Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.
Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. A roster flexibility rule would be great for this contest, Greg. This DL rule has been problematic from the start. From the colorado, to the smoltz, to nady, the September non-DL issue, etc.
I know you want to hear least from me right now, but allowing one Friday move per team per week would give everyone some flexibility to deal with injuries (whether DL injuries or not), bad 2-start pitchers, etc, without ANY of the headaches this DL rule has caused you year after year.
You act as if this is a personal attack, but you know it isn't. Your best customers want the best rule set because we play in many leagues here every season.
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Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
One of the best lines in this thread...
"Are the most knowledgeable baseball owners really winning our contests each year or are there other reasons?
Yeah, head scratcher indeed." You're always a sucker for the one-liners Lance, whether they're true or not.
One of the best lines in this thread...
"Are the most knowledgeable baseball owners really winning our contests each year or are there other reasons?
Yeah, head scratcher indeed." You're always a sucker for the one-liners Lance, whether they're true or not.
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Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule.
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule.
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I think the rule should be "if a player goes on the DL midweek before the deadline then that player can be subbed out of your lineup"
If you start a player on the DL then that player is frozen in your lineup for the entire week and that is a risk you take if you think the player is going to come off the DL mid week and does not.
Just my .02 and i'm not gonna say anymore as whatever greg decides works for me.
If you start a player on the DL then that player is frozen in your lineup for the entire week and that is a risk you take if you think the player is going to come off the DL mid week and does not.
Just my .02 and i'm not gonna say anymore as whatever greg decides works for me.
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Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:
I think the rule should be "if a player goes on the DL midweek before the deadline then that player can be subbed out of your lineup"
If you start a player on the DL then that player is frozen in your lineup for the entire week and that is a risk you take if you think the player is going to come off the DL mid week and does not.
FOR NEXT YEAR, if STATS can program it that way, it would be good.
I think the rule should be "if a player goes on the DL midweek before the deadline then that player can be subbed out of your lineup"
If you start a player on the DL then that player is frozen in your lineup for the entire week and that is a risk you take if you think the player is going to come off the DL mid week and does not.
FOR NEXT YEAR, if STATS can program it that way, it would be good.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Is there a difference?
One move or more requires roughly the same time and access to the internet?
We're not talking two free agent bidding transactions per week...simply starters being plugged in. You can do that all on Sunday for both Monday and Friday...much like daily leagues do.
...but then again...I only have three leagues in the NFBC...not 23.
[ April 22, 2009, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Is there a difference?
One move or more requires roughly the same time and access to the internet?
We're not talking two free agent bidding transactions per week...simply starters being plugged in. You can do that all on Sunday for both Monday and Friday...much like daily leagues do.
...but then again...I only have three leagues in the NFBC...not 23.
[ April 22, 2009, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.
Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. A roster flexibility rule would be great for this contest, Greg. This DL rule has been problematic from the start. From the colorado, to the smoltz, to nady, the September non-DL issue, etc.
I know you want to hear least from me right now, but allowing one Friday move per team per week would give everyone some flexibility to deal with injuries (whether DL injuries or not), bad 2-start pitchers, etc, without ANY of the headaches this DL rule has caused you year after year.
You act as if this is a personal attack, but you know it isn't. Your best customers want the best rule set because we play in many leagues here every season. [/QUOTE]I think he got a little defensive when you described the situation as "bullshit" especially when he usually bends over backwards for you guys. Next time say it's "unfair" and you might get a better reaction.
I think you have valid points and seem to have the best grasp out of everyone I've heard on here regarding the DL rule. One, if you have rules to start out the year, don't change them during.
2. If there is a rule change, make it clear and fair for everyone. The response you got from Greg made the ruling even more unclear especially with the mention of "manual" moves.
In reality this has been blown a little out of proportion. What's good about this argument is it created conversation. Hopefully the rule change doesn't happen until 2010. Just a hunch, the guy that wins the $100,000 or the $40,000 will not have abused any DL ruling all year. He'll just masterfully outplay you and stay relatively healthy all year.
Greg obviously is trying to make the best and fairest decision and we should give him room to make his decisions.
On a side note: Statistically speaking, the people that complain the most, are usually the best customers, because they want to be apart of this business. So, they should be listened to.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.
Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. A roster flexibility rule would be great for this contest, Greg. This DL rule has been problematic from the start. From the colorado, to the smoltz, to nady, the September non-DL issue, etc.
I know you want to hear least from me right now, but allowing one Friday move per team per week would give everyone some flexibility to deal with injuries (whether DL injuries or not), bad 2-start pitchers, etc, without ANY of the headaches this DL rule has caused you year after year.
You act as if this is a personal attack, but you know it isn't. Your best customers want the best rule set because we play in many leagues here every season. [/QUOTE]I think he got a little defensive when you described the situation as "bullshit" especially when he usually bends over backwards for you guys. Next time say it's "unfair" and you might get a better reaction.
I think you have valid points and seem to have the best grasp out of everyone I've heard on here regarding the DL rule. One, if you have rules to start out the year, don't change them during.
2. If there is a rule change, make it clear and fair for everyone. The response you got from Greg made the ruling even more unclear especially with the mention of "manual" moves.
In reality this has been blown a little out of proportion. What's good about this argument is it created conversation. Hopefully the rule change doesn't happen until 2010. Just a hunch, the guy that wins the $100,000 or the $40,000 will not have abused any DL ruling all year. He'll just masterfully outplay you and stay relatively healthy all year.
Greg obviously is trying to make the best and fairest decision and we should give him room to make his decisions.
On a side note: Statistically speaking, the people that complain the most, are usually the best customers, because they want to be apart of this business. So, they should be listened to.
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Is there a difference?
One move or more requires roughly the same time and access to the internet?
We're not talking two free agent bidding transactions per week...simply starters being plugged in. You can do that all on Sunday for both Monday and Friday...much like daily leagues do.
...but then again...I only have three leagues in the NFBC...not 23. [/QUOTE]Yeah there's a difference Lance. Quick scan to see if there is a guy on your roster who is either DL'd, day-to-day and might miss a couple games or maybe a guy pitching in COL. Doesn't take much longer than scanning to see if there's a red DL on the page.
Re-thinking your entire lineup each Friday, far more time intensive.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Is there a difference?
One move or more requires roughly the same time and access to the internet?
We're not talking two free agent bidding transactions per week...simply starters being plugged in. You can do that all on Sunday for both Monday and Friday...much like daily leagues do.
...but then again...I only have three leagues in the NFBC...not 23.
[/QUOTE]Yeah there's a difference Lance. Quick scan to see if there is a guy on your roster who is either DL'd, day-to-day and might miss a couple games or maybe a guy pitching in COL. Doesn't take much longer than scanning to see if there's a red DL on the page. Re-thinking your entire lineup each Friday, far more time intensive.
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I think if Joe Torre finally got a clue and moved Matt Kemp up in the lineup, we wouldn't be hearing from KJ
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.
Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. A roster flexibility rule would be great for this contest, Greg. This DL rule has been problematic from the start. From the colorado, to the smoltz, to nady, the September non-DL issue, etc.
I know you want to hear least from me right now, but allowing one Friday move per team per week would give everyone some flexibility to deal with injuries (whether DL injuries or not), bad 2-start pitchers, etc, without ANY of the headaches this DL rule has caused you year after year.
You act as if this is a personal attack, but you know it isn't. Your best customers want the best rule set because we play in many leagues here every season. [/QUOTE]I feel good after 75 minutes of hoops, but you are right you are the last person I want to hear from on this thread. Not a personal attack? Why does the f-word appear on my boards from Ken and "bullshit" and B.S. from you if it's not a personal attack to me and Tom? You guys know I'm trying to close the loophole that allowed anyone who got a start from Max Scherzer or Scott Baker on Wednesday AND a SECOND start on the weekend from someone else. That's the goal.
The John Smoltz owners who think I'm taking away their toy so that they can have FIVE EXTRA DAYS to decide who their ninth pitcher is going to be is the LEAST of my worries. That doesn't bother me and the type of ridiculous posting on here led by your continuous use of "rule change" has taken this further than I expected.
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. And in 2010 we'll see if there's room for improvement or any love left for the Friday DL Rule. The loudest aren't always the majority, as I've learned MANY times on these boards.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I know how we should close the two-start loophole, but it wouldn't be programmed in time. So I will sit on this one (drink on this one) and figure this out with STATS. For now and I'm sure this week, nothing will change. But I will figure out a happy medium for 2009 and then oh yes 2010 will be tight as a drum.
Sad part is that the DL Rule is good for a contest at this price level involving those who go on the DL during the week. But now we're left with this. A roster flexibility rule would be great for this contest, Greg. This DL rule has been problematic from the start. From the colorado, to the smoltz, to nady, the September non-DL issue, etc.
I know you want to hear least from me right now, but allowing one Friday move per team per week would give everyone some flexibility to deal with injuries (whether DL injuries or not), bad 2-start pitchers, etc, without ANY of the headaches this DL rule has caused you year after year.
You act as if this is a personal attack, but you know it isn't. Your best customers want the best rule set because we play in many leagues here every season. [/QUOTE]I feel good after 75 minutes of hoops, but you are right you are the last person I want to hear from on this thread.
Not a personal attack? Why does the f-word appear on my boards from Ken and "bullshit" and B.S. from you if it's not a personal attack to me and Tom? You guys know I'm trying to close the loophole that allowed anyone who got a start from Max Scherzer or Scott Baker on Wednesday AND a SECOND start on the weekend from someone else. That's the goal.The John Smoltz owners who think I'm taking away their toy so that they can have FIVE EXTRA DAYS to decide who their ninth pitcher is going to be is the LEAST of my worries. That doesn't bother me and the type of ridiculous posting on here led by your continuous use of "rule change" has taken this further than I expected.
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. And in 2010 we'll see if there's room for improvement or any love left for the Friday DL Rule. The loudest aren't always the majority, as I've learned MANY times on these boards.
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DL Rule: Ryan Doumit goes down. How many would have drafted a backup catcher? Well maybe in a 12 team league. Since this is the start of NBC 12 team leagues I'm guessing there's some input from there. Other wise I just don't understand this.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaase don't speak for the masses. Why would ONE player move per Friday be better than the DL Rule? The first time you have two injured guys that week I'd hear from you and others that this is a dumb rule. KJ, there isn't a perfect rule and not doing anything on Friday isn't perfect either. The DL Rule that closes the pitchers' loophole is the fairest system and the easiest to manage from a players' standpoint. If any of your guys on Friday morning have a DL designation and they are in their starting lineup, you can reserve them as long as you have a player at that position in your reserve. Easy to adjust.
Again, I really don't care about the owners who have an inactive pitcher for four days and who think they know best for the weekend. It's the one area that I didn't realize was happening that I plan on solving. And this year we'll just have to do that manually. Stay tuned.
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why bother making it only ONE player...why not create two "mini-weeks" per week...the MON-THU week, and the FRI-SUN week...allowing you to set your lineup entirely on Monday pre-first pitch, and Friday pre-first pitch.
No more DL rule.
Queue the "I have a life" and "I have a job" drama brigade!
~Lance You're right Lance, too many players don't want to make full roster moves twice a week. I could do it, but I think we'd lose a lot of players with that rule.
I don't think allowing one move per Friday would drive anyone away, and it would be a HUGE upgrade from the DL rule. [/QUOTE]Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaase don't speak for the masses. Why would ONE player move per Friday be better than the DL Rule? The first time you have two injured guys that week I'd hear from you and others that this is a dumb rule. KJ, there isn't a perfect rule and not doing anything on Friday isn't perfect either. The DL Rule that closes the pitchers' loophole is the fairest system and the easiest to manage from a players' standpoint. If any of your guys on Friday morning have a DL designation and they are in their starting lineup, you can reserve them as long as you have a player at that position in your reserve. Easy to adjust.
Again, I really don't care about the owners who have an inactive pitcher for four days and who think they know best for the weekend. It's the one area that I didn't realize was happening that I plan on solving. And this year we'll just have to do that manually. Stay tuned.
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Originally posted by Quahogs:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
When Greg put the rule in place he had no way of knowing the ramifications of how STATS' programming would incorporate the rule
The DL rule has since morphed into a roster flexibility rule and has been like this for years.
It has been discussed on the mb and never changed
and it became a viable strategy to roster DL pitchers.
Because of that it has been my contention that these player movements are allowed within the context of this rule.
Changing how the rule works now doesn't seem right to me. Of all the people I respect in the NFBC, this one surprises me. We'll have to drink on Saturday over this one and now YOU'RE BUYING!!
I blame myself. I thought my last dumb "miss" was having 0 IP instead of at least 1/3 IP and finally going to 600 IP. Now I'm really an idiot. [/QUOTE]Uh oh. What I do? I'm getting marched in the principal's office (Thank goodness it's a bar). I think my car just pulled a hammy. [/QUOTE]If the principal's office is in a bar, you know it's a good school system!! Shawn is going to pick me up a few hours before our scheduled appearance, so I'll be in prime shape for your 2 o'clock appointment!! I trust your car will stay off the DL and we'll have a good first meeting. See ya on Saturday.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:
When Greg put the rule in place he had no way of knowing the ramifications of how STATS' programming would incorporate the rule
The DL rule has since morphed into a roster flexibility rule and has been like this for years.
It has been discussed on the mb and never changed
and it became a viable strategy to roster DL pitchers.
Because of that it has been my contention that these player movements are allowed within the context of this rule.
Changing how the rule works now doesn't seem right to me. Of all the people I respect in the NFBC, this one surprises me. We'll have to drink on Saturday over this one and now YOU'RE BUYING!!
I blame myself. I thought my last dumb "miss" was having 0 IP instead of at least 1/3 IP and finally going to 600 IP. Now I'm really an idiot. [/QUOTE]Uh oh. What I do? I'm getting marched in the principal's office (Thank goodness it's a bar). I think my car just pulled a hammy. [/QUOTE]If the principal's office is in a bar, you know it's a good school system!!
Shawn is going to pick me up a few hours before our scheduled appearance, so I'll be in prime shape for your 2 o'clock appointment!! I trust your car will stay off the DL and we'll have a good first meeting. See ya on Saturday.Greg Ambrosius
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. Greg - I think you are viewing this thread as a personal attack and lashing out with your own personal attacks..."smarter-than-me owners"???
We are not personally attacking YOU. Myself and Duke are dumbfounded by what we see as a "RULE CHANGE" AFTER the season started and are speaking up forcefully. I did so because I was late to the party, and it looked like you ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND. Good thing I got a text from a friend about the message board this morning, otherwise I woulda never known about this until Smoltz was locked in my lineup for the week.
You have THE best game on the planet. Please don't make rule changes during the season. That's all we are asking.
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. Greg - I think you are viewing this thread as a personal attack and lashing out with your own personal attacks..."smarter-than-me owners"???
We are not personally attacking YOU. Myself and Duke are dumbfounded by what we see as a "RULE CHANGE" AFTER the season started and are speaking up forcefully. I did so because I was late to the party, and it looked like you ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND. Good thing I got a text from a friend about the message board this morning, otherwise I woulda never known about this until Smoltz was locked in my lineup for the week.
You have THE best game on the planet. Please don't make rule changes during the season. That's all we are asking.
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Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. Greg - I think you are viewing this thread as a personal attack and lashing out with your own personal attacks..."smarter-than-me owners"???
We are not personally attacking YOU. Myself and Duke are dumbfounded by what we see as a "RULE CHANGE" AFTER the season started and are speaking up forcefully. I did so because I was late to the party, and it looked like you ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND. Good thing I got a text from a friend about the message board this morning, otherwise I woulda never known about this until Smoltz was locked in my lineup for the week.
You have THE best game on the planet. Please don't make rule changes during the season. That's all we are asking. [/QUOTE]I think you and KJ have done a great job of spinning the word RULE CHANGE. And no, trust me, you haven't done anything to change my mind about this rule. Thank STATS for not being able to program this quickly enough for that and not anything you e-mailed me or posted on here for that.
Again, I enjoy everyone saying this wasn't a personal attack on me or the NFBC when swear words preface posts. Have I sworn on this public forum during this discussion? Have I asked for a refund or talked litigiously? Has anything been done to even get to those points?
Please, I don't need an explanation about this. Ten pages of unique posts says it all about each individual who posted. In the end, the system will allow one stupid loophole to remain and I'll make sure another is closed. And if anyone wants to fight that fight, then I'm afraid ol' stupid Greg will look good in that argument.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
I will fix the MAX SCHERZER RULE and avoid the John Smoltz rule for you smarter-than-me owners. Greg - I think you are viewing this thread as a personal attack and lashing out with your own personal attacks..."smarter-than-me owners"???
We are not personally attacking YOU. Myself and Duke are dumbfounded by what we see as a "RULE CHANGE" AFTER the season started and are speaking up forcefully. I did so because I was late to the party, and it looked like you ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND. Good thing I got a text from a friend about the message board this morning, otherwise I woulda never known about this until Smoltz was locked in my lineup for the week.
You have THE best game on the planet. Please don't make rule changes during the season. That's all we are asking. [/QUOTE]I think you and KJ have done a great job of spinning the word RULE CHANGE. And no, trust me, you haven't done anything to change my mind about this rule. Thank STATS for not being able to program this quickly enough for that and not anything you e-mailed me or posted on here for that.
Again, I enjoy everyone saying this wasn't a personal attack on me or the NFBC when swear words preface posts. Have I sworn on this public forum during this discussion? Have I asked for a refund or talked litigiously? Has anything been done to even get to those points?
Please, I don't need an explanation about this. Ten pages of unique posts says it all about each individual who posted. In the end, the system will allow one stupid loophole to remain and I'll make sure another is closed. And if anyone wants to fight that fight, then I'm afraid ol' stupid Greg will look good in that argument.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Walla Walla
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No Friday DL rule. No problems. Just dump the stupid rule. Greg its your contest but these rules have caused so many bad feelings over the years I don't know why you hang on to it??? If it's just pride your hurting the contest. But it is your contest. It cost you time, Stats time, and the players time. For what ?????
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Gordon Gekko II
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Again, I enjoy everyone saying this wasn't a personal attack on me or the NFBC when swear words preface posts. Have I sworn on this public forum during this discussion? Have I asked for a refund or talked litigiously? Has anything been done to even get to those points?
reason #61,203 of why making a rule change AFTER the contest starts is not a good idea
Again, I enjoy everyone saying this wasn't a personal attack on me or the NFBC when swear words preface posts. Have I sworn on this public forum during this discussion? Have I asked for a refund or talked litigiously? Has anything been done to even get to those points?
reason #61,203 of why making a rule change AFTER the contest starts is not a good idea
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Originally posted by Walla Walla:
No Friday DL rule. No problems. Just dump the stupid rule. Greg its your contest but these rules have caused so many bad feelings over the years I don't know why you hang on to it??? If it's just pride your hurting the contest. But it is your contest. It cost you time, Stats time, and the players time. For what ????? Stupid rule? Again, I don't agree. When your guy goes on the DL on Tuesday you're glad the rule is in place. And if it has caused so many bad feelings over the years, why do so many people come back? I think people appreciate the depths we go to make skill win out over luck and I have no problem spending extra time to get it right. Besides, what else do I have to do today outside of running football?
No, those arguing the loudest aren't representing the majority. The intent of the rule is good and it does help folks. As I said yesterday, almost every league goes right down to the last at-bat in the NFBC and thus the extra stats we can get to owners who unfortunately suffered an early week injury is good for the contest.
Now back to football for me. I think everyone has made their points here and I'm working on the solution. Carry on and go back to bringing the planes in safely.
No Friday DL rule. No problems. Just dump the stupid rule. Greg its your contest but these rules have caused so many bad feelings over the years I don't know why you hang on to it??? If it's just pride your hurting the contest. But it is your contest. It cost you time, Stats time, and the players time. For what ????? Stupid rule? Again, I don't agree. When your guy goes on the DL on Tuesday you're glad the rule is in place. And if it has caused so many bad feelings over the years, why do so many people come back? I think people appreciate the depths we go to make skill win out over luck and I have no problem spending extra time to get it right. Besides, what else do I have to do today outside of running football?
No, those arguing the loudest aren't representing the majority. The intent of the rule is good and it does help folks. As I said yesterday, almost every league goes right down to the last at-bat in the NFBC and thus the extra stats we can get to owners who unfortunately suffered an early week injury is good for the contest.
Now back to football for me. I think everyone has made their points here and I'm working on the solution. Carry on and go back to bringing the planes in safely.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Quack & Willy
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Gekko-you were "late to the party" as you put it...because you were too busy changing your team name as well as your owner name. Since Jesse James now owns your team, maybe you can have him call Greg with any complaints
Fine-tuning The Friday DL Rule
Originally posted by Walla Walla:
No Friday DL rule. No problems. Just dump the stupid rule. Greg its your contest but these rules have caused so many bad feelings over the years I don't know why you hang on to it??? If it's just pride your hurting the contest. But it is your contest. It cost you time, Stats time, and the players time. For what ????? From 2 days of discussion here and 2 days earlier in the week on the CDM board i would have to agree 100% with Walla Walla on this. The rule is not popular period, whether you as an operator of the contest want to acknowledge it or not.
No Friday DL rule. No problems. Just dump the stupid rule. Greg its your contest but these rules have caused so many bad feelings over the years I don't know why you hang on to it??? If it's just pride your hurting the contest. But it is your contest. It cost you time, Stats time, and the players time. For what ????? From 2 days of discussion here and 2 days earlier in the week on the CDM board i would have to agree 100% with Walla Walla on this. The rule is not popular period, whether you as an operator of the contest want to acknowledge it or not.
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Quack & Willy
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Greg is allowing the intent of the initial DL rule to continue, which geniuses like Gekko (who I didn't think owned a team as of yesterday due to changing their name) seem to think is so important and is part of their "draft strategy". Funny how when we drafted a DL'd John Smoltz, it was for his performance on the field come May/June, not his DL loophole.
The DL pitcher who remains on the DL continues. The "cute" move some owners have done by double dipping is getting shut-off, from what I gather.
Greg, I feel for you in this situation. You get all the credit as these guys praise you, then you get bashed by these same individuals, because you are improving the quality of the game.
The DL pitcher who remains on the DL continues. The "cute" move some owners have done by double dipping is getting shut-off, from what I gather.
Greg, I feel for you in this situation. You get all the credit as these guys praise you, then you get bashed by these same individuals, because you are improving the quality of the game.
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Greg, change the rule now for 2009. Makes sense to me to do so...plus I want to read another 1,000 posts on this topic in the coming days.
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Gordon Gekko II
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Originally posted by Quack & Willy:
Gekko-you were "late to the party" as you put it...because you were too busy changing your team name as well as your owner name. Since Jesse James now owns your team, maybe you can have him call Greg with any complaints not sure what you mean here. i just looked and it's has my name there?
Gekko-you were "late to the party" as you put it...because you were too busy changing your team name as well as your owner name. Since Jesse James now owns your team, maybe you can have him call Greg with any complaints not sure what you mean here. i just looked and it's has my name there?
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
The DL Rule that closes the pitchers' loophole is the fairest system and the easiest to manage from a players' standpoint. Greg, first off if anyone is attacking anyone, its you on me, not the other way around. Lance told me my response was BS, and I said the BS is changing a rule mid-stream.
I am attacking a really bad idea. And you in response are attacking me. So be it.
Clearly, a lot of people agree with me on the topic of this rule, some have posted and some have emailed or PM'd me the same.
Finally, you said you were unaware of this issue previously, yet I posted YOUR response from 2007 showing you were aware of it. Yet, I am wrong and you right ? Really ? I can accept that you forgot, or whatever, but don't dismiss that because it is the core of my argument - that this was a known issue for a long time.
And finally, on your statement above, the DL rule as you have it from this players perspective (and from many others who have posted on this topic for 3 years) is not the MOST fair, nor do I believe it is easiest to implement. I've listed the multiple problems with it you've had over the years; have you forgotten Nady, September, and the STATS deadlines, etc?
This rule does nothing for hurt players who aren't playing but aren't DL'd. That is a major flaw in the system. Give us a set number of transactions so WE can decide when a hurt player shouldn't be in our lineup. Todd Zola first suggested this in his "allow 20 moves" per season idea. I suggested once a week.
Either way, this type of solution is more fair and I believe would easier to implement because it is 100% within the player's control rather than your interpretation of what is or not the intention of the rule, and it is not dependent on STATS speed and accuracy in doing updates.
The DL Rule that closes the pitchers' loophole is the fairest system and the easiest to manage from a players' standpoint. Greg, first off if anyone is attacking anyone, its you on me, not the other way around. Lance told me my response was BS, and I said the BS is changing a rule mid-stream.
I am attacking a really bad idea. And you in response are attacking me. So be it.
Clearly, a lot of people agree with me on the topic of this rule, some have posted and some have emailed or PM'd me the same.
Finally, you said you were unaware of this issue previously, yet I posted YOUR response from 2007 showing you were aware of it. Yet, I am wrong and you right ? Really ? I can accept that you forgot, or whatever, but don't dismiss that because it is the core of my argument - that this was a known issue for a long time.
And finally, on your statement above, the DL rule as you have it from this players perspective (and from many others who have posted on this topic for 3 years) is not the MOST fair, nor do I believe it is easiest to implement. I've listed the multiple problems with it you've had over the years; have you forgotten Nady, September, and the STATS deadlines, etc?
This rule does nothing for hurt players who aren't playing but aren't DL'd. That is a major flaw in the system. Give us a set number of transactions so WE can decide when a hurt player shouldn't be in our lineup. Todd Zola first suggested this in his "allow 20 moves" per season idea. I suggested once a week.
Either way, this type of solution is more fair and I believe would easier to implement because it is 100% within the player's control rather than your interpretation of what is or not the intention of the rule, and it is not dependent on STATS speed and accuracy in doing updates.