Twice a Week Moves

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:51 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Lance -

It seems like you're in the "let's hope we get hit with the luck stick camp" Arguing against that camp is fruitless.

"Cool! Burnett's last start is CANCELLED. Look's like my opponent is screwed. He should have sat his ace. He should have known the Yanks would sweep TB to wrap up the wild card ! Sucka ! Now I'll win the league !" :rolleyes:

Thankfully I've never had to live through this specific scenario. But I've had to spend many many hours figuring out a lineup the last Monday to carry me through the next 7 days. It's not easy and frustrating. It's probably what I dislike most about the high stakes leagues I'm in. A little reform here wouldn't hurt.

Carry on Lance, I've said my piece.

Nice start by the way, keep it up !

I'm just enjoying a tough and entertaining debate with respected rivals.

So...

...in this scenario you mentioned..."Hey Lance! Last week of the season. Yankees are battling for playoff spot. You're battling tooth and nail for Wins and K's. AJ Burnett is scheduled to throw friday. Yanks clinch Thursday, Burnett's start is pushed to 1st round of playoffs. You have 2 starters on your reserve also pitching friday. You're standing there holding your HOTDOG and ahh soda. Gee you say wouldn't it be nice to swap out Burnett for a live body the LAST WEEKEND of the season. Damn, sure enough with another 3 K's you would have held onto 1st !! hoo ha. Happy days"

...if you can switch out AJ for a bench SP that final weeks Thursday...but MY SP on the final Saturday or Sunday ends up being benched the same way...I guess I had less skill.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:02 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

You set your lineup once per week. Lance, in fantasy football, do you think that all lineups should be locked as of 1pm Sunday? [/QUOTE]Sure!

...for all the players playing in the 1pm games on Sunday!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:07 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'm just enjoying a tough and entertaining debate with respected rivals.

that's right Keep smiling Lance! lol

So...

...if you can switch out AJ for a bench SP that final weeks Thursday...but MY SP on the final Saturday or Sunday ends up being benched the same way...I guess I had less skill.

It's not perfect Lance nor will it ever be but at least you can adjust your roster with the players you SKILLFULLY drafted/bid on based on a later data point - Friday as opposed to Monday. It's just a small step to utilizing your full complement of 30 players craftfully.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:09 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

You set your lineup once per week. Lance, in fantasy football, do you think that all lineups should be locked as of 1pm Sunday? [/QUOTE]Sure!

...for all the players playing in the 1pm games on Sunday!

[/QUOTE]This wasn't a great analogy. Stricken from the record.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:12 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

I've said my piece.How many pieces do you have there, Q?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:30 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

I've said my piece.How many pieces do you have there, Q?

[/QUOTE]heh heh..funny dough, you due for a hair cut ?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:30 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

I've said my piece.How many pieces do you have there, Q?

[/QUOTE]What's so funny about peas, love and understanding?

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:35 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

I think we'll try a few mid-season leagues this year with different options and see if there's 1) interest in these new variations; and 2) how these variations play out. That's the best way to test this and stop the clamor one way or another. [/QB]Wanted to start my post with Greg's quote - so it is again seen by all and doesn't get lost in the clutter. Important to note that while I am pretty sure that he doesn't love the idea - he is open to exploring it.

I will also add - that I really have NO PROBLEM with keeping things exactly as they are.

However - since the topic has been so hotly debated -I have read all the threads, cast my vote and finally will give my opinion.

I voted for twice weekly moves - but I would have to add this caveat. I think it should only be implemented in the NFBC's premier leagues. Those that are drafted live over the big NFBC weekend. This means the Main Event, Super, Ultimate and Auction leagues.

For the Online and Sat leagues - leave them as they are. While I would enjoy more action to be added to the Main Event - I understand that to try and implement this across all leagues would likely cause people to "buy" less teams overall - not something that is good for the growth of this community across the country. The Online Event has brought new players into the fold, we should continue on that path. Finally getting to draft in The Live Weekend events should be the goal of anyone who ventures into the NFBC tent - but we should still make it as easy and reasonable for veteran owners to play in multiple Satellite and Online leagues - keeping all the lower level leagues as is allows this. If you had to micro-manage 12 teams - you will surely cut that number down. Why should Greg implement a change that would have this negative effect on the bottom line.

Also - if we drive veteran ownership down - it weakens the Sat's - which is the "Minor league" training ground for the Main. When I first started last year with two Sats - I found myself in one with Robert Jurney - I actually led that league for much of the year - then tried in vain to chase him down as I faded to third place. For me, a first timer, part of the thrill was competing against a top level player in a $125 league. For these leagues to continue to flourish, we need to make sure that they are populated by veteran players. The newbies in these leagues are are next years veterans.

I don't see twice weekly moves as a problem in the Main and other elite leagues - as for me these should be the ultimate proving ground. Who can't check your team twice a week in what we all want to be considered the pinnacle event for fantasy baseball players? - Winning the Main Event shouldn't be easy and should require more effort to win the overall title. It would introduce an entire level of in season strategy to the Main Event - that over the course of a long season would be a big plus. Those who don't see it this way probably fear their inability to "out-think" or "out-manage" top players. They also I believe fear that certain "savvy" owners will leverage this new found freedom to their advantage. Uh - Yes - that would be the point of it. You would need to up your game for the course of a 26 week season. Bigger mountain for the Overall champ to climb.

If this event is truly going to be the truest test of who is the "National" fantasy champ and the best of the best - then I see no reason that in season management of your roster should not become a bigger part of the equation.

I understand all of the concerns regarding SP and even Todd Zola's "traditional" approach of having no reserve list - but I think these could be mitigated in different ways. I would gladly play with a shorter bench if it meant twice weekly moves. Why not a 6 man bench consisting of 3 P and 3 hitters with one DL slot.

I hate that we have to burn a roster spot on a DL's player - why not give us at least one spot to stash a DL'd player at the expense of one active roster spot.

The 3-3 split would eliminate the possibility of an all pitcher bench and lessen the impact of streaming SP's.

So again to highlight some points:

- I think if any change like this is made - keep it only for the premier events and maybe ONLY for the Main Event.

- Leave the secondary branches of the NFBC alone. We need to make it as easy as possible for new and veteran owners to own and mange multiple teams in multiple formats.

-Shouldn't the Premier leagues in the NFBC universe require an element of "managing" your roster more frequently.

-Some sort of reserve list changes would likely be needed to mitigate potential problems in the pitching categories.

That's my two cents - and I will gladly sign up to help test this this year when/if Greg decides to take it out for a test spin.

Ryan C

Make

[ May 05, 2009, 01:54 PM: Message edited by: Ryan Carey ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:36 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

I've said my piece.How many pieces do you have there, Q?

[/QUOTE]heh heh..funny dough, you due for a hair cut ?

[/QUOTE]

My hair has outlived its usefullness

I'm old enough that I can call in sick and say my pancreas hurts........and they buy it!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 8:43 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

My hair has outlived its usefullness

I'm old enough that I can call in sick and say my pancreas hurts........and they buy it!

I don't blame them Dough because they're afraid of one day walking in on this. They'd rather you did that at home or in the hospital - less paperwork !

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:13 am

Hey Q, you've gotta have something in your bag of tricks for Lance's stodgy "no change" stance. In these threads, he sounds twice as old as I feel!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:26 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hey Q, you've gotta have something in your bag of tricks for Lance's stodgy "no change" stance. In these threads, he sounds twice as old as I feel!

Lance trying to sober up for his 7pm friday night lineup deadline. This new rule will seriously staunch his thursday night Happy HOURS.

[ May 05, 2009, 03:27 PM: Message edited by: Quahogs ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:32 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hey Q, you've gotta have something in your bag of tricks for Lance's stodgy "no change" stance. In these threads, he sounds twice as old as I feel! I am, remember!

I just see two things.

1) If it's all about managing..make it a daily league. Most arguments against daily league apply to twice weekly. Most arguments pro-twice weekly can be compared to weekly. When there is a "cutoff day" in the week...people get screwed!

2) If we no longer give a crap about DL'd players like the new options seem to be. Why did we bother making the DL rule in the first place, which has somehow morphed into a twice weekly stance?

I don't quite get the motivation of the changes people feel are so needed all of a sudden...other than they never want to suffer injuries...even little ones.

[ May 05, 2009, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:36 am

Hey Lance, never include serious diatribe with a picture post. It's against the laws of picture posting !!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:37 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Hey Q, you've gotta have something in your bag of tricks for Lance's stodgy "no change" stance. In these threads, he sounds twice as old as I feel!

Lance trying to sober up for his 7pm friday night lineup deadline. This new rule will seriously staunch his thursday night Happy HOURS. [/QUOTE]

Kind of!

What about all the teams with late games on Friday. All of those players get screwed. All the teams with early game players can see the lineup card announced, and know if their player is in the starting lineup, or getting a day off, but the later games do not.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:39 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Hey Lance, never include serious diatribe with a picture post. It's against the laws of picture posting !! True...I'll fix it now!

But I gotta post that killer pitcure here then!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:49 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I just see two things.

1) If it's all about managing..make it a daily league. Most arguments against daily league apply to twice weekly. Most arguments pro-twice weekly can be compared to weekly. When there is a "cutoff day" in the week...people get screwed!

Please come in Mr Gray.

Say hello to Mr. Black, Mr. White and Mr. Turbes, they're very close friends.

[ May 05, 2009, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:53 am

What about all the teams with late games on Friday. All of those players get screwed. All the teams with early game players can see the lineup card announced, and know if their player is in the starting lineup, or getting a day off, but the later games do not. [Eek!]

Isn't this how monday's transactions work ?? The cutoff is 7:05 EST for the 10 O'clock games too right ?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue May 05, 2009 9:56 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

What about all the teams with late games on Friday. All of those players get screwed. All the teams with early game players can see the lineup card announced, and know if their player is in the starting lineup, or getting a day off, but the later games do not. [Eek!]

Isn't this how monday's transactions work ?? The cutoff is 7:05 EST for the 10 O'clock games too right ? Bump up those East Coast players in your draft rankings!

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:00 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

What about all the teams with late games on Friday. All of those players get screwed. All the teams with early game players can see the lineup card announced, and know if their player is in the starting lineup, or getting a day off, but the later games do not. [Eek!]

Isn't this how monday's transactions work ?? The cutoff is 7:05 EST for the 10 O'clock games too right ? Bump up those East Coast players in your draft rankings! [/QUOTE]ha HA! Hear that Lance - even more anal e sis !

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:06 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

What about all the teams with late games on Friday. All of those players get screwed. All the teams with early game players can see the lineup card announced, and know if their player is in the starting lineup, or getting a day off, but the later games do not. [Eek!]

Isn't this how monday's transactions work ?? The cutoff is 7:05 EST for the 10 O'clock games too right ? But 1/7th does not = 1/3rd.

This is fun!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:16 am

It seems like the options 3 and 4 both = much more work analysing free agent pitchers who will be pitching WED, THU, FRI. Add that to all of the newly needed analysis of which players will have good/poor weekend matchups, and you could be adding many more hours per week in free agency prep.

Just what we need...more work.

This game is a breeze in 2009!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue May 05, 2009 10:41 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

It seems like the options 3 and 4 both = much more work analysing free agent pitchers who will be pitching WED, THU, FRI. Add that to all of the newly needed analysis of which players will have good/poor weekend matchups, and you could be adding many more hours per week in free agency prep.

Just what we need...more work.

This game is a breeze in 2009!

Lance, you just looked up a gazillion obsolete poker facts in seconds, you are really milking this too much work thing way too far.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:14 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

It seems like the options 3 and 4 both = much more work analysing free agent pitchers who will be pitching WED, THU, FRI. Add that to all of the newly needed analysis of which players will have good/poor weekend matchups, and you could be adding many more hours per week in free agency prep.

Just what we need...more work.

This game is a breeze in 2009!

Lance, you just looked up a gazillion obsolete poker facts in seconds, you are really milking this too much work thing way too far.

[/QUOTE]I'd just hate to be forced to "stream pitchers" in order to keep up...or fall behind. You can stream a bit now...but it's easy to see who starts MON and TUE, and is covered in many articles each week. Adding the WED, THU and FRI pitchers really would add work.

Funny how you were the one who seemed to start the "TWICE" movement...yet your option wasn't even on the poll.

Maybe Greg's saving it for the next level of options.

[ May 05, 2009, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:21 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'd just hate to be forced to "stream pitchers" in order to keep up...or fall behind. You can stream a bit now...but it's easy to see who starts MON and TUE, and is covered in many articles each week. Adding the WED, THU pitchers really would add work.

Under the "one Friday move" expect 5 more pitcher starts per season. I wouldn't call that streaming pitchers.

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Funny how you were the one who seemed to start the "TWICE" movement...yet your option wasn't even on the poll.

Wasn't Dough's suggestion option #4?