NFBC Champions Mock Draft Results

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:24 am

We are hosting our NFBC Champions Mock Draft tonight on Mock Draft Central.com, featuring all 13 NFBC league champions from 2004, our three auction league champions (two won both) and the next highest point finisher. Those 15 guys are mock drafting right now, but I thought it would be fun to provide the first couple rounds of results to everyone. The complete draft will be published in the first issue of Fantasy Sports Magazine and we'll send the final results privately to all 2004 and 2005 NFBC members via e-mail.

Let's just say these guys were ready as the first round was finished in 8 minutes and the first two rounds in 14 minutes. Let's get to the results:

First Round:

Player (Owner)

1. Albert Pujols (Dave Cushard)

2. Carlos Beltran (Emmett Ruland)

3. Alex Rodriguez (Ari Benjamin)

4. Vladimir Guerrero (Eddie Gillis)

5. Miguel Tejada (Eric Peden)

6. Todd Helton (Clark Olson)

7. Alfonso Soriano (Karl Mische)

8. Carl Crawford (Shawn Childs)

9. Bobby Abreu (Artie Rastelli)

10. Manny Ramirez (Terry Haney)

11. Randy Johnson (Aaron Seefeldt)

12. Johan Santana (Stanley Kaye)

13. Scott Rolen (Jeff Thomas)

14. Ichiro Suzuki (Joe Thelan)

15. Barry Bonds (Stephen Jupinka)

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:49 am

Round 2:

Reverse Order:

16. David Ortiz

17. Pedro Martinez

18. Edgar Renteria

19. Adrian Beltre

20. Derek Jeter

21. Gary Sheffield

22. Aramis Ramirez

23. Eric Gagne

24. Jim Thome

25. Jason Schmidt

26. Mark Prior

27. Mark Teixeira

28. Juan Pierre

29. Nomar Garciaparra

30. Curt Schilling

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:28 pm

David Ortiz as the first pick in round 2 takes me a bit by surprise. I see no real shockers in round 1.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:30 pm

How about the results from the third round while we're having fun with this:

31. Miguel Cabrera

32. Tim Hudson

33. Jimmy Rollins

34. Carlos Delgado

35. Jim Edmonds

36. Ben Sheets

37. Marcus Giles

38. Jeff Kent

39. Eric Chavez

40. Richie Sexson

41. Melvin Mora

42. Michael Young

43. Scott Podsednik

44. Aubrey Huff

45. Hank Blalock

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:45 pm

Here's the fourth round:

46. Adam Dunn

47. Derrek Lee

48. Brad Lidge

49. Victor Martinez

50. Mariano Rivera

51. Octavio Dotel

52. Vernon Wells

53. Sean Casey

54. Jorge Posada

55. Javy Lopez

56. Billy Wagner

57. Roy Oswalt

58. Kerry Wood

59. Bret Boone

60. Ivan Rodriguez

And the fifth round:

61. Keith Foulke

62. Rafael Furcal

63. Francisco Rodriguez

64. David Wright

65. Luis Castillo

66. Hideki Matsui

67. Joe Nathan

68. Orlando Cabrera

69. Carlos Guillen

70. Armando Benitez

71. Jose Reyes

72. Francisco Cordero

73. Mike Mussina

74. Mike Piazza

75. Oliver Perez

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:53 pm

Let's keep it going with the sixth round results:

76. Jake Peavy

77. Brian Roberts

78. Magglio Ordonez

79. Carlos Lee

80. Jason Isringhausen

81. Corey Patterson

82. Jason Bay

83. Edgardo Alfonzo

84. Chipper Jones

85. Trevor Hoffman

86. Shawn Green

87. Carlos Zambrano

88. Johnny Damon

89. Josh Beckett

90. Roger Clemens

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:35 pm

We'll round out the Top 100 for tonight with the seventh round picks:

91. Justin Morneau

92. Mike Lowell

93. Jason Varitek

94. Chone Figgins

95. Sammy Sosa

96. J.D. Drew

97. Mark Mulder

98. Paul Konerko

99. Rich Harden

100. John Smoltz

101. Travis Hafner

102. Danny Kolb

103. Carl Pavano

104. Brian Giles

105. Mark Loretta

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:47 pm

The Champions Mock Draft ended in about 3 1/2 hours, which is amazing for 23 rounds. Great job guys. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who participated to see how you felt it went and if you learned anything. Should be a fun year and this was a GREAT kickoff event. Results will be sent out to all NFBC members within the next week.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:31 pm

Oh Sammy! How far you have fallen!

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:45 pm

True, but how could Oswalt slip to 57? I sure hope that happens in my draft! Piazza, the most overrated pig in MLB, is a case where certain people refuse to believe that he totally sucks now, despite 5 straight years of serious decline. He would be questionable at 174, much less 74, IMHO!

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:25 pm

I think everyone did a good job. I know its not easy doing a mock draft this early and having every yahoo pick on it. Of course this is from the guy who picked Ricky Williams in the football mock draft. As far as Piazza I wouldn't call him a pig. Over rated maybe. You'd be hard press to find many catchers who've put up his stats over the years.

alexado · Post by **alexado** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:11 pm

I agree with Walla Walla about Piazza. Sure he's slipped but he's still the 3rd or 4th best fantasy player for his position.

Nevadaman · Post by **Nevadaman** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:01 pm

I won't argue the point. Suffice it to say, I hope everyone else shares your opinion!

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:50 am

Brad Lidge picked before Mariano? I agree but it surprises me a bit, even if Mariano was the third closer taken. Passing of a torch in closer-land maybe?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:22 am

Greg,

It's obvious some of the mockers had questionable picks at best. I believe they did so just to "throw off" anyone trying to use the mock draft to help slot players. Sort of turns the mock into a mockery. Going forward I suggest you have a prize for the best mocker. Run the stats at the end and see who the best is...give em 1 or 2K. do something similar for football. shame on some of the mockers. thanks.

viper · Post by **viper** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:51 am

I have seen two mock drafts so far and in both Carl Crawford was drafted in the first round. I understand the power of cheese , er, steals but I do find how Carl has jumped into the first round as one of the more interesting aspects of both drafts.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:30 am

Strictly in terms of raw value, if you believe Crawford will repeat or better his 2004 numbers, he is worthy of a late first round selection--steals are "worth" that much in terms of raw value.

That said, there are at least three reasons why I would personally pass on him in Round 1, even if he was the highest "valued" player on my board.

1. Steals are a volatile lot (ask Juan Pierre owners). I'm going to project him for at least 45, but will not have the warm and fuzzies when doing so.

2. The 2004 NFBC champions fared the worse in the SB category than the other four hitting categories. You don't need to dominate SBs to win.

3. Other than Crawford, I suspect every other SB guy will go "undervalue" (Podsednik, Pierre, etc). I'd rather get the power guy in round 1 and pick up steals later.

[ December 31, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:46 am

I HEARD GORDON MENTION SOME OF THE MOCKERS MIGHT HAVE MADE A MOCKERY OF THE DRAFT. I HAD THE 4TH PICK , AND MADE EVERY PICK LIKE I WAS PLAYING FOR 100.000 DOLLARS. WE HAD TO RATE THE DRAFT AFTER IT WAS OVER AND I DID HAVE 2 TEAMS I WOULD RATE WITH NOT MUCH OF A CHANCE. I MYSELF WOULD BE VERY UPSET IF I KNEW ANY OF THE TEAMS DIDNT GIVE THEIR BEST.IF THAT DID HAPPEN , THEN SHAME ON YOU. I DID GIVE IT MY ALL , AND THINK MY TEAM IS ONE OF THE BETTEWR TEAMS. MY TOP 3 PICKS SHOLD GO FOR 40 HR'S, AND WAS FORTUNATE TO GET OSWALT WITH PICK 57. DAVID WRIGHT AND CHASE UTTLEY ARE TWO YOUNG PLAYERS WITH GREAT UPSIDE. JUSTIN SPEIR I TOOK HOPING HE CAN GET THE CLOSER JOB IN TOROTO.A GOOD GAMBLE CONSIDERING I GOT HIM IN ROUND 21.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:56 am

I think the early numbers were based on the Ron Shandler's Forecaster. Being this was a early Mock draft its really hard to put much into it.

Alot will happen before March. I agree with Todd Zola in that I think Crawford is being overrated based on S.B. alone.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:56 am

I think the early numbers were based on the Ron Shandler's Forecaster. Being this was a early Mock draft its really hard to put much into it.

Alot will happen before March. I agree with Todd Zola in that I think Crawford is being overrated based on S.B. alone.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:14 am

AS FOR CRAWFORD HE IS A FIRST ROUND PICK NOW IN ANY LEAGUE. I MYSELF WOULD HAVE HIM AT PICK 8.HIS LAST TWO YEARS SHOW HOW CONSISTENT HE IS.2003 281 BAVG 5 HR 54 RBI AND 55 STEALS. 2004 296 BAVG 11 HR 59 RBI 59 STEALS . IT ALSO SHOWS ME HE DOUBLED HIS HR'S ,MAYBE 15 THIS YEAR AND THE STEALS SHOULD STAY IN THE FIFTY'S. HE'S ONLY 23 AND HASNT HIT HIS PRIME. AS FOR PIERRE HE STILL STOLE 45 BASES SCORED 100 RUNS AND HIT 326. I GOT PIERRE IN THE 3RD ROUND LAST YEAR , AND WAS VERY HAPPY.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:18 pm

Will Carl Crawford have a career similar to Kenny Lofton or does he approach Ricky Henderson?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 2:54 pm

Originally posted by CC Desperatos:

Will Carl Crawford have a career similar to Kenny Lofton or does he approach Ricky Henderson? i have crawford penciled in for 104 steals this year, along with 18 homeruns. should be the top pick in every draft. take him early or else he he won't be there late. thanks.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 4:36 pm

Will Carl Crawford have a career similar to Kenny Lofton or does he approach Ricky Henderson? I don't like making comparisons like this because you are never really sure just what skills are being compared. In terms of skills, Crawford might not walk as many times in his career as Ricky did in one season. Obviously that's hyperbole, but Crawford will not come close to his patience.

Strictly in terms of numbers, he won't hit for as high an average as Lofton did in his prime, but he still hit well above league average. But I think he'll have more pop than Lofton did in his prime as he continues to mature.

[ January 02, 2005, 10:37 PM: Message edited by: ToddZ ]

Dyv · Post by **Dyv** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:45 am

I mocked from the #1 hole and was very pleased with my draft. Pujols at #1 wasn't a choice of comfort, but I'm making the prediction that power will be down heavily this year and Pujols appears to be one of very few non-steroid sluggers.

That and your new position scarcity law for 2005 will be firstbase... (my opinion)

As for Oswalt slipping and closers moving... pitching is always the more speculative arena. I'm not surprised by this at all. I wish he would have fallen a few more spots to me at #60, but only so much I can control

I didn't realize we weren't drafting benches in this draft, so closing out some positions early cost me later for sleepers I wanted.

Clearly I needed some more OF bench help and a backup C and middle infielder

C1: Pudge

C2: Humberto Cota

1b: Pujols

2b: D'Angelo Jimenez

SS: B.J. Upton

3b: Aaron Boone

OF1: Miguel Cabrera

OF2: Griffey Jr.

OF3: Larry Walker

OF4: Alex Sanchez

OF5: Rondell White

1b/3b: Justin Morneau

2b/ss: Mark Ellis

DH: Ken Harvey

SP: Schilling, Clemens, Matt Clement, Kevin Brown, Al Leiter, Scott Kazmir, Glendon Rusch

RP: Keith Foulke, Rob Nen