NFBC SpringTime

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:20 am

With the NFBC draft more than 2 weeks before the MLB season kicks off, it was a given that position battles would be decided and players would sustain injuries between the NFBC draft and the start of the season.

Here are SOME highlights...

Position battles:

1. Gregg closing over Marmol

2. Rodney closing over Lyon

3. B.J.Ryan may be a co-closer

4. Sheffield released

5. Speedy Bonifacio seemingly has starting 3b gig

Injuries:

1. Braun more significantly hurt than reported

2. Joey Devine to see Dr Andrews

3. Lackey lost for at least a month

4. Hoffman lost for at least a week

5. Duschererer lost for a while

I feel bad for the people who got hit with the injuries in the past week and a half. tough, tough news.

On to my question...

I've never had a problem drafting anytime, however is it possible to move back NFBC 2010 to the week before the season starts? Lackey owners, et al would be a LOT happier now.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:26 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

With the NFBC draft more than 2 weeks before the MLB season kicks off, it was a given that position battles would be decided and players would sustain injuries between the NFBC draft and the start of the season.

Here are SOME highlights...

Position battles:

1. Gregg closing over Marmol

2. Rodney closing over Lyon

3. B.J.Ryan may be a co-closer

4. Sheffield released

5. Speedy Bonifacio seemingly has starting 3b gig

Injuries:

1. Braun more significantly hurt than reported

2. Joey Devine to see Dr Andrews

3. Lackey lost for at least a month

4. Hoffman lost for at least a week

5. Duschererer lost for a while

I feel bad for the people who got hit with the injuries in the past week and a half. tough, tough news.

On to my question...

I've never had a problem drafting anytime, however is it possible to move back NFBC 2010 to the week before the season starts? Lackey owners, et al would be a LOT happier now. If we had drafted last weekend almost all of the things you list above still wouldn't have been known. Baseball injuries occur and crop up every day. Drafting eight days before is still a long time before Opening Day. There's no perfect time frame.

I certainly understand the desire to be as close to Opening Day as possible, but those with foresight into a lot of the positional battles also excel during our current draft schedule, too.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:58 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I certainly understand the desire to be as close to Opening Day as possible, but those with foresight into a lot of the positional battles also excel during our current draft schedule, too. agreed about all of this. as we all know, a lot can happen in the course of just one week. just curious why two weeks and not one from your perspective...

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:14 am

actually - believe that draftinf early favors the prepared players.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:16 am

you beat me to it headhunters.

it's a no win for greg. early he'll catch some flak. later, he'll catch some flak.

thankless job. but thanks for doing it greg!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:17 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

you beat me to it headhunters.

it's a no win for greg. early he'll catch some flak. later, he'll catch some flak.

thankless job. but thanks for doing it greg!! I'm going to put that on my business card: Thankless job, but thanks for doing it!!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:19 am

Besides that, a lot of problems crop up in two weeks. One week may not be enough.

Greg and Tom have to sneak some shuteye every now and then as well.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:22 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

actually - believe that draftinf early favors the prepared players. ask the lackey owners if they feel "favored"

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:24 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Besides that, a lot of problems crop up in two weeks. One week may not be enough.

Greg and Tom have to sneak some shuteye every now and then as well. the NFFC draft is held 5 days before the start of the season.

the wcoff draft is held 2 days AFTER the first game of the season!!

damn that football!!!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:28 am

Did the NFFC have online drafts this year, or are we the busted cherry?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:42 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Did the NFFC have online drafts this year, or are we the busted cherry? nffc had satellite leagues last year. they also had TWO separate main events on the saturday before the season started (first started at 10am, the second started at 4pm).

this year, i believe they are having...

1. regular satellites

2. online championship

3. TWO separate main events on the saturday before the season starts

[ April 01, 2009, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:47 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

With the NFBC draft more than 2 weeks before the MLB season kicks off, it was a given that position battles would be decided and players would sustain injuries between the NFBC draft and the start of the season.

Here are SOME highlights...

Position battles:

1. Gregg closing over Marmol

2. Rodney closing over Lyon

3. B.J.Ryan may be a co-closer

4. Sheffield released

5. Speedy Bonifacio seemingly has starting 3b gig

Injuries:

1. Braun more significantly hurt than reported

2. Joey Devine to see Dr Andrews

3. Lackey lost for at least a month

4. Hoffman lost for at least a week

5. Duschererer lost for a while

I feel bad for the people who got hit with the injuries in the past week and a half. tough, tough news.

On to my question...

I've never had a problem drafting anytime, however is it possible to move back NFBC 2010 to the week before the season starts? Lackey owners, et al would be a LOT happier now. I think GG brings up some good points here. I don't feel bad for owners who lose out over positional battles. I think the prepared/good owners come out on top most of the time with these. It's the injuries that are a killer. I'd prefer drafting one week prior to the season. I can see it being a huge hassle for Greg in terms of getting all of these rosters ready to go though in time with only one week. Either way I'll be there in 2010 and beyond!

PS I'm an owner who has taken advantage of the scenarios GG brings up. I'm just thinking of how upset I'd be if I had Lackey.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:52 am

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

I think GG brings up some good points here. I don't feel bad for owners who lose out over positional battles. I think the prepared/good owners come out on top most of the time with these. It's the injuries that are a killer. I'd prefer drafting one week prior to the season. I can see it being a huge hassle for Greg in terms of getting all of these rosters ready to go though in time with only one week. Either way I'll be there in 2010 and beyond!

PS I'm an owner who has taken advantage of the scenarios GG brings up. I'm just thinking of how upset I'd be if I had Lackey. if the main event football crowd had to draft 2 weeks before the start of the season, there would be blood in the streets!

[ April 01, 2009, 05:56 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:53 am

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

PS I'm an owner who has taken advantage of the scenarios GG brings up. I'm just thinking of how upset I'd be if I had Lackey. what if you had lackey AND braun?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:55 am

and? one is hurt, the other is fine, other than a bruised hand and ego.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:56 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

the other is fine me don't think so...

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:59 am

Braun was an injury risk on draft day. As soon as he aggravated his Rib/oblique he was a huge risk on draft day. Everyone saw how much this guy struggled with this injury last year. I was all prepared to take him @5 until the WBC injury.

What are the chances he re-aggravates it swinging for the light towers every pitch?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:00 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

the other is fine me don't think so... [/QUOTE]that is your right.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:01 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Braun was an injury risk on draft day. As soon as he aggravated his Rib/oblique he was a huge risk on draft day. Everyone saw how much this guy struggled with this injury last year. I was all prepared to take him @5 until the WBC injury.

What are the chances he re-aggravates it swinging for the light towers every pitch? 80%? that's what makes it exciting!!

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:28 pm

Im in a American auction league back home in R.I and if a player gets waived you lose him if he goes to the national league.So if Sheff signs in the national league i lose him.I paid 10 buck's for him and in an auction this would hurt.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:38 pm

I'm doing a home league draft on ESPN in less than two hours.

I've never dumped saves before, but feel tempted to try it out. 12 team 5x5, small bench same as NFBC, but two UTI and forced to start 6 SP and 3 RP.

Any tips for the no closer theory for a single league...or maybe I'll just grab the worst closers in the last part of end of the run (36 "RP") and build offense and SP.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:10 pm

Lance in a 12 team you could probably get some decent closers late in the draft.I would never plan on punting a category although sometimes a draft doesnt go to plan.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:00 pm

Is it that Lackey WAS drafted or WHEN he was drafted. There are some who view Lackey as an injury risk and therefore discounted him. He was however picked at "healthy" value. If Lackey is injured and will miss time (a common and generally expected occurance), what difference does it make if he were drafted two weeks before the season starts or one day before the season starts. It is more how early he is drafted that causes the most pain, in my opinion.

Same with positional battles. Rodney is the closer...kind of. Dukes has won the OF battle in Washington...kind of. Duncan wins in St. Louis...kind of. Was Sheffield the cinch pin in anyones drafting strategy even if he was a 40 year old DH with a full time job...kind of. And a significant number of players who have "full time" jobs won't in four weeks. It is not they are drafted, it is they are drafted too early.

Don't blame the timing of the draft on what is most of the time risky picks drafted too early. If it works, you are a "genius". If the risk comes true, the draft is too early. I just don't buy that.

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:22 pm

I think it works both ways...

Using Gregg/Marmol as an example: some owners had their reasons why they thought Marmol would win the job, others had their reasons why they thought Gregg would win the job. By drafting 2 weeks early, there are still more positional battles yet to be determined which adds to the draft.

However, there is also that extra week where injuries can occur and harm even the most-prepared owners. What if McCann's finger was fractured?

It will never be a perfect system, but, for the record, the NFBC is as close to perfect as you get. And nobody else is even close.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:08 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Is it that Lackey WAS drafted or WHEN he was drafted. There are some who view Lackey as an injury risk and therefore discounted him. He was however picked at "healthy" value. If Lackey is injured and will miss time (a common and generally expected occurance), what difference does it make if he were drafted two weeks before the season starts or one day before the season starts. It is more how early he is drafted that causes the most pain, in my opinion.

Same with positional battles. Rodney is the closer...kind of. Dukes has won the OF battle in Washington...kind of. Duncan wins in St. Louis...kind of. Was Sheffield the cinch pin in anyones drafting strategy even if he was a 40 year old DH with a full time job...kind of. And a significant number of players who have "full time" jobs won't in four weeks. It is not they are drafted, it is they are drafted too early.

Don't blame the timing of the draft on what is most of the time risky picks drafted too early. If it works, you are a "genius". If the risk comes true, the draft is too early. I just don't buy that. Well said Wayne.

The pool of players is exactly the same no matter when you draft, so there is an opportunity for your team to be better than expected by an equal amount as there is risk it could be worse than expected.

So you lost your closer? Maybe you also picked up what is now a young stud starting CF who was at the time you drafted him just a glimmer-in-your-eye hoped for mid-season callup.

I think the timing of NFBC drafts is just about perfect.