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Post by poopy tooth » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:00 am

Gekko - nice draft, but to me biggest risk is in Pujols...don't LaRussa's "big" guys have links to PED's??? :D



Seriously, some great value and some early picks. I also went from 2 hole and you do have to sometimes pick a little ahead of schedule, in case they get snatched up in next set of 28 picks.



I like Ramirez, thought he was going to come back to me in 4th round, when owners kept passing on him.



Look forward to this year!



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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:21 am

Originally posted by poopy tooth:

Gekko - nice draft, but to me biggest risk is in Pujols...don't LaRussa's "big" guys have links to PED's??? :D

IMO poodles is the safest pick of the Big Four

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Post by MGBMARTY » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:34 am

Hey Mark

Not too bad of a team Was hoping for NL CY winner Billingsley in 5th but you got him. I too as you saw whom and when I took certain players do not go by ADP example N Cruz. Think the team is decent though Home runs and Rbi's could fall short. You need Thome actually to hit 28-30 with 90 rbi's. Speed is exceptional Like Ramirez too whether he hits 2nd or 6th. Think my guy might bat 2nd Getz but the missle is solid. The way pitchers flew off the board in our draft Beckett and Billingsley is nice foundation. Looking forward to this year Was going to post my team but did not want to embarass myself lol.



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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:38 am

Originally posted by MGBMARTY:

Think the team is decent though Home runs and Rbi's could fall short. You need Thome actually to hit 28-30 with 90 rbi's. hey marty...nice catching up with you. a blast as usual.



as for the hr/rbi comment, was that directed to my team? if it is, my team grades out to 280+ hr (using my undercut #'s)....for instance, i only have thome down for 25 this year. if i used some of the inflated projections that most people use, i'd have my team hitting 300 hr. add up the numbers and you'll see i got em! ;)



Good luck this year.

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Post by Schwks » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:29 am

This is the team that 2000 hours of research uncovers? Lots of question marks...your entire OF has upside but nothing proven except Torrii who has too many i's in his name and is on the decline. Your staff is questionable after top 2 or threee. I also dont see where the 280 HR come in or where there is enough speed, K's wins, saves...maybe Im off
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Post by Schwks » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:33 am

CAn you win 100k with a staff of Bill, Beckett, Jurjens, Marshall, Zimmerman, Happ? Am I way off base here?
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:42 am

Originally posted by Schwks:

This is the team that 2000 hours of research uncovers? Lots of question marks...your entire OF has upside but nothing proven except Torrii who has too many i's in his name and is on the decline. Your staff is questionable after top 2 or threee. I also dont see where the 280 HR come in or where there is enough speed, K's wins, saves...maybe Im off i know my track record. what is yours?



if you don't see the #'s, it's becuase you haven't done enough prep. sorry to be the one to break it to you.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:43 am

Originally posted by Schwks:

CAn you win 100k with a staff of Bill, Beckett, Jurjens, Marshall, Zimmerman, Happ? Am I way off base here? again, your prep time is what's limiting your mind

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Post by EliGrimmett » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:51 am

I see the 280+ HR with my projections, and I sure thought mine were on the conservative side, too.



GG, I'm curious what your actual projections are for each of the 10 cats for your team? Are you thinking you'll have more than the 150 SB's that I see?
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:53 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

I see the 280+ HR with my projections, and I sure thought mine were on the conservative side, too.



GG, I'm curious what your actual projections are for each of the 10 cats for your team? Are you thinking you'll have more than the 150 SB's that I see? ya, it's 280 easy for hr. rbi/run can always flucuate so i don't really look at them as much. sb i got at 150 (without counting mccutchen). :D



backend pitching needs work, but when doesn't it? :D

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Post by Crazy Like a Fox » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:54 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

I’m only in one on-line championship league, and my strategy for that (12 teamer) is different than I used for the main event (15 teamer). So, there are no worries in posting my main event team. If you have opinions, please post them. Thanks in advance.



From the 2 hole…

1 Poodles

2 Alex Ramirez

3 McCann

4 Billingsly

5 Beckett

6 Broxton

7 Hunter

8 Iannetta

9 J.Lopez

10 Milledge

11 A.Jones

12 E.Dukes

13 C.Gomez

14 Jurrgens

15 Lyon

16 Thome

17 Blake

18 S.Marshall

19 Zimmerman

20 A.Cabrera

21 Smoltz

22 Arrendondo

23 Blanton

24 Owings

25 Overbay (I think)

26 Happ

27 A.McCutchen

28 Crede (I think)

29 Saito

30 J.Lewis I don't see a problem with jumping for players if they are the "right" players. You "reached" pretty far on close to half your first 10 picks, I hope you're right about them.



The positive: Power and steals are exceptional.

It's obvious you had goals and hit them. BA might be a slight problem here. There's more than a few guys who hit for a higher avg than I'd anticipate in 2009.



I see your base projection for Alexei and it's reasonable but you forgot to mention a glaring weakness in Alexei's game that few people notice, his lack of runs. His .317 on-base percentage hitting low in the lineup is a big indicator. He will probably score around 75 runs in 150 game season. His power looks to be for real. Even if he gives you 25 homers, his BA could seriously be around .260-270 with low runs and 15 steals.

He's scary to me. So scary that the top 4 rounds are better off passing, yet you got him in the 2nd. He could be this year's Tulowitzki. You might hit on him, I think the risk outweighs the reward though.



Jose Lopez broke out last year and was consistent but he did hit .252 just a year earlier. He might be closer to .280 this year.

McCann's another guy who I think is a little overrated this year. You could have gotten V-mart in the 4th or 5th and gotten similar numbers albeit with 10+ more runs. V-mart's advantage over all the other catchers is his 550 at-bats he gets as he DH's here and there. Most catchers get 450-500. Before last year's injury, V-mart had 3 years in a row with a .300+ BA, McCann hit .270 in 2007 so that .300 BA isn't something you should write in stone.



Torii Hunter was an excellent pick in the 7th round, it's funny how much he has dropped.



Adam Jones is a great upside pick this year.



If I just look at your individual picks on offense I'm not entirely impressed, but if I look at the whole, it's very solid. Excellent job. I like the fact that you go after guys you like without focusing too much on the ADP, which is the kiss of death.



Your pitching is another story:



3 of your top 7 starting pitchers are still trying to win the 5th spot in their own rotation. :eek:



Josh Beckett (could be in line for the CY, pray he stays healthy) Nice pick.



Billingsley - You went overboard for Billingsley. I'm not as enthusiastic as most but of course there's upside. Don't be surprised to see a similar season to 2008 though. That whip will continue to be in a rough territory with that high walk output. Sure, he could win a Cy Young if everything fell right, but that whip isn't something you're going to like. Half his months last year he had a whip of 1.48++. He just walks too many hitters now. It's kind of hard to predict breakout performance from a pitcher if his control is not as great as you want. That's not something you can flip a switch on. Don't get me wrong, Chad has big upside in the coming years, if he improves his control just a little bit from last year then you've got real nice pick there. That pick makes me think you might pay too close attention to Shandler.



Still, top 2 starters are very good, and probably better than 2/3 of the league.



Jair Jurrjens is a very nice pitcher, I expect him to have an even better year this year.



Top 3 starters look solid, then the bottom falls apart.



Sean Marshall (could be improved this year, might be a drop)



Jordan Zimmerman (might get sent down)



John Smoltz (I like this pick ALOT but he's on your bench for 2 months), you've got to have solid pitchers in place.



Blanton - He looked great in the postseason, but I'm not really understanding this pick.



Micah Owings - My #1 true sleeper - has the potential to be your 3rd best starter.



Maybe I missed something, I only see 6 SP's who will actually start the year in the rotation,



I see a lot of question marks in your pitching. Too many. A lot of responses have been, you have hit your projections (offense) yada yada, what kind of projections does everyone see for your pitching staff? :eek:



You do get respect because you've won, deservedly. If you win with THAT team, then you have my ultimate respect. I've heard you're a real nice guy outside of the message boards, I hope you bring some more of that into your board presence.



I'm sure we disagree about your team here, but you have won in this format, and I have not.



Good luck on your season.
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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:57 am

crazy - thanks for the honest opinion. unfortunately, i believe you are on the backend of the curve in regards to my backend pitching. just like people didn't believe in volquez, cueto, duscshsheererer, saunders last year, and other backend SP the year b4. these are the guys i wanted and got. if your numbers don't agree with them, you need to find out where YOU went wrong ;)

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Post by Quahogs » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:01 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

I see the 280+ HR with my projections, and I sure thought mine were on the conservative side, too.



GG, I'm curious what your actual projections are for each of the 10 cats for your team? Are you thinking you'll have more than the 150 SB's that I see? ya, it's 280 easy for hr. rbi/run can always flucuate so i don't really look at them as much. sb i got at 150 (without counting mccutchen). :D



backend pitching needs work, but when doesn't it? :D
[/QUOTE]Nice catching up with you live again Mark.



Last year Duch 23 Saunders 26 Volq 28 fortified your staff. I don't see those (type) guys in the back 10 this year ;)

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:02 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:



GG, I'm curious what your actual projections are for each of the 10 cats for your team? SP categories i don't estimate. that's the easiest categories to manipulate.



i have three standards when i draft:

1. hr > 260

2. avg > .280

3. sb > 140



this is all using conservative projections as well. i've seen a projection for 30 sb for adam jones. while that would be a good thing for me, i have him at 18.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:04 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Last year Duch 23 Saunders 26 Volq 28 fortified your staff. I don't see those (type) guys in the back 10 this year ;) last year i didn't have TWO front-line starters :D



you'll become a believer steve. give it time.

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Post by EliGrimmett » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:16 am

SP categories i don't estimate. that's the easiest categories to manipulate. That's why I didn't give you my opinion on your pitching staff. People's projections differ so much in regard to pitchers that it's almost pointless for anyone to say your pitching is good or bad.



It is what you think it is...until it ain't and then you fix it.



When nearly half of the Top 50 pitchers last year were drafted after round 14 it's obvious that pitcher projections are all over the board.
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Post by Crazy Like a Fox » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:18 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

crazy - thanks for the honest opinion. unfortunately, i believe you are on the backend of the curve in regards to my backend pitching. just like people didn't believe in volquez, cueto, duscshsheererer, saunders last year, and other backend SP the year b4. these are the guys i wanted and got. if your numbers don't agree with them, you need to find out where YOU went wrong ;) I was big on Volquez and Duchscherer last year.



The only thing I disagree with you here is you're spelling of Duchscherer.



Duscshsheererereeeeeer? :D



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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:19 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

[QUOTE] When nearly half of the Top 50 pitchers last year were drafted after round 14 it's obvious that pitcher projections are all over the board. i did not know that. i do know that marshall will win some ballgames and have some k's. does he pitch 100 innings or 150 innings? who knows? i also know that rih harden and zambrano are in the rotation and are clear candidates to break down, thus benefiting marshall's numbers.



sounds good in theory at least :D

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Post by GOD Loves You » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:19 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:



From the 2 hole…

1 Poodles

2 Alex Ramirez

3 McCann

4 Billingsly

5 Beckett

6 Broxton

7 Hunter

8 Iannetta

9 J.Lopez

10 Milledge

11 A.Jones

12 E.Dukes

13 C.Gomez

14 Jurrgens

15 Lyon

16 Thome

17 Blake

18 S.Marshall

19 Zimmerman

20 A.Cabrera

21 Smoltz

22 Arrendondo

23 Blanton

24 Owings

25 Overbay (I think)

26 Happ

27 A.McCutchen

28 Crede (I think)

29 Saito

30 J.Lewis Love the catching combo. Have been attempting to get both in many of my drafts as well. Really like your offense, except for 3B, but I'm sure those guys will be serviceable. The OF is going to be huge surprise for those who aren't "in the know". Although, I don't think McCutchen is going to do what you think.



Personally, I would've selected another SP 1(never been a fan of Beckett) and another CL 2...Lyon might implode....but you did a fantastic job on speculating on saves DURING the draft.



Agree about the backend SP's. But this is something you can slowly remedy during the season. Would love to know the rationale behind Blanton. Also, I think you might've been misled by the spring on a few of the young'uns. But that's why we play, to see who knows more.



Probably going to have to work harder on this team than previous ones.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:20 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

I was big on Volquez and Duchscherer last year.



The only thing I disagree with you here is you're spelling of Duchscherer.



Duscshsheererereeeeeer? :D one thin i'm bad at is spelling and pronouncing player names! they are just numbers/stats to me

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:22 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Probably going to have to work harder on this team than previous ones. nah, this one will be the easiest. i trust stats, and not the stats that everyone else looks at. whip and era mean about zero to me.

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Post by EliGrimmett » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:24 am

I should clarify my statement before I get beaten down by the crowd.



According to Roto Times Player Rater 24 of the Top 50 Starting Pitchers, according to their final 2008 stats, were selected, on average, between picks 210 and 450 during the 2008 NFBC Main Event Draft.
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Post by Crazy Like a Fox » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:24 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by EliGrimmett:



GG, I'm curious what your actual projections are for each of the 10 cats for your team? SP categories i don't estimate. that's the easiest categories to manipulate.



i have three standards when i draft:

1. hr > 260

2. avg > .280

3. sb > 140



this is all using conservative projections as well. i've seen a projection for 30 sb for adam jones. while that would be a good thing for me, i have him at 18.
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Post by freddiezee » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:33 am

Like I said about many teams I've looked at - your team is good enough to win your league if you use the waiver wire well and plan your weekly moves properly.

As an aside, what percentage of teams drafted on Saturday are bad enough that they CAN'T win their league, even with reasonably effective waiver wire use? I say about 2 per league. And, how many teams were so well drafted on Saturday that they can win their league even with poor use of waivers? I say none.

Gekko, the only thing I wondered is if you could have left many of your picks until later and still got them? Many of them seemed to go significantly higher than their ADP, suggesting that maybe you could have added someone else really good somewhere in the first ten rounds and just bumped most of your other picks down a round.

That being said, I am a big believer in taking the highest ranked guy on your list and ignoring ADP. You only get one main event team per year, so it better be the players you want. From that perspective, you did a great job of getting guys you believe in.

Best of luck with your team this year.

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Post by Lost Sailor » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:34 am

Good luck, Gek. Don't really know you, but:



-You contribute tons to this board

-Your confidence is unsurpassed.. and very entertaining

-You're not in my league



So.. I hope this team wins you the $5K.
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