i'll be the first to admit it. i was in two leagues (main even and a satelite) in 2007, and didn't finish well. that's all i've done in this format. but, i put my dancing shoes on baby, and jumped into a slow draft, auction league, on-line championship, and main event. we'll see how it turns out this year. something tells me i'm gonna win some money. [/QB][/quote]
Pretty much every post you make tells me I should not like you. However, anyone who knows this much about Boogie Nights cannot be all that bad. So good luck this season and remember the scene where Jack's boss walks up to Marky Mark and introduces himself and simply says Jack says you have a big c*ck. Priceless Be careful if Gekko asks you to go out and see his new car too.. He would have to tell himself how stupid he is and hit himself in the head repeatedly.
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I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]Bama/Ken, I hope to meet you some day from your posts you just seem like you would be a heck of a nice person.... [/QUOTE]Did I miss something? Is Crazy Like A Fox Brock Landers? Are Crazy and Chest Rockwell re-uniting to make "Angels Live On My Fantasy Baseball Message Board". I realize I am pretty new to these boards, but I feel like everytime someone makes a post ripping on Crazy, Reed Rothchild steps in to defend him.
I mean, I'm all for Crazy to keep rocking and rolling, and to keep making better posts. I think he can defend himself though. [/QUOTE]i gotta disagree. chest used to have a reputation for being a little harsh when he disagreed with someone. reading him stick up for the little guy is a nice change. not to mention his comment was pretty funny. [/QB][/QUOTE]Thanks I am glad you have noticed my softer side. I just realized my sense of humor does not translate well to these boards sometimes. I could continue hurting someone's feelings or change. I chose to try to change. These boards are what they are, which is often times a 5 minute break from a stressful and sometimes boring job.
Lots of nice people in the nfbc and I am happy to call a lot of guys friends. [/QB][/quote]
Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, soft-side, hurting someone's feelings, rubbing something in. All I know is that I apparently can't get through a post, we cannot get through a post unless we comment on someone's feelings getting hurt. And granted, the post's themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on these post's. That f**king heart and soul that we put into these post's, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over to the people. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago.
i never said that you and crazy were the same person; just that you two starred in a Jack Horner production together.
as for my track record in the nfbc, it blows. i'll be the first to admit it. i was in two leagues (main even and a satelite) in 2007, and didn't finish well. that's all i've done in this format. but, i put my dancing shoes on baby, and jumped into a slow draft, auction league, on-line championship, and main event. we'll see how it turns out this year. something tells me i'm gonna win some money. [/QB][/quote]
Pretty much every post you make tells me I should not like you. However, anyone who knows this much about Boogie Nights cannot be all that bad. So good luck this season and remember the scene where Jack's boss walks up to Marky Mark and introduces himself and simply says Jack says you have a big c*ck. Priceless Be careful if Gekko asks you to go out and see his new car too.. He would have to tell himself how stupid he is and hit himself in the head repeatedly.
Elvis Andrus
Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I think Doughboys wins this thread.
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I think Doughboys wins this thread.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I don't think Young at 3rd base is set in stone. That's what they're going with right now. I remember everyone getting their panties in a twist last year when Piniella was talking about Soriano hitting 3rd and you know how long that lasted.
If Andrus does end up struggling (.220) or .190, they will send him down to get more experience. And they certainly would not go more than two months if he's hitting near the Mendoza Line.
I don't think there's been too many 20 year olds you can point to and say, "that guy is ready for the show". I also don't think you can take his numbers in AA and somehow translate them into major league numbers such as .270-10-60-45 steals. I have seen projections like this and I shake my head. The majors is a totally different environment, the pressure is ten-fold, and the pitching is so much more advanced.
People can disagree with me if they want, the odds are hugely stacked against this guy for playing a full season in the majors, let alone producing anything remotely helpful to a fantasy team.
I would much rather draft an Eric Young Jr. in the 30th who is 23 years old, and even starting the year in AAA I believe will end up more helpful to fantasy owners this year. We'll see.
I'm really surprised this thread is so long.
Why all the interest in such a longshot?
Geez. I'd rather talk about Aaron Hill who's actually done something before.
[ March 27, 2009, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I don't think Young at 3rd base is set in stone. That's what they're going with right now. I remember everyone getting their panties in a twist last year when Piniella was talking about Soriano hitting 3rd and you know how long that lasted.
If Andrus does end up struggling (.220) or .190, they will send him down to get more experience. And they certainly would not go more than two months if he's hitting near the Mendoza Line.
I don't think there's been too many 20 year olds you can point to and say, "that guy is ready for the show". I also don't think you can take his numbers in AA and somehow translate them into major league numbers such as .270-10-60-45 steals. I have seen projections like this and I shake my head. The majors is a totally different environment, the pressure is ten-fold, and the pitching is so much more advanced.
People can disagree with me if they want, the odds are hugely stacked against this guy for playing a full season in the majors, let alone producing anything remotely helpful to a fantasy team.
I would much rather draft an Eric Young Jr. in the 30th who is 23 years old, and even starting the year in AAA I believe will end up more helpful to fantasy owners this year. We'll see.
I'm really surprised this thread is so long.
Why all the interest in such a longshot?
Geez. I'd rather talk about Aaron Hill who's actually done something before.
[ March 27, 2009, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
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Elvis Andrus
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Originally posted by Bama:
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]I'm not trying to influence anybody. One thing I don't ever do is give misinformation. I give my honest point of view every time and that's no bullshit. It's kinda funny when different people are giving their point of view, then Crazy says something and the fit hits the shan. Calm down people. I can see there's some animosity from a few, sounds like built up estrogen.
It's easy for many to act "tough" on these boards, it's much harder to show character, try going for the latter next time.
Thanks to Chest and others who support me. I just try to be a contributor to the board, that's it.
And as far as throwing crap till something sticks, it's more like filet mignon.
[ March 26, 2009, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
I think what people fail to mention is the extreme possibility (in my eyes around 60%) this guy ends up in AAA at some point. The most likely scenario is Elvis struggles, hits .220 something, gets sent down, Young moves back to shortstop and Blalock feels healthy enough to play third.
I don't see upside, I see utter disappointment with this guy. It's one thing to take a risk on a guy like this in the 25+ rounds as a bench player but he's going much earlier.
Even if this guy was 4 years older, he's still making the jump from AA, which is quite a jump for anybody. There have been players in the past who have made that jump successfully but they weren't 20 years old who have the added extreme pressure of pushing an all-star into another position.
I see nothing but red flags here. I dont know who's full of more bullshit on this board, you or the gekko monster. Yall must be in a contest or something. Still trying to influence the weak i guess, not sure what the point is though. you going to do a league or just throwing out crap till something sticks. [/QUOTE]I'm not trying to influence anybody. One thing I don't ever do is give misinformation. I give my honest point of view every time and that's no bullshit. It's kinda funny when different people are giving their point of view, then Crazy says something and the fit hits the shan. Calm down people. I can see there's some animosity from a few, sounds like built up estrogen.
It's easy for many to act "tough" on these boards, it's much harder to show character, try going for the latter next time.
Thanks to Chest and others who support me. I just try to be a contributor to the board, that's it.
And as far as throwing crap till something sticks, it's more like filet mignon.
[ March 26, 2009, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I smell a bet Doughboys. $20 that Young gets shortstop eligibility in 2010?
You sound so sure of yourself.
I can see the point about Elvis. He could be sent down to Tupelo or Memphis. But Young is staying at 3rd base. His range has gotten continually worse. He's a gamer and would go back if asked, but I don't think the Rangers will be asking.
They can take a hit offensively for the range at ss. I think they'll give Elvis every chance, even if he does hit .220. I see him benched on a lot of fantasy teams before the Rangers do the same. I smell a bet Doughboys. $20 that Young gets shortstop eligibility in 2010?
You sound so sure of yourself.
"Hit a home run - put your head down, drop the bat, run around the bases, because the name on the front is more - a lot more important than the name on the back."
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I've read through the "historical data" of stolen bases by age. What I have not seen yet is a discussion of the experience level of the "historical comps" versus Elvis Andrus.
Andrus has 4 seasons of minor league experience as a result of signing at the age of 16 out of Venezuela.
It is likely that many, if not all, of the players he's being compared to at age 20 had at most 2 years of professional experience.
Below is one player comparison of Elvis Andrus to Delino DeShields. These are their cumulative minor league statistics prior to their rookie seasons.
Minor League Stats:
code:Player Pos Age G AB H BA HR RBI R SB CS OPS
Elvis Andrus ss 19 407 1598 439 0.275 15 185 256 125 50 0.704
Delino Deshields ss 20 334 1155 291 0.252 19 104 214 142 46 0.757
[/QUOTE]Deshields was a year older than Andrus heading into his rookie season, but had less professional experience. 1 fewer seasons and 443 fewer AB.
DeShields was moved to 2B for his rookie year with the Expos because, quite frankly, Spike Owen could not be budged off SS.
DeShields' rookie season (age21)- 499 AB, .289 BA, 4 HR, 45 RBI, 69 R, 42 SB
I don't think that Andrus will get 30+ SB this season. But I don't think it is a "Once in a Century" event if he does. He does have almost 1600 professional AB which is probably more important than 9 or 10 months of age.
Edit: Sorry for the misalignment of the category header! I'm not smart enough to post a table yet.
[ March 27, 2009, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: The Phoenix ]
Andrus has 4 seasons of minor league experience as a result of signing at the age of 16 out of Venezuela.
It is likely that many, if not all, of the players he's being compared to at age 20 had at most 2 years of professional experience.
Below is one player comparison of Elvis Andrus to Delino DeShields. These are their cumulative minor league statistics prior to their rookie seasons.
Minor League Stats:
code:Player Pos Age G AB H BA HR RBI R SB CS OPS
Elvis Andrus ss 19 407 1598 439 0.275 15 185 256 125 50 0.704
Delino Deshields ss 20 334 1155 291 0.252 19 104 214 142 46 0.757
[/QUOTE]Deshields was a year older than Andrus heading into his rookie season, but had less professional experience. 1 fewer seasons and 443 fewer AB.
DeShields was moved to 2B for his rookie year with the Expos because, quite frankly, Spike Owen could not be budged off SS.
DeShields' rookie season (age21)- 499 AB, .289 BA, 4 HR, 45 RBI, 69 R, 42 SB
I don't think that Andrus will get 30+ SB this season. But I don't think it is a "Once in a Century" event if he does. He does have almost 1600 professional AB which is probably more important than 9 or 10 months of age.
Edit: Sorry for the misalignment of the category header! I'm not smart enough to post a table yet.
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It's a nice argument and beautiful looking post, I like your comparison but if you've got money on the line that Andrus is going to be a useful pick, do you really think the odds are with him?
What are the odds he has a similar season to Delino?
2 in 100?
My point is regardless if someone else has succeeded in a similar situation or not, you have to weigh the odds in this particular situation.
This is probably a horrible analogy. You buy 2 scratchers at 12-1 to win cash. You win cash with the first scratcher, do you expect the odds to change with the 2nd? In other words, just because Delino did this (I appreciate the fact you had to go back 19 years to find a similar situation in your favor) doesn't mean the odds of this occurrence happening again will be more favorable. It's still a longshot Elvis has a successful season.
Side note: Delino hit .238 the next year.
[ March 27, 2009, 02:00 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
What are the odds he has a similar season to Delino?
2 in 100?
My point is regardless if someone else has succeeded in a similar situation or not, you have to weigh the odds in this particular situation.
This is probably a horrible analogy. You buy 2 scratchers at 12-1 to win cash. You win cash with the first scratcher, do you expect the odds to change with the 2nd? In other words, just because Delino did this (I appreciate the fact you had to go back 19 years to find a similar situation in your favor) doesn't mean the odds of this occurrence happening again will be more favorable. It's still a longshot Elvis has a successful season.
Side note: Delino hit .238 the next year.
[ March 27, 2009, 02:00 AM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]
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Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:
do you really think the odds are with him?
What are the odds he has a similar season to Delino?
2 in 100?
This is probably a horrible analogy. You buy 2 scratchers at 12-1 to win cash. You win cash with the first scratcher, do you expect the odds to change with the 2nd?
Crazy,
No, I do not think the odds are with him. I'm not really interested in Andrus unless it's for a Reserve. I just find some of the "once in a lifetime" arguments to be specious reasoning. I didn't really "look back 19 years" to find DeShields. He was the first comp player I thought of. I was playing Rotisserie (oops, Fantasy) Baseball back then.
Some other, not so great, MI comps:
AB= Major League exp.
Min AB= Minor League exp.
(Some of the Minor League AB are low because the players were out of the collegiate ranks)
code: Player---------- Year Ag SB AB Min AB
Elvis Andrus---- 2009 20 ?? 0 1598
Robbie Alomar--- 1988 20 24 0 1475
Delino Deshields 1990 21 42 0 1155
Luis Rivas------ 2001 21 31 58 2095
Steve Sax------- 1982 22 49 119 1532
Chuck Knoblauch- 1991 22 25 0 705
Rafael Furcal--- 2000 22 40 0 987
Jimmy Rollins--- 2001 22 46 53 2242
Hanley Ramirez-- 2006 22 51 2 1536
Juan Samuel----- 1984 23 72 65 1714
Ozzie Smith----- 1978 23 40 0 287[/QUOTE]Average Age= 21.8 (Andrus- 20)
Average SB= 42 (Andrus- ??)
Average prior Major League AB= 29.7 (Andrus- 0)
Average Minor League AB= 1372.8 (Andrus- 1598)
Is Andrus' profile so dramatically disparate that getting 30 SB is to be compared with a lightning strike?
I stretched the rules a bit by adding 2B. However, I left out the MANY Outfielders that would have large SB totals because playing SS will be more demanding.
And yes, your analogy was not good because it's flies in the face of everything that projection theory is attempting to do. Once you find the profile of 1 "scratch off ticket" player....try to find another.
do you really think the odds are with him?
What are the odds he has a similar season to Delino?
2 in 100?
This is probably a horrible analogy. You buy 2 scratchers at 12-1 to win cash. You win cash with the first scratcher, do you expect the odds to change with the 2nd?
Crazy,
No, I do not think the odds are with him. I'm not really interested in Andrus unless it's for a Reserve. I just find some of the "once in a lifetime" arguments to be specious reasoning. I didn't really "look back 19 years" to find DeShields. He was the first comp player I thought of. I was playing Rotisserie (oops, Fantasy) Baseball back then.
Some other, not so great, MI comps:
AB= Major League exp.
Min AB= Minor League exp.
(Some of the Minor League AB are low because the players were out of the collegiate ranks)
code: Player---------- Year Ag SB AB Min AB
Elvis Andrus---- 2009 20 ?? 0 1598
Robbie Alomar--- 1988 20 24 0 1475
Delino Deshields 1990 21 42 0 1155
Luis Rivas------ 2001 21 31 58 2095
Steve Sax------- 1982 22 49 119 1532
Chuck Knoblauch- 1991 22 25 0 705
Rafael Furcal--- 2000 22 40 0 987
Jimmy Rollins--- 2001 22 46 53 2242
Hanley Ramirez-- 2006 22 51 2 1536
Juan Samuel----- 1984 23 72 65 1714
Ozzie Smith----- 1978 23 40 0 287[/QUOTE]Average Age= 21.8 (Andrus- 20)
Average SB= 42 (Andrus- ??)
Average prior Major League AB= 29.7 (Andrus- 0)
Average Minor League AB= 1372.8 (Andrus- 1598)
Is Andrus' profile so dramatically disparate that getting 30 SB is to be compared with a lightning strike?
I stretched the rules a bit by adding 2B. However, I left out the MANY Outfielders that would have large SB totals because playing SS will be more demanding.
And yes, your analogy was not good because it's flies in the face of everything that projection theory is attempting to do. Once you find the profile of 1 "scratch off ticket" player....try to find another.