Another reason the DL rule needs to be removed

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Post by Quack & Willy » Fri May 01, 2009 11:01 am

Just as a follow-up on the Friday DL rule...



Because a player is placed on the DL on Friday AM or PM before their game, they cannot be shifted out; however if they were placed there Thursday night, they can? If the rule were going to stay in place (questionable), why not make it to a situation later in the afternoon Friday.



If a MLB team is off on Thursday, the chances of them making a roster move on the offday are maybe 50/50. Thus this penalizes owners of players in this situation.



Just throwing this out there as a seconday aspect to the much discussed Friday DL rule.

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Post by Richie » Fri May 01, 2009 11:38 am

make it late friday and most people might be in their car going home from work. the way it is, is perfect. perfect because its fair. everyone has all day to do their thing. you want whats ood for you. we want whats good for a fair minded league.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Fri May 01, 2009 11:50 am

Originally posted by Richie:

you want whats ood for you. we want whats good for a fair minded league. well said

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Post by Quack & Willy » Fri May 01, 2009 11:51 am

Originally posted by Richie:

make it late friday and most people might be in their car going home from work. the way it is, is perfect. perfect because its fair. everyone has all day to do their thing. you want whats ood for you. we want whats good for a fair minded league. excellent point...and what is "fair" in one's mind is once a week moves regardless of injury/DL news; others view the DL clause as strategy/trickery/avoidance of injury news.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Fri May 01, 2009 11:55 am

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

trickery "trickery"? who does an owner actually get tricked? the rules are out there in black and white. :confused:

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Post by Sack » Fri May 01, 2009 12:00 pm

Richie - once again showing how clueless you really are.



This rule is NOT doing what it was intended for, loopholes created and then taken away at every turn.



Not my fault that YOU can't hit check your teams prior to the start on game times. If I have alot invested in this, which I do, I'd make it a priority to get those changes in to the lineup.



Nobody has even mentioned what a true farce this crap becomes on Sept 1st when the players list becomes arbitrary. Nobody stands up for Greg & Tom more than I - but I have lost a free entry with this crap two years ago despite there best intentions.



I didnt air my thoughts last week, because the season was underway and Greg doesn't need the headache. I came down on KJ Duke's side last week. The loophole that this rule created was AVAILABLE for 2 weeks, and was allowable by the rules. Are we going to go back and BACKDATE the first two weeks and disallow anybody's stats that gained from the loophole? NO CHANCE.....yet, when September comes around and I lose a league my one win or one strikeout ( happened last year ) those first two LOOPHOLE weeks come back into play. I didn't have an opportunity to use the loophole in the first two weeks. Over 8 NFBC Leagues that I participate within this season, I'm quite sure that some people DID use the loophole. Why, because when the cries to change this crap went unanswered it becomes easier to use the loopholes to your advantage. Now - after two weeks - bam.....gone? Despite what was stated, those loopholes were well known.....they were discussed on these boards. Again - it ALL comes back to this crappy rule.





I've got to much time and money invested in these leagues to stay silent on this topic. Looking forward to years end when we revisit getting rid of this.



Josh Hamilton has beed hurt all week - but those that own him are stuck with him in the lineup while others are allowed to make a change because of how the Texas Rangers dragged there feet. Two weeks ago we had an outcry on here because of Nady and it created a stir, This rule, good in theory, not in practice. Especially with any real money on the line.



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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Fri May 01, 2009 12:06 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

Nobody has even mentioned what a true farce this crap becomes on Sept 1st when the players list becomes arbitrary. Nobody stands up for Greg & Tom more than I - but I have lost a free entry with this crap two years ago despite there best intentions.

Ken - I thought the Sept DL rule was abolished? it's a good thing because i couldn't stand the "arbitrariness" either.

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Post by Sack » Fri May 01, 2009 12:13 pm

Mark - I hope that is correct. I've tried to stay away from reading alot of the FRIDAY DL stuff becasue it gets the blood boiling. ;)





If that is the case, we've at least moved in the right direction.





By the way, I don't own Josh Hamilton anyplace - so I didn't get burned. But.......... just a matter of time before I do.

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Post by sportsbettingman » Fri May 01, 2009 12:18 pm

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able.
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Post by sportsbettingman » Fri May 01, 2009 12:20 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Sack:

Nobody has even mentioned what a true farce this crap becomes on Sept 1st when the players list becomes arbitrary. Nobody stands up for Greg & Tom more than I - but I have lost a free entry with this crap two years ago despite there best intentions.

Ken - I thought the Sept DL rule was abolished? it's a good thing because i couldn't stand the "arbitrariness" either.
[/QUOTE]Me either.



I hope they stick with the official DL...and let individual owners take the gamble on who they start each week, knowing the situation.
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Post by RedRyder » Fri May 01, 2009 1:14 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.

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Post by MadCow Sez » Fri May 01, 2009 1:17 pm

Would rather see it just being a 2x week change roster. DL becomes less impact and all people can move if they so choose. No more BS on when exactly did a player go on DL.



Living the Hamilton pain here. Don't have options of getting home for mid-day changes.
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Post by Scott Boras » Fri May 01, 2009 1:31 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Lance this is so simple, but brilliant! Surely someone has thought of this before but I've yet to read anyone suggest it. It does everything Greg intended it to do- 1) It minimizes some bad luck caused by injuries AND 2) it rewards savvy owners who have a strong and flexible bench AND 3) it makes for a level playing field for all injury replacements i.e.- No more waiting 4 days to replace a player injured on Monday and no more missing out on switching a player who was placed on Friday.



If your team suffers an injury, you get to replace them but only if you have a replacement on your bench. Would minimize holding onto prospects and injured players as bench spots become more valuable and thus would add a whole new element to FAAB. Luck is leveled out and skill is rewarded.



Other thoughts on this?

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Post by Scott Boras » Fri May 01, 2009 1:33 pm

Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]Then Jules, you and Lance are both brilliant :D



If this ever comes to vote, I vote yay

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Post by Da bears » Fri May 01, 2009 1:39 pm

Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]I like this idea also Lance and Jules! :cool:
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Post by Scott Boras » Fri May 01, 2009 1:44 pm

On the flip side, it does reward those that draft injury prone players, not such a good indicator of skill. I guess that would one negative. overall i still like it though.

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Post by Gordon Gekko II » Fri May 01, 2009 1:44 pm

Originally posted by Da bears:

quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]I like this idea also Lance and Jules! :cool:
[/QUOTE]i like the idea too and will support it, but from what i remember, the "i don't have access to a computer all day crowd" will protest and greg will not move forward with it. what's the difference between this and setting daily lineups they will say. again, i like it, but the "i have a life" people will veto

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Post by Scott Boras » Fri May 01, 2009 1:48 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Da bears:

quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]I like this idea also Lance and Jules! :cool:
[/QUOTE]i like the idea too and will support it, but from what i remember, the "i don't have access to a computer all day crowd" will protest and greg will not move forward with it. what's the difference between this and setting daily lineups they will say. again, i like it, but the "i have a life" people will veto
[/QUOTE]this actually helps the "i have a life" crowd. instead of being glued to the computer constantly monitoring if your player officially gets DLed by the Friday deadline, you can simply check in at any point before the first game of every day and make the switch. It saves those with lives more time and lessens anxiety. Even the most busy NFBCer checks their team on a daily basis- assuming they are still in the running.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri May 01, 2009 2:22 pm

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Da bears:

quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]I like this idea also Lance and Jules! :cool:
[/QUOTE]i like the idea too and will support it, but from what i remember, the "i don't have access to a computer all day crowd" will protest and greg will not move forward with it. what's the difference between this and setting daily lineups they will say. again, i like it, but the "i have a life" people will veto
[/QUOTE]this actually helps the "i have a life" crowd. instead of being glued to the computer constantly monitoring if your player officially gets DLed by the Friday deadline, you can simply check in at any point before the first game of every day and make the switch. It saves those with lives more time and lessens anxiety. Even the most busy NFBCer checks their team on a daily basis- assuming they are still in the running.
[/QUOTE]Nope. Sorry. Doesn't add up. Rather than having to check you team ONCE before Friday's games, you are EVERY DAY having to check to see if someone went on the DL the night before. This proposal is MAKING it a constant activity, rather than once a week.



No one is on the boards more than me and I do have a life, but I feel the DL rule, as it stands now, serves the intended purpose without turning this contest into a lame Yahoo daily activation (i.e. BS) event.



This dead horse has been beat so much I am surprised the ASPCA hasn't served a warrant. ;)
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Post by Scott Boras » Fri May 01, 2009 2:59 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Da bears:

quote:Originally posted by RedRyder:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Have they ever discussed the option of not having a "Friday" at all...simply a DL rule.



When STATS gets to putting that little red "DL" next to a player (by a cutoff time each day)...you can swap that player if you are able. Yes we have. Most recently I brought it up.
[/QUOTE]I like this idea also Lance and Jules! :cool:
[/QUOTE]i like the idea too and will support it, but from what i remember, the "i don't have access to a computer all day crowd" will protest and greg will not move forward with it. what's the difference between this and setting daily lineups they will say. again, i like it, but the "i have a life" people will veto
[/QUOTE]this actually helps the "i have a life" crowd. instead of being glued to the computer constantly monitoring if your player officially gets DLed by the Friday deadline, you can simply check in at any point before the first game of every day and make the switch. It saves those with lives more time and lessens anxiety. Even the most busy NFBCer checks their team on a daily basis- assuming they are still in the running.
[/QUOTE]Nope. Sorry. Doesn't add up. Rather than having to check you team ONCE before Friday's games, you are EVERY DAY having to check to see if someone went on the DL the night before. This proposal is MAKING it a constant activity, rather than once a week.



No one is on the boards more than me and I do have a life, but I feel the DL rule, as it stands now, serves the intended purpose without turning this contest into a lame Yahoo daily activation (i.e. BS) event.



This dead horse has been beat so much I am surprised the ASPCA hasn't served a warrant. ;)
[/QUOTE]I'm not overly invested in the DL argument and hadn't taken any stance until now. Since I've now started, I will pursue this whole "life crowd" who checks their team once a week. Does this crowd really exist? Are there really that many people in the NFBC who shelled out $1,300.00 and traveled to draft in a 30 round, 15 team league who check their team once or twice a week? I can speak from experience that I have never been in an NFBC main league where participants didn't check in every day or every other day at least through the first half of the season. If you make that kind of investment, seems like a total waste if you can't put in the necessary time to watch and manage your team. I'm highly skeptical this clique of time challenged is more than a small handful in the NFBC Main. If anything it's the fanatic NFBC mentality that separates it from daily yahoo leagues... Have I been drafting in the wrong city?

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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri May 01, 2009 3:10 pm

Yes, there are people who pay to be in and mostly want to CHECK there teams results daily which is different from having to worry about the daily potential for roster re-alignment.



I do not present myself as speaking for any masses, but the time spent in draft prep, the draft attendance, the 26 weeks/Sundays of FAAB and 26 to 52 chances to set rosters I imagine is viewed as a very generous portion of the normal working adults discretionary time spent in pursuit of anything other than family and career.
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Post by rkulaski » Fri May 01, 2009 3:55 pm

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Yes, there are people who pay to be in and mostly want to CHECK there teams results daily which is different from having to worry about the daily potential for roster re-alignment.



I do not present myself as speaking for any masses, but the time spent in draft prep, the draft attendance, the 26 weeks/Sundays of FAAB and 26 to 52 chances to set rosters I imagine is viewed as a very generous portion of the normal working adults discretionary time spent in pursuit of anything other than family and career. I will nominate myself as "normal" and one who does a good job balancing "having a life" with fantasy baseball...



This is how it works...



The "normal" person who plays in the nfbc (there are plenty of us) check box scores each day/night. BUT I don't check my league standings daily - actually I just check it over the weekend most of the time. I think ALMOST EVERYONE checks box scores daily and most all of us know when one of our players gets hurt. Therefore, I don't think it's some massive change to have a DL anytime rule. Great suggestion and I'd be all for it. It's also unfair to compare it to a league with daily transactions. It's not nearly that much "work."
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Post by JohnZ » Fri May 01, 2009 4:06 pm

Originally posted by MadCow Sez:

Would rather see it just being a 2x week change roster. DL becomes less impact and all people can move if they so choose. No more BS on when exactly did a player go on DL.



Living the Hamilton pain here. Don't have options of getting home for mid-day changes. Hamilton was listed as day-to-day at start of the week, so no way anyone takes him out.



Last night they said he wouldn't play this weekend.



Forget this DL rule. Way too many problems, loopholes and hassles.



I'm now in favor of changes Monday and Friday. It will add bench strategy. Only seven players can be changed. How many will really be changed each Friday?



We've all been trained to look at our teams Friday morning to check for DL'ers. This is a natural progression.



Let me add M.Mora and Mauer who were both listed as coming back Friday at the start of the week. Mora wound up playing Tuesday and I'm stuck with Barden all week. Mauer was a small risk to play..



I could have had a C in first 4 days for Mauer and put in Mora Friday.



Wasn't the goal of the DL rule to make up for missing AB's?



Monday and Friday lineup changes fix missing AB's better than current DL rule, which was a good idea at the time.

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Post by 751542 » Sat May 02, 2009 2:06 am

this is a rare occasion....but i agree with john z...maybe this is the start of something new.
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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Sat May 02, 2009 3:11 am

Once again, just a reminder that twice a week moves are the way to go.

It just makes sense to adjust players twice a week for each coming series. In the future we will wonder why we made one lineup for a week when for example next week all MLB players will be facing three teams.

I don't like comparing football to baseball but its like setting lineups for two games ahead, instead of one in football.

Looking at who to start twice a week is not that time consuming, it would only affect the three or four position players on rosters and would solve any lingering injury or dl problems.

Twice a week moves will happen, its just a matter of time.





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