The Blanton Ripoff

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:56 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

1. for the most part, i don't watch any games. i've seen all of 5 or 6 innings all year for all the mlb games.

This is really sad. [/QUOTE]why would this be 'sad'? [/QUOTE]I would never argue with you about devoting time to family- it’s the most important thing. My wife certainly gives me a hard time about the amount of time I devote to baseball. AND, most of us that play fantasy baseball were the same kids that woke up early on Sunday mornings to analyze the Sunday morning newspaper that listed all of the Stats for MLB. I love stats!

However- I LOVE watching baseball and do make many decisions with my eyes. For me, FBB is fun and is still about the enjoyment of the game and not the money. Although, I do like money more than statistics.

My 13 year old kid asked me, if I can have any superpower, what would it be? I told him that I would like to pull money out of my A**!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:03 am

Watching a game takes three hours. You might get one tidbit of useable info, but in most cases you won’t get any. In addition, I know the places to look to get most of those “live game tidbits”. I don’t get them all, but I get most of them.

Me “going through statistics” for three hours is so much more efficient and effective use of my time that it’s not even close.

[ May 18, 2009, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko II ]

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:05 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I watch baseball. Probably more than most reading this post. I watch baseball as much as possible (love the game). Unfortunately, I have to fit it in between my wife's episodes of America's Top Model, American Idol, Housewives of Whatever County, etc. and my son's love for Barney & Sesame Street......

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:13 am

just an fyi - i see blanton was picked up in one main event league this week, by none other than the person most voted "best fantasy baseball player in the world"...Shawn childs

Joe Blanton NFBC Las Vegas League 1 Saturday, March 21st CC's Desperados $7

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:41 am

For $7, that is why he is the best fantasy baseball player in the nfbc.

well done shawn.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:13 am

Blanton would be a lot more appealing to folks if his name was Bubba.

He looks like a Bubba.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:16 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

just an fyi - i see blanton was picked up in one main event league this week, by none other than the person most voted "best fantasy baseball player in the world"...Shawn childs

Joe Blanton NFBC Las Vegas League 1 Saturday, March 21st CC's Desperados $7 This is probably your best argument. You better quit while you are ahead. Edit -

[ May 18, 2009, 11:17 AM: Message edited by: The Mighty Men ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:39 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

This is probably your best argument. You better quit while you are ahead. Edit -

Shawn knows that you always double down on 11. the peripherals don't lie.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:51 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

This is probably your best argument. You better quit while you are ahead. Edit -

Shawn knows that you always double down on 11. the peripherals don't lie. [/QUOTE]Blanton is more like doubling down with 13 and the running count at about 9!

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:56 am

Originally posted by Dub:

Blanton is more like doubling down with 13 and the running count at about 9! wrong. sorry.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:15 am

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

This is probably your best argument. You better quit while you are ahead. Edit -

Shawn knows that you always double down on 11. the peripherals don't lie. [/QUOTE]Blanton is more like doubling down with 13 and the running count at about 9! [/QUOTE]Hillarious!! And so true. Awesome thread though. I'm thinking Joel Pineiro or Brian Bannister deserves one at least this long now.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:17 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

Hillarious!! And so true. Awesome thread though. I'm thinking Joel Pineiro or Brian Bannister deserves one at least this long now. i haven't looked at the stats, but their k rate probably rules them out. try again!

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:19 am

lol. a half a$$ pitcher is a half a$$ pitcher.

you've accomplished what you wanted though with this thread, so you have to be sated. no?

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:27 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

lol. a half a$$ pitcher is a half a$$ pitcher.

that is true, however blanton is a full a$$

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:29 am

lol. true that.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:49 am

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:

.... but as the season wears on, there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion. How deep is your bench? I only have 7

[/QUOTE]Dub. I was going to say something but you beat me to the punch. I respect Zola and like to read all the analysis he shows, but when I see something like, "there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion", I roll my eyes a bit. Maybe we need to list his career stats to quickly identify that a "normally-producing Blanton" is intolerable on most teams.

These arguments that are made I would not disagree with if we were talking about Nolasco. Why? Because atleast Nolasco has had a highly successful year as recent as last year, showing incredible K/9, K/BB, and giving up only a .239 BA, Blanton has not. So benching Nolasco waiting for a turnaround would be more prudent.

With Blanton, if he's a guy you draft thinking he's going make some sort of turnaround in the NL, fine. Then you have that right. But to keep him thinking he's going to turn it around after already "proving" that he is still the same disappointment (or worse) before, it's time to say bye bye. And it should have happened either the first or 2nd week of the season. 7 weeks later, I can't believe people are still hanging on. Like GLY said before, meanwhile you could have been running a bunch of 2-start pitchers out there maximizing your K's and wins.

I'm sure this topic has to REALLY be about Nolasco. Then I can understand the frustration.

This is no different than people thinking Ian Snell is worth holding onto. Similar situations in which they've never shown much but people are still praying for a miracle.

When comparing Blanton's K/BB ratio with top pitchers this year, somehow hits per innings pitched, homers allowed, or his career is omitted from the equation. Are we really assuming his current k/9 or K/bb will stick? Why is this?

Gekko, shouldn't you look at all the numbers instead of a leaving out important factors just to convince yourself to stay with "your guy". At some point this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[ May 18, 2009, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:51 am

This thread is longer than Blanton's autobiography.

[ May 18, 2009, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:59 am

Snell’s peripherals are nowhere close to Balnton’s. Please. I think some of you guys babble, just to babble. Go ahead and pick up Cahill and others like him.

On one side we have:

Shawn Childs & Gordon Gekko & Todd Zola

On the other side we have:

Crazy & Dub & others (with no track record other than talking out their a$$)

I know which side my money is on.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:06 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:

.... but as the season wears on, there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion. How deep is your bench? I only have 7

[/QUOTE]Dub. I was going to say something but you beat me to the punch. I respect Zola and like to read all the analysis he shows, but when I see something like, "there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion", I roll my eyes a bit. Maybe we need to list his career stats to quickly identify that a "normally-producing Blanton" is intolerable on most teams. [/QUOTE]Sorry, I missed the part where I said you insert him in your lineup and forget about him.

His career ERA and WHIP is 4.36/1.35. A team full of Blanton's gets you all of 3 points in ERA and 5 points in WHIP. This of course assumes he produces similar stats to his career norms in Philly, which further assumes as I have outlined that an increase in HR is countered by an increase in K.

But more importantly, I never suggested to build a staff with 9 Joe Blanton's.

All I am contending is come June/July/August, when injuries set in and the free agent ranks are thinned, Blanton will be a better option than those available if your strategy dictates using a starting pitcher and not a middle reliever. No more, no less.

Properly deployed, a 4.36/1.35 starter can add some value to a staff.

With respect to Nolasco, his hit rate is through the roof, being fueled by a huge LD%. Personally, I think it is a mistake to bench him. It is not like he is having control issues that I want to see corrected. He is just having some real bad luck. The only thing worse than having Nolasco's 7.8 ERA in your lineup until now would be having it, then having a 14 IP, 3 ER week on your reserve as well.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:09 am

Originally posted by ToddZ:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by ToddZ:

.... but as the season wears on, there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion. How deep is your bench? I only have 7

[/QUOTE]Dub. I was going to say something but you beat me to the punch. I respect Zola and like to read all the analysis he shows, but when I see something like, "there will be worse options that a normally-producing Blanton to run out there on occasion", I roll my eyes a bit. Maybe we need to list his career stats to quickly identify that a "normally-producing Blanton" is intolerable on most teams. [/QUOTE]Sorry, I missed the part where I said you insert him in your lineup and forget about him.

His career ERA and WHIP is 4.36/1.35. A team full of Blanton's gets you all of 3 points in ERA and 5 points in WHIP. This of course assumes he produces similar stats to his career norms in Philly, which further assumes as I have outlined that an increase in HR is countered by an increase in K.

But more importantly, I never suggested to build a staff with 9 Joe Blanton's.

All I am contending is come June/July/August, when injuries set in and the free agent ranks are thinned, Blanton will be a better option than those available if your strategy dictates using a starting pitcher and not a middle reliever. No more, no less.

Properly deployed, a 4.36/1.35 starter can add some value to a staff.

With respect to Nolasco, his hit rate is through the roof, being fueled by a huge LD%. Personally, I think it is a mistake to bench him. It is not like he is having control issues that I want to see corrected. He is just having some real bad luck. The only thing worse than having Nolasco's 7.8 ERA in your lineup until now would be having it, then having a 14 IP, 3 ER week on your reserve as well. [/QUOTE]Fair enough, and agreed regarding Nolasco.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:10 am

with respect to nolasco, is it entirely surprising? HUGE inning jump, coming off an injury, etc. if anyone screamed buyer beware(apart from any hitter on my offense apparently), it was nolasco.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:18 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko II:

Snell’s peripherals are nowhere close to Balnton’s. Please. I think some of you guys babble, just to babble. Go ahead and pick up Cahill and others like him.

On one side we have:

Shawn Childs & Gordon Gekko & Todd Zola

On the other side we have:

Crazy & Dub & others (with no track record other than talking out their a$$)

I know which side my money is on. One thing you won't see me do is "namedrop" in order to try and show superiority or gain acceptance from others. That is really lame but is consistent with the rest of your BS.

The funniest part about this Gekko, is that you are showing one of the bigger fantasy mistakes, you talk up your struggling player so much, you'll end up keeping him longer than you ever should. Right now you should be praying for year end stats of 4.50 e.r.a. and 1.40 whip out of Blanton. Good luck with your mistake pick and irrational thinking.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:20 am

Just got word Blanton's starting tonite at Pac Bell

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:21 am

Todd-

I didn't think you said that nine Blanton's was the way to go. I just pointed to the fact that it is usually hard to hold a guy like Blanton for spot starts- but your point about picking him up later out of need over some others is well taken.

Thanks

PS: please cheer me up about Kazmir- give me a stat I can hang my hat on and be hopeful. He has been dreadful.

PSS: Has anyone ever done a statistical study on pitching stats compared to which ump is calling the game. Some umps have a strike zone the size of a beebee and some the Grand Canyon.

Gordon Gekko II · Post by **Gordon Gekko II** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:25 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

One thing you won't see me do is "namedrop" in order to try and show superiority or gain acceptance from others. considering who you are, i don't blame you.