I am not authorized to post polls, so I will ask the NFBC via this post.
The majority of the NFBC are fanatics and I am very curious to hear your views about performance enhancing drugs. I think the majority of baseball fans in general are simply burned out reading and hearing about them non-stop, myself included. It's an issue that should either be rectified quickly and correctly OR accepted and moved on from. As it stands MLB is talking out of both sides of it's mouth. They (Selig, the player's union, and MLB owners) are not taking the drastic steps necessary to remove them from the game yet they claim to be 100% against them.
What about you, the NFBCer and assumed baseball fanatic? Do you care about PEDs in baseball? It would be cool to hear your opinion and why. I am not looking for a debate. Simply genuinely curious to see how you feel about this issue.
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IMO, this is the MONSTER that has been created by the sports industry today. it's all about the dollar. i hope we aren't naive enough to relate it to baseball only. it's in every sport being played. all atheletes are after an edge. it's been happening in the olympics for years. i didn't research the number for this thread, but there has been NUMEROUS athletes DQ'ed from olympic competition for PED's.
as for baseball, it's the generation. most people that go to the park could care less if a player is juicing. the ones that care are the ones that care about records or the HOF. some call them purist, i call them concerned. concerned for the future of the game as it should be played. concerned that it be on an equal playing field.
personally, i don't see an end to this problem in the near future. they can keep testing, but the producers are quicker than the testers.
if a kid can get to the bigs, in any sport, and juice for a couple years enough to sign a huge contract and set himself up for life...who's to blame him? i'm not condoning it, but i can see why a young athlete would do it.
as for baseball, it's the generation. most people that go to the park could care less if a player is juicing. the ones that care are the ones that care about records or the HOF. some call them purist, i call them concerned. concerned for the future of the game as it should be played. concerned that it be on an equal playing field.
personally, i don't see an end to this problem in the near future. they can keep testing, but the producers are quicker than the testers.
if a kid can get to the bigs, in any sport, and juice for a couple years enough to sign a huge contract and set himself up for life...who's to blame him? i'm not condoning it, but i can see why a young athlete would do it.
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It is a little more grey than most people think because, in some forms of logic, pain medications, vitamins, and personal trainers are are "performance enhancing". The difference to me is most of what an athelete does does not so much allow them to play above his nature abilities, rather it allows them to play up to there abilities. Juicing allows the atheletes to exceed rightful expectations at a high cost to their integrity (to me it is just like cheating at cards) and their bodies. It is especially the harm to the atheletes themselves that is the kicker to me.
In 1992, former NFL defensive lineman Lyle Alzado died a very ugly and public death from brain cancer. He blamed the disease on his longtime steroid abuse. Alzado, who played for the Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns, and L.A. Raiders during his career, was one of the NFL's premiere pass rushers and had embarked on a successful acting career before being diagnosed with the cancer. Before he passed away, Alzado admitted: "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
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In 1992, former NFL defensive lineman Lyle Alzado died a very ugly and public death from brain cancer. He blamed the disease on his longtime steroid abuse. Alzado, who played for the Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns, and L.A. Raiders during his career, was one of the NFL's premiere pass rushers and had embarked on a successful acting career before being diagnosed with the cancer. Before he passed away, Alzado admitted: "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
It is a little more grey than most people think because, in some forms of logic, pain medications, vitamins, and personal trainers are are "performance enhancing". The difference to me is most of what an athelete does does not so much allow them to play above his nature abilities, rather it allows them to play up to there abilities. Juicing allows the atheletes to exceed rightful expectations at a high cost to their integrity (to me it is just like cheating at cards) and their bodies. It is especially the harm to the atheletes themselves that is the kicker to me.
In 1992, former NFL defensive lineman Lyle Alzado died a very ugly and public death from brain cancer. He blamed the disease on his longtime steroid abuse. Alzado, who played for the Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns, and L.A. Raiders during his career, was one of the NFL's premiere pass rushers and had embarked on a successful acting career before being diagnosed with the cancer. Before he passed away, Alzado admitted: "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
Rest in Peace didn't get much better than lyle, jon matuzak, (univ of mars) otis sistrunk, jack tatum, lester hayes in RAIDER NATION in the old days. with long-haired kenny stabler flinging it to branch and bilitnekov (sp) and underhanding it to casper. not to mention phil villapiano. man, those guys were good and MEAN.
It is a little more grey than most people think because, in some forms of logic, pain medications, vitamins, and personal trainers are are "performance enhancing". The difference to me is most of what an athelete does does not so much allow them to play above his nature abilities, rather it allows them to play up to there abilities. Juicing allows the atheletes to exceed rightful expectations at a high cost to their integrity (to me it is just like cheating at cards) and their bodies. It is especially the harm to the atheletes themselves that is the kicker to me.
In 1992, former NFL defensive lineman Lyle Alzado died a very ugly and public death from brain cancer. He blamed the disease on his longtime steroid abuse. Alzado, who played for the Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns, and L.A. Raiders during his career, was one of the NFL's premiere pass rushers and had embarked on a successful acting career before being diagnosed with the cancer. Before he passed away, Alzado admitted: "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
Rest in Peace didn't get much better than lyle, jon matuzak, (univ of mars) otis sistrunk, jack tatum, lester hayes in RAIDER NATION in the old days. with long-haired kenny stabler flinging it to branch and bilitnekov (sp) and underhanding it to casper. not to mention phil villapiano. man, those guys were good and MEAN.
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